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The Part of Xehanorts Plan everyone seems to be ignoring

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So in order to forge the χblade 13 darknesses and 7 lights MUST clash. So forming 7 GoL doesn't automatically help Xehanort to succeed in his plan? What if they chose not to fight his plan would be preety much destroyed.

Some may say that he could use the 7 princesses but in order to forge the χblade they must clash(meaning to fight) which I highly doubt that the princesses will do... 

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Even if they're falling right into Xehanort's arms, they still need to fight and stop him. The risk is forging the X-blade and opening Kingdom Hearts, yes, but it's a risk they have to take. For these reasons:

No it's either he fights the 7 GoL OR he collects the Princesses like Maleficent did in KH1.

 

Peace!

  

Even if the Princesses wouldn't work for his plan for some reason, he's still threatening their lives. They have no choice but to confront him since it's not like they'll let them die.

 

Otherwise, he'll just recapture the 7 princesses. Even if they don't fight, he'd find some way to force them to do his bidding.

 

And honestly, everything should go according to his plan, only to have it shatter after his victory by the 7 guardians. It would be a fitting conclusion as this is the last time he's the main antagonist. Also, having the final fight in Kingdom Hearts would be cool.

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So in order to forge the χblade 13 darknesses and 7 lights MUST clash. So forming 7 GoL doesn't automatically help Xehanort to succeed in his plan? What if they chose not to fight his plan would be preety much destroyed.

Some may say that he could use the 7 princesses but in order to forge the χblade they must clash(meaning to fight) which I highly doubt that the princesses will do... 

Yen Sid explained that although the 7 Guardians could simply choose not to fight, Xehanort will still target the 7 princesses. To "clash" doesn't necessarily mean there has to be a mutual desire to destroy the other between the two parties, all the Seekers have to do is seek them out and attack them and that should be enough. Besides, being a Princess doesn't mean you're entirely pacifistic to anything that happens to you. Considering how they all banded together to hold back the powerful Darkness that Ansem unleashed in KH1, I think it's fair to say that whatever powers they have they will use them in order to defend themselves if necessary, depending on how far that power goes, and of course on their own personalities. Yeah, some like Alice or Snow White's first instincts might not be to fight back aggressively, but at the very least they could use whatever power they have to try and get away. Regardless though, my point is that simply attacking them might be enough to fulfill that requirement.

 

Consider Vanitas. While he and Ven did actually battle each other, it's not like they were both on their last legs in the end. One of them was already critically injured, Vanitas said himself that his own body was "about to perish". While that whole X-Blade forging was based on a re-fusion of two hearts, it still required a confrontation, a "clashing" of opposites, and in the end only one had to be "defeated". So the Princesses don't need to be on equal footing with the Seekers, nor do they even need to actively fight them either, the plan will still work if all the Seekers do is find them and "dispose" of them.

 

Besides, if anything, that's not the primary goal of the Seekers anyway. If they did start targeting the Princesses, it would mostly be to force the Guardians into action if they are actively resisting the call to fight them. It might not be exactly what Xehanort wants, but if it comes down to it he has a backup strategy that still works in his favor. Target the Princesses to either force the Guardians into confronting the Seekers the way he had envisioned, or simply use the Princesses as a suitable substitute for the 7 opposing lights he needs. It doesn't matter who wins or looses, as long as there is a confrontation to begin with, Xehanort would be successfully pursuing and achieving his goal. Though he'd probably find fighting the Guardians to feel a bit more fulfilling.

they could just fight the 13 Xehanorts but make someone sit out of the fight so it's only 6 vs. 13.

 

checkmate Xehanort

 

 

that would be suicide tbh :P

 

Again, what would stop him from simply targeting any of the Princesses to fill that quota? The matchup of 7 vs 13 is inevitable, especially since Xehanort literally has 14+ candidates to target, it's highly unlikely that any amount of inaction on the Guardians' part will do anything to disrupt his ridiculously flexible plans. :P

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that would be suicide tbh :P

idk 7 against 13 doesn't sound a whole lot better lol

 

Again, what would stop him from simply targeting any of the Princesses to fill that quota? The matchup of 7 vs 13 is inevitable, especially since Xehanort literally has 14+ candidates to target, it's highly unlikely that any amount of inaction on the Guardians' part will do anything to disrupt his ridiculously flexible plans. :P

i've got it!

