Otti#8624 26 Posted February 10, 2020 Think about how they were all createdThey were stabbed with a keybladeSo was Sora when Namine and Roxas were created Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 Just like the Heartless. Weaker hearts and weaker minds tend to separate and form the weaker ones Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JPansullo7 16 Posted February 10, 2020 Their old hearts still need to be released from their heartless form by a keyblade for them to return as somebodies. I like to think their old hearts just merge with their grown hearts so they have the combined experiences of both forms. Roxas is definitely a special case because Sora retained his sense of self when Roxas was created Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otti#8624 26 Posted February 10, 2020 Marly, Larxene, Luxord and Demyx have keyblade legacy to themAll of them have a keyblade based around themThat's how they retained a human form Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 That's also true Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otti#8624 26 Posted February 10, 2020 They were stabbed with a keyblade Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 thats the new canoni was more referring to the old canonas reference Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 So maybe that's the case. If we're being fair, Sora didn't form much more than a Shadow as a Heartless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otti#8624 26 Posted February 10, 2020 But that's because Sora didn't have much darkness in himStronger the darkness, the stronger the heartless Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 i always took that as sora just being that nice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 That's the point though.I like this lore deal of the Keyblade stabbing causing them to retain physical bodies and not the hollow shells that are the weaker NobodiesBecause any of them could have had a similar Heartless situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 maybe, but the original idea was that a person with a significantly strong heart could keep their physical form as a nobody Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 Though we do have exceptions since Sora had more than one Heart in him at the time he released his own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 also we dont know how luxord became a nobody yetor demyx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Otti#8624 26 Posted February 10, 2020 Him and Demyx has a keyblade legacy to themSo they most likely got stabbed tooI hope Demyx is from VRI feel like it would fit him Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 i dont like the idea all of them became nobodies by getting stabbedit kinda ruins the idea that they were outcasts and more like that they were super special Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 Like tbh, I always wondered why Luxord and Demyx specifically had less KH traits than the others Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 yeah me too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 The problem is we have over half the original Organization being stabbed by Xehanort Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 yeah but thats because they were researching with him, and then he went crazy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 So with them and Sora accounted for that leaves the few members who either have Keyblade Legacy or implied LegacySafe to assume they had a similar situation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 see to me i hope they keep at least one of them ambiguous with how they died, whether it be by a heartless killing them or their world falling to darkness or something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vexoria 9 Posted February 10, 2020 Xehanort never went crazy as we have enough evidence to imply the whole scene at the opening of DDD was planned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Arthur13 51 Posted February 10, 2020 but he said he was ansem, he sounds pretty crazy to mebecause then he kinda just stabs himself in the chest Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites