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    LeYenrz got a reaction from GoracW in "I want to change my username" & "I want to delete my account"   
    I'm posting here again even though it's been a while since I totally forgot about the last time I posted.
     
    I would still like to change my name to LeYenrz, please
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    LeYenrz reacted to Kotomi in So, Hayden Panettiere, or Alyson Stoner As Kairi in KHIII?   
    Unpopular opinion: I hated Hayden as Kairi in KH2 and as Xion in DDD. Not sure if it's voice direction or just her acting, but she sounds very forced and unnatural, using a weird whispery kind of voice. And it's also very clear she's acting into a microphone, as opposed to others who seemingly can put themselves into the moment.
     
    As for Alyson, I didn't mind her at all in 0.2 and I absolutely loved her as Xion in 358/2. One of the best performances in that game is the first interaction between Xion and Riku and she absolutely nails it, so I have zero worries that she'll do a bad job with either Xion or Kairi.
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    LeYenrz reacted to Merilly in Kingdom Hearts III opening song, "Face My Fears", coming January 18th, 2019, alongside "Don't Think Twice"; will feature Skrillex   
    His usual genres aren't exactly among my favorites, far from them actually, but I don't want to condemn it yet. The main reason is that he's not the only one working on it and in the end, he is not the one making the final decision. There must have been a reason why he was chosen, probably because he has experience with remixes and because he must have been considered suitable.
     
    This is not to say that he's the only one who could mess up since I don't like Chikai at all. I would rather prefer an orchestrated theme again too with no lyrics. But I still think it could be good in the end.
     
    Music taste is such a fickle thing but at least we have the reassurance that it will only be the theme song and there're still plenty of other scores to be enjoyed for sure.
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    LeYenrz reacted to Leamax in Kingdom Hearts III opening song, "Face My Fears", coming January 18th, 2019, alongside "Don't Think Twice"; will feature Skrillex   
    Square Enix and Disney have officially announced in a press release and on their social media that the opening theme song for Kingdom Hearts III will be a collaboration with Hikaru Utada and Skrillex will be produced by Poo Bear. The theme song, titled "Face My Fears", will be released on January 18th, 2019, almost a week ahead of the Kingdom Hearts III Japan release. In addition, "Don't Think Twice" will also be released on the same day.
     
    As reported a couple of days ago, "Face My Fears" will be the opening song while "Chikai"/"Don't Think Twice" will be the closing theme.
     
    Kingdom Hearts III will release for the PS4 and Xbox One on January 25th, 2019 in Japan and January 29th worldwide.
    What do you think of this collab? Do you think the collab with Hikaru and Skillrex will be a good fit for Kingdom Hearts III? Let us know in the comments below!
     
    Click here to view the article
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Zeldablade7#9650 in Too Much Information, Nomura...   
    I recall a quote from Nomura saying that there is plenty of secrets left and that there are still new worlds to be unveiled. So I wouldn't go saying that he's been spoiling us. Also we still know next to nothing about the story.
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    LeYenrz reacted to NightHawk221100 in The future of KH3, Progression and recession   
    I made this account to post 2 specific things I just think should be thrown out there during the hype and these final months of waiting:
     
    1. I have come to realize I will actually miss Halloween town if does not return for its third main title.. even if that means less new/original worlds. I just feel it is an essential part of the true childhood memory.. and a great contrast to the genuine (and loved) stereotypical Disney worlds, such as Winnie the Pooh, which I doubt they will exclude. But dont get me wrong, I am excited for ALL the new worlds equally, I am going complain I am just happy the story has progressed!
     
    2. I love the hype and Nomura is a true master mind.. but I swear in the OG Sleeping Beauty Maleficent's eyes are fully bright yellow and he totally should of taken that Norting opportunity to the full extreme. It would blow my mind and I would laugh so hard, but it could actually add to her overall purpose so I can seriously see him coming up with something that crazy. :lol:  All theories are good ones!
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    LeYenrz reacted to Chasm in Too Much Information, Nomura...   
    The game is going to be 40 plus hours. We have less than an hours worth of footage.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Tyranto Rex in Too Much Information, Nomura...   
    I recall a quote from Nomura saying that there is plenty of secrets left and that there are still new worlds to be unveiled. So I wouldn't go saying that he's been spoiling us. Also we still know next to nothing about the story.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Movies798 in Too Much Information, Nomura...   
    I recall a quote from Nomura saying that there is plenty of secrets left and that there are still new worlds to be unveiled. So I wouldn't go saying that he's been spoiling us. Also we still know next to nothing about the story.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Keith Harris in Too Much Information, Nomura...   
    I recall a quote from Nomura saying that there is plenty of secrets left and that there are still new worlds to be unveiled. So I wouldn't go saying that he's been spoiling us. Also we still know next to nothing about the story.
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    LeYenrz reacted to KiraNort in With all due respect Master Xehanort but...   
    It’s easier to just recycle characters instead of just making new ones for the last Xehanort saga.
     
    Probably the same reason why Lea is still in that stupid black coat that I’m really tired of seeing; too lazy to come up with a new design.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from DanartG in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from GoracW in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from LasirDM in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
  15. Like
    LeYenrz got a reaction from Doksap37 in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
  16. Like
    LeYenrz got a reaction from Kennethlip in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
  17. Like
    LeYenrz got a reaction from sllN2Jib in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
  18. Like
    LeYenrz got a reaction from FardahS in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    So the other day I came across this video from a gaming Youtuber I follow, DarkPixelGaming
     


     
    And it made me really think about the current direction of the Kingdom Hearts series. Is how things are right now okay? Is Kingdom Hearts as a series strong enough to have all of its appeal depend on the original characters and story alone? Is the current methodology and direction in the writing of the story and characters good enough to satisfy fans in the short and long term? Does Kingdom Hearts NEED the original draw of its premise: Disney and Final Fantasy?
     