 

Yen Sid puts the Princesses of Heart in one of his magic time bending portal or whatever they are, so that they get sent forward a week ahead. then one of the Lights can sit out of the big fight and is replaced with a couple dozen other worthy fighters that aren't guardians. 

 

Xehanort won't know what hit him. 

 

tbh i'm still not too sure on the relationship between the princesses of heart and the guardians of light. both can be used to forge the X-blade but can they be mixed and matched to fit the circumstances? surely Xehanort wouldn't fight the princesses because there's no way they'd be able to take down 13 Xehanorts. in BBS Ventus had to be toughed up before he was ready to forge the X-Blade so i would assume the same rules would apply here. would he just extract their hearts in a manner similar to what Maleficent did in KH1? except the Keyblade that formed from that was that Key to unlocking hearts so maybe not?

 

if they only used 6 guardians of light would Xehanort just steal one heart from a princess and that would work just as well? idek how that would be applied to the situation. when everyone clashes, would Xehanort just throw that one loose heart into the mix and then it'll work as intended? or if only 6 lights show up to fight will Xehanort throw up his hands and just go after the princesses like, "Look if you guys don't want to take this seriously then i'm just going to kidnap the princesses!"

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Well, basically, as everyone has mentioned above, Xehanort is offering a lose-lose predicament to the Guardians. Whether they choose to fight or not is of no consequence to him, because he can simply use the Princesses as his back-up! Granted, I'm sure he'd find a way to extract their hearts in order for the X-Blade to be forged! It's all a matter of the Guardians choosing to fight or not, but we all know they'll fight! :3

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idk 7 against 13 doesn't sound a whole lot better lol

 

i've got it!

 

Yen Sid puts the Princesses of Heart in one of his magic time bending portal or whatever they are, so that they get sent forward a week ahead. then one of the Lights can sit out of the big fight and is replaced with a couple dozen other worthy fighters that aren't guardians. 

 

Xehanort won't know what hit him. 

 

tbh i'm still not too sure on the relationship between the princesses of heart and the guardians of light. both can be used to forge the X-blade but can they be mixed and matched to fit the circumstances? surely Xehanort wouldn't fight the princesses because there's no way they'd be able to take down 13 Xehanorts. in BBS Ventus had to be toughed up before he was ready to forge the X-Blade so i would assume the same rules would apply here. would he just extract their hearts in a manner similar to what Maleficent did in KH1? except the Keyblade that formed from that was that Key to unlocking hearts so maybe not?

 

if they only used 6 guardians of light would Xehanort just steal one heart from a princess and that would work just as well? idek how that would be applied to the situation. when everyone clashes, would Xehanort just throw that one loose heart into the mix and then it'll work as intended? or if only 6 lights show up to fight will Xehanort throw up his hands and just go after the princesses like, "Look if you guys don't want to take this seriously then i'm just going to kidnap the princesses!"

You're overthinking the whole situation. :P

 

For one thing, how can you know when to send someone a week ahead? A week ahead of WHAT? Xehanort never gave a timetable for anyone, the battle is only going to start when he feels like it. There's no point in sending anyone ahead of time because he would just wait for their arrival to carry out his plan, and sending them back would only cause more problems.

 

And this is all assuming that Xehanort wouldn't have a backup strategy for any possible counter-strategy the good guys come up with. He was able to predict Yen Sid's initial plan for countering him, odds are he'd be ready for any new plan as well.

 

There's just no easy win with this guy, something like messing with the numbers isn't going to do anything when he can essentially find multiple ways to get the numbers back.

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You're overthinking the whole situation. :P

 

For one thing, how can you know when to send someone a week ahead? A week ahead of WHAT? Xehanort never gave a timetable for anyone, the battle is only going to start when he feels like it. There's no point in sending anyone ahead of time because he would just wait for their arrival to carry out his plan, and sending them back would only cause more problems.

 

And this is all assuming that Xehanort wouldn't have a backup strategy for any possible counter-strategy the good guys come up with. He was able to predict Yen Sid's initial plan for countering him, odds are he'd be ready for any new plan as well.

