Minato arisato 253 Posted February 12, 2016 This game torn to shreds in a Trilogy of Videos add&autoplay=1 add&autoplay=1 add&autoplay=1 3 AwesomeKHfan, Dio Brando and atheist123 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted February 12, 2016 I'm not even going to watch it, I've got better things to do than to focus on the small bad things of this masterpiece. 5 Karasu3, SRKTVAMDGRLXN, Sorarocks93 and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sorarocks93 678 Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) I'm not even going to watch it, I've got better things to do than to focus on the small bad things of this masterpiece. Just kidding of course Edited February 12, 2016 by Sorarocks93 3 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀), AwesomeKHfan and Minato arisato reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karasu3 135 Posted February 12, 2016 I still don't quite understand why people hate this game lol. I didn't even make it past the first video and most of his arguments could be made for any game/movie/show series 3 Sora96, SRKTVAMDGRLXN and Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AwesomeKHfan 1,250 Posted February 12, 2016 I'm not even going to watch it, I've got better things to do than to focus on the small bad things of this masterpiece. Good one :lol: 2 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) and atheist123 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minato arisato 253 Posted February 12, 2016 I still don't quite understand why people hate this game lol. I didn't even make it past the first video and most of his arguments could be made for any game/movie/show series Then what you've said is extremely faulty due to the fact it gets more contrived later on and i still don't understand the plot Can you explain to me, the exact plot? From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened The characters are lifeless as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sendou Aichi 2,356 Posted February 12, 2016 I still don't quite understand why people hate this game lol. I didn't even make it past the first video and most of his arguments could be made for any game/movie/show series You clearly missed the point of the "everything wrong with..." series. 2 AwesomeKHfan and Dio Brando reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AwesomeKHfan 1,250 Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) Then what you've said is extremely faulty due to the fact it gets more contrived later on and i still don't understand the plot Can you explain to me, the exact plot? From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened The characters are lifeless as well 2:50 untill 4:22 BUT serious here Explanation 30:44 untill 31:55 my explanation Edited February 12, 2016 by AwesomeKHfan 1 mag77 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted February 12, 2016 Then what you've said is extremely faulty due to the fact it gets more contrived later on and i still don't understand the plot Can you explain to me, the exact plot? From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened The characters are lifeless as well I lack the time, if I had time I would gladly explain it to you slowly. Off topic: I honestly thought I was going to have tons of people bashing my first post XDDD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AwesomeKHfan 1,250 Posted February 12, 2016 This entire game could just have been pre 2:50 untill 4:22 BUT serious here Explanation 30:44 untill 31:55 my explanation They could've just come out and said what they want! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karasu3 135 Posted February 12, 2016 Then what you've said is extremely faulty due to the fact it gets more contrived later on and i still don't understand the plotCan you explain to me, the exact plot? From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened The characters are lifeless as wellHow is my statement "faulty"? I specifically said that I had not made it past the first video. It would be faulty if I had said that every single argument he made throughout the entirety of the video series was off lol. Is the plot perfect? Absolutely not. In fact, the first time I played the game, I stopped halfway through for about six months before I picked it back up. I started to understand the story more after I played the game in it's entirety a few times. In a nutshell, it's pretty much just a group of kids who are chosen for a task, find out what that task really means, and then choose to either take it on or rebel against it. A basic plot. Does it have make sense all of the time? Not a chance. But I feel like that is due to some faulty explanation. For certain things, the story almost expects the viewer to know exactly what people are talking about. (L'cie, Fal'cie, the Maker, Ragnarok). Things that are touched on later in the game, but if you don't make it that far, then you are stuck not knowing what it is all about. That is a real issue with the game. I feel like there is an actual word for it but, I can't think of it and I digress.To explain the exact plot to you would be about the same as playing the game yourself, or looking it up on the internet. Furthermore, I did not specifically say that the plot was flawless in my