    So here's the answer I came up with after reflecting over the history of the fandom as well as the actual objective quality of the writing in the series so far.
     
    So to answer DPG's original question: Kingdom Hearts doesn't NEED Final Fantasy, but it NEEDS a main gimmick in order to keep it alive. Despite the optimistic answer DarkPixelGaming gave at the end of his video, I believe, as well as many other's iIve discussed with, that the original story and characters are not written well enough to hold up the series on its own. KH is a series whose lifeblood is made of gimmicks. Its combat is and has always been experimental, its plot elements and characters are haphazardly pasted together, and the original draw of the series was its elements of Final Fantasy and Disney.
     
    However, nowadays, FF and Disney cameos are slapped in without much effort. The only main reason it's been able to stay alive at this point is due to fan investment and its aesthetic. Disney worlds and characters used to have a very significant role back in the first game, enough to be actively involved in the plot. But it is also true that following that game, Disney worlds have become side attractions, becoming second to the main original story with the game's original characters. (personally I feel that the series should reintegrate the story structure of the first game but maintaining its current status quo. a sort of hybrid) The same goes for Final Fantasy, although its presence in the series was weak from the start.
     
    Kingdom Hearts's original cast does have a pull and charm that has managed to engage its many fans. However it's a fact that most of the writing of the story is kind of done by the seat of its pants. Although Nomura did say once that he plans two games ahead when he writes out the story, Kingdom Hearts has been called out for being a convoluted mess, which is a direct result of the lack of thorough planning put into the writing of this series. I'm not saying that there is none to be had, but it is definitely not great.
     
    When placed under the magnifying glass, this series's story fails to have much substance and the draw of many of its characters is mostly based on concept alone and not execution. (eg. the writing in BBS and DDD is prime showcase of this). Many of the characters lack a distinct personality (I don't mean no personality at all) asides from cookie cutter friendship do-gooders, and most lack any character development whatsoever. The only ones I can recall that get at least one of those right are Roxas, Riku, Axel, and Xion. The first three are the only ones that get both down. (again this is all debatable depending on who you ask, but those 4 stand out the most) On the surface, they are very well designed and have the appeal to draw players in, but beneath that surface there is simply not enough to satisfy those who are looking for more depth. 
     
    You might read this and might totally disagree with me. And that's fine. BUT I encourage you to look back on the cutscenes on the previous games (if you have the time) and think to yourself: "are these actually interesting characters beyond their friendship?"
     
    A very good video that goes over the weaknesses of BBS's story can be found here: 

     
    So where am I going with all of this bashing of the series that I actually still love very much? Look at the current direction of the series: over the years, more and more focus has been put on the og story and cast. This is not inherently bad. But if you look at all of the flaws that I had pointed out earlier, the story and ocs are not strong enough in construction to be spearheading the appeal of Kingdom Hearts. This is especially problematic because as the franchise began to age, the fanbase aged along with it. Most KH fans are either in their late teens or twenties. Some in their thirties. As minds mature, they desire more substance to chew on. Of course, this is a cheesy JRPG series along with the rest of them, and some might not have high expectations for this series and that, compared to the writing of other JRPG series, this is actually above average the quality of some other games of the same genre. However, because Kingdom Hearts has become so focused on the story, it cannot stick to having its cake and eating it too. If a series is going to put heavy focus on the story, it must have substance. 
     
    I have to admit this at least: I am still very invested in the Xehanort saga and what will happen to the characters. This series has so much heart (heck it even involves the heart) and that earnest core of the series is what makes me love it to this day. Nostalgia goggles probably have something to do with it also, but there is something else that is at play here.
     
    There is a certain magic of KH's story as to how it's specifically constructed in just the right way for fans to be able to fill in its holes with their enthusiasm and still find a lot of fulfillment, no matter how mature the fan is. This is an observation, not a criticism; hell, even I do this. Technically, this can be done with any series, no matter how good or bad they are in quality. Despite what I said before, most of the characters have a lot of potential for development. They all have good character designs visually, the voice acting for each of them is solid, and what writing exists for each character is decent to pull anyone in. There is so much we do not know about organization 13 despite Days existing and there are characters that have the potential for an amazing character arc (Saix is a prime example). The concept is there. It's just that nothing is executed. 
     
    To quote a friend of mine: "It's almost the vagueness to it all that keeps us involved (I think) and loving the characters. bc we can see the potential, it's just not there yet"
     
    To me at least, Kingdom Hearts has become a sort of frankenstein of a series as the years have gone by. Its pieces are all haphazardly glued together by the convoluted story that is KH, but nonetheless it is still a lovable frankenstein at that. I don't know what it is, the aesthetic, the odd mishmash of gimmicks, etc. that make me love this series still despite all of its flaws in its writing and world construction. But I have to admit at this point, if no further development is put into its og cast, its direction as a series is going to fall apart as its roots in Disney and Final Fantasy wither away, which really seems to be where this series is going. 
     
    I've heard from many fans that the past few entries in the series have been trying their patience as the story has gone by, and have been very forgiving of its shortcomings, such as the mess that is DDD's story. This is directly the