 

There's just no easy win with this guy, something like messing with the numbers isn't going to do anything when he can essentially find multiple ways to get the numbers back.

lol Xehanort is starting to sound like that kid on the playground who kept changing the rules to the game so he couldn't lose :P

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Yen Sid explained that although the 7 Guardians could simply choose not to fight, Xehanort will still target the 7 princesses. To "clash" doesn't necessarily mean there has to be a mutual desire to destroy the other between the two parties, all the Seekers have to do is seek them out and attack them and that should be enough. Besides, being a Princess doesn't mean you're entirely pacifistic to anything that happens to you. Considering how they all banded together to hold back the powerful Darkness that Ansem unleashed in KH1, I think it's fair to say that whatever powers they have they will use them in order to defend themselves if necessary, depending on how far that power goes, and of course on their own personalities. Yeah, some like Alice or Snow White's first instincts might not be to fight back aggressively, but at the very least they could use whatever power they have to try and get away. Regardless though, my point is that simply attacking them might be enough to fulfill that requirement.

 

Consider Vanitas. While he and Ven did actually battle each other, it's not like they were both on their last legs in the end. One of them was already critically injured, Vanitas said himself that his own body was "about to perish". While that whole X-Blade forging was based on a re-fusion of two hearts, it still required a confrontation, a "clashing" of opposites, and in the end only one had to be "defeated". So the Princesses don't need to be on equal footing with the Seekers, nor do they even need to actively fight them either, the plan will still work if all the Seekers do is find them and "dispose" of them.

 

Besides, if anything, that's not the primary goal of the Seekers anyway. If they did start targeting the Princesses, it would mostly be to force the Guardians into action if they are actively resisting the call to fight them. It might not be exactly what Xehanort wants, but if it comes down to it he has a backup strategy that still works in his favor. Target the Princesses to either force the Guardians into confronting the Seekers the way he had envisioned, or simply use the Princesses as a suitable substitute for the 7 opposing lights he needs. It doesn't matter who wins or looses, as long as there is a confrontation to begin with, Xehanort would be successfully pursuing and achieving his goal. Though he'd probably find fighting the Guardians to feel a bit more fulfilling.

 

 

 

Again, what would stop him from simply targeting any of the Princesses to fill that quota? The matchup of 7 vs 13 is inevitable, especially since Xehanort literally has 14+ candidates to target, it's highly unlikely that any amount of inaction on the Guardians' part will do anything to disrupt his ridiculously flexible plans. :P

Thanks that was the explanation I needed xD

 

So the 7 princesses will play a huge role in KH3 after all so its possible that all of their worlds will be included right?

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Thanks that was the explanation I needed xD

 

So the 7 princesses will play a huge role in KH3 after all so its possible that all of their worlds will be included right?

I wouldn't say that, they're mostly trying to focus on new worlds this time. They could still feature all the Princesses without having to feature all their worlds, as they did with KH1. 

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Why not gather 13 guardians of light or even more... Sure, they will not be all Keyblade Masters, but do you have to be a Keyblade Master to be a guardian of Light? Not all of the vessels of Xehanort are wielding a Keyblade... So why not asking Aladdin, Beast, Simba, Peter Pan, Leon, Cloud etc. etc. etc. for the big fight. They all owe Sora big time. Then it would be someting like 13 vs 50. Bye bye team Xehanort!

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Why not gather 13 guardians of light or even more... Sure, they will not be all Keyblade Masters, but do you have to be a Keyblade Master to be a guardian of Light? Not all of the vessels of Xehanort are wielding a Keyblade... So why not asking Aladdin, Beast, Simba, Peter Pan, Leon, Cloud etc. etc. etc. for the big fight. They all owe Sora big time. Then it would be someting like 13 vs 50. Bye bye team Xehanort!

Pretty likely. That is why they are training to be a Keyblade Master.

That is why Lea said that he will catch them in no time.

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But not being a GoL doesn't mean you are not able to fight.. I mean Donald and Goofy aren't most likely GoL but they will participate in the final fight. Imo everyone could participate in the final clash

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