previous comment, so I do not know where you got that impression. What I said was that the arguments made could have been made for any other form of entertainment, not just Final Fantasy XIII. "From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened." Can't that besaid for any story?And as for the characters being lifeless: Lightning, yeah I'll give you that. (Though, if my parents died, plus I thought my sister was dead, plus I realized I was nothing but a puppet for a god that wanted me to help destroy everything; I think I might just be a little lifeless myself).Is Hope lifeless? I wouldn't call him lifeless, but he's certainly a whiny character. Explain to me how Snow, Fang, Vanille, and Sazh are lifeless.All in all, my statement was aimed at no one in particular. I was not mad. I was not attempting to make anyone else mad. I was merely wondering why people hated Final Fantasy XIII so much. Also, because of the internet, I could not tell if you were trying to be legitimate or just arguing, but if you were just arguing, there was no need. Just like there is no need to completely bash a game just because you do not understand or like it.You clearly missed the point of the "everything wrong with..." series. Now that you point it out, I do see that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted February 12, 2016 How is my statement "faulty"? I specifically said that I had not made it past the first video. It would be faulty if I had said that every single argument he made throughout the entirety of the video series was off lol.Is the plot perfect? Absolutely not. In fact, the first time I played the game, I stopped halfway through for about six months before I picked it back up. I started to understand the story more after I played the game in it's entirety a few times. In a nutshell, it's pretty much just a group of kids who are chosen for a task, find out what that task really means, and then choose to either take it on or rebel against it. A basic plot. Does it have make sense all of the time? Not a chance. But I feel like that is due to some faulty explanation. For certain things, the story almost expects the viewer to know exactly what people are talking about. (L'cie, Fal'cie, the Maker, Ragnarok). Things that are touched on later in the game, but if you don't make it that far, then you are stuck not knowing what it is all about. That is a real issue with the game. I feel like there is an actual word for it but, I can't think of it and I digress.To explain the exact plot to you would be about the same as playing the game yourself, or looking it up on the internet. Furthermore, I did not specifically say that the plot was flawless in my previous comment, so I do not know where you got that impression. What I said was that the arguments made could have been made for any other form of entertainment, not just Final Fantasy XIII."From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened." Can't that besaid for any story?And as for the characters being lifeless: Lightning, yeah I'll give you that. (Though, if my parents died, plus I thought my sister was dead, plus I realized I was nothing but a puppet for a god that wanted me to help destroy everything; I think I might just be a little lifeless myself).Is Hope lifeless? I wouldn't call him lifeless, but he's certainly a whiny character. Explain to me how Snow, Fang, Vanille, and Sazh are lifeless.All in all, my statement was aimed at no one in particular. I was not mad. I was not attempting to make anyone else mad. I was merely wondering why people hated Final Fantasy XIII so much. Also, because of the internet, I could not tell if you were trying to be legitimate or just arguing, but if you were just arguing, there was no need. Just like there is no need to completely bash a game just because you do not understand or like it.Now that you point it out, I do see that. I don't know what other people did, but I read through the whole thing that explains the concepts, the society, the places, etc. Therefor, I had no problems with the story. Maybe this is why people find the plot to be misleading, because they don't read those things (I can't remember the name at the moment ) I agree with you, just wanted to make it clear Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karasu3 135 Posted February 12, 2016 I don't know what other people did, but I read through the whole thing that explains the concepts, the society, the places, etc. Therefor, I had no problems with the story. Maybe this is why people find the plot to be misleading, because they don't read those things (I can't remember the name at the moment ) I agree with you, just wanted to make it clear The "Datalog" I think? Haha and thanks. Whether or not you agreed, I appreciate that you took the time to read lol. 1 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalReckoning 1,135 Posted February 12, 2016 My favourite xiii game, wish people would focus more on the positives. 1 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Headphone Jack 1,147 Posted February 12, 2016 no one should take these things seriously. if anything they come off more like a lightning round of meh jokes. also has anyone done an Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy X video because there's a pretty big sin in that game. amiright guys Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ven983 490 Posted February 12, 2016 I really wish that at this point that they had not called this a Final Fantasy game, because you know if it were called anything else it would be loved. This game is a masterpiece but just because it wasn't exactly what people wanted from a next gen FF they choose to tear it apart at every turn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mag77 405 Posted February 12, 2016 Wait, I thought someone already posted these videos? Oh well FFXIII is certainly... interesting. Rather its a bad interesting or a good interesting, I'll let you decide. I really wish that at this point that they had not called this a Final Fantasy game, because you know if it were called anything else it would be loved. This game is a masterpiece but just because it wasn't exactly what people wanted from a next gen FF they choose to tear it apart at every turn. I actually have the opposite opinion. I feel like if this weren't a Final Fantasy game, it would be even more hated, and then eventually fade away into the realms of obscurity. Seriously, I feel like a lot of the fans are only fans of FFXIII because it is a FF game, and some people have such strong loyalties to the FF series that they will love any main FF game, even if it is really flawed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minato arisato 253 Posted February 12, 2016 (edited) no one should take these things seriously. if anything they come off more like a lightning round of meh jokes. also has anyone done an Everything Wrong With Final Fantasy X video because there's a pretty big sin in that game. amiright guys I don't take it seriously but it's not like it doesn't point out flaws and looks blatant whenever you see so many scenes of cringe that it's hard to believe anyone likes it, not to mention the plot falling apart due to looking at it at this perspective. How is my statement "faulty"? I specifically said that I had not made it past the first video. It would be faulty if I had said that every single argument he made throughout the entirety of the video series was off lol.Is the plot perfect? Absolutely not. In fact, the first time I played the game, I stopped halfway through for about six months before I picked it back up. I started to understand the story more after I played the game in it's entirety a few times. In a nutshell, it's pretty much just a group of kids who are chosen for a task, find out what that task really means, and then choose to either take it on or rebel against it. A basic plot. Does it have make sense all of the time? Not a chance. But I feel like that is due to some faulty explanation. For certain things, the story almost expects the viewer to know exactly what people are talking about. (L'cie, Fal'cie, the Maker, Ragnarok). Things that are touched on later in the game, but if you don't make it that far, then you are stuck not knowing what it is all about. That is a real issue with the game. I feel like there is an actual word for it but, I can't think of it and I digress.To explain the exact plot to you would be about the same as playing the game yourself, or looking it up on the internet. Furthermore, I did not specifically say that the plot was flawless in my previous comment, so I do not know where you got that impression. What I said was that the arguments made could have been made for any other form of entertainment, not just Final Fantasy XIII."From what the plot has shown they could've done nothing and the trilogy wouldn't have happened." Can't that besaid for any story?And as for the characters being lifeless: Lightning, yeah I'll give you that. (Though, if my parents died, plus I thought my sister was dead, plus I realized I was nothing but a puppet for a god that wanted me to help destroy everything; I think I might just be a little lifeless myself).Is Hope lifeless? I wouldn't call him lifeless, but he's certainly a whiny character. Explain to me how Snow, Fang, Vanille, and Sazh are lifeless.All in all, my statement was aimed at no one in particular. I was not mad. I was not attempting to make anyone else mad. I was merely wondering why people hated Final Fantasy XIII so much. Also, because of the internet, I could not tell if you were trying to be legitimate or just arguing, but if you were just arguing, there was no need. Just like there is no need to completely bash a game just because you do not understand or like it.Now that you point it out, I do see that. I meant they've seriously could have done nothing and the conflict of the plot would've been avoided, the priest dude seriously wanted them to kill him so Raganok could happen or whatever, instead they did it anyway for some contrived reason. Snow: The asshole who just charges recklessly and got hope's mother killed, who also doesn't change the way he does things, showing he hasn't learned a thing. Sazh: The comedy relief black dude that seriously just feels there, even the cast doesn't give a shit about him. Vanielle: Do i seriously have to explain on this character? She's annoying and at most she comes off as a ditzy tease. I don't know what other people did, but I read through the whole thing that explains the concepts, the society, the places, etc. Therefor, I had no problems with the story. Maybe this is why people find the plot to be misleading, because they don't read those things (I can't remember the name at the moment ) I agree with you, just wanted to make it clear The plot is misleading mostly due to the fact, it's not logical and doesn't care where it's going, if needed some one explaining that to me, is already bad enough and it executing it in a confusing manner for no reason. The characters act all confused, which leads to the player as well. Edited February 12, 2016 by Minato arisato 1 AwesomeKHfan reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karasu3 135 Posted February 13, 2016 I don't take it seriously but it's not like it doesn't point out flaws and looks blatant whenever you see so many scenes of cringe that it's hard to believe anyone likes it, not to mention the plot falling apart due to looking at it at this perspective. I meant they've seriously could have done nothing and the conflict of the plot would've been avoided, the priest dude seriously wanted them to kill him so Raganok could happen or whatever, instead they did it anyway for some contrived reason. Snow: The asshole who just charges recklessly and got hope's mother killed, who also doesn't change the way he does things, showing he hasn't learned a thing.Sazh: The comedy relief black dude that seriously just feels there, even the cast doesn't give a shit about him. Vanielle: Do i seriously have to explain on this character? She's annoying and at most she comes off as a ditzy tease. The plot is misleading mostly due to the fact, it's not logical and doesn't care where it's going, if needed some one explaining that to me, is already bad enough and it executing it in a confusing manner for no reason. The characters act all confused, which leads to the player as well.Fair enough, but I wouldn't call that lifeless. However, my whole point in this is that I don't think it is right to bash a game publically just because you don't enjoy it. Everyone has their own opinion. If someone doesn't like the game, that's totally fine, but don't go out bashing it to everyone and bashing others for liking it. (Again, not pointing specifically at you, just speaking in general). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora96 17,256 Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) Final Fantasy XIII was built on the foundations and ideas of VII and X. In other words: Best graphics, complex scenario, great soundtrack. It's also the same team. They achieved everything they wanted to with this game and more. Final Fantasy XIII received critical acclaim and has gone on to sell over 7.1 million copies before iOS & Android sales along with PS Now money. The sequels received further critical acclaim including a perfect score from Famitsu and sold millions. Please look forward to Motomu Toriyama's new project later this year. Edited February 13, 2016 by Sora96 3 WakelessDream, Karasu3 and Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mag77 405 Posted February 13, 2016 Fair enough, but I wouldn't call that lifeless. However, my whole point in this is that I don't think it is right to bash a game publically just because you don't enjoy it. Everyone has their own opinion. If someone doesn't like the game, that's totally fine, but don't go out bashing it to everyone and bashing others for liking it. (Again, not pointing specifically at you, just speaking in general). Actually, I think its a right we have to state our opinions on subjects, and that includes bashing games or other fictional media that we don't like (and that also includes fictional characters). Besides, I don't really think Minato was bashing FFXIII; they were just stating they don't like the game and find the characters boring and the plot confusing. Just because someone doesn't like (or even hates) something you like doesn't mean they're bashing it. I definitely agree with you though that it is never okay to bash people for having different opinions on that topic. Its fine to state how much you love or hate something, but don't treat others badly for having the opposite opinion. And yes, people who like something do bash those who hate or dislike it, its not just limited to haters doing it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
atheist123 583 Posted February 13, 2016 (edited) If anyone wants a more indepth look at everything wrong with FF13 this video is good too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOimFY_yjYo Edited February 13, 2016 by atheist123 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sora96 17,256 Posted February 13, 2016 If anyone wants a more indepth look at everything wrong with FF13 this video is good too:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOimFY_yjYo Masterpiece! 1 Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trece the Xam ( ▀ ͜͞ʖ▀) 3,859 Posted February 13, 2016 FFXIII has a very split fanbase You get people (like me) that say that the story is amazing, well explained, and the game allows you to check anything you don't understand. Furthermore, the characters are amazing! On the other hand, you get people saying the complete opposite. Nothing wrong with that though! It's just a matter of opinions here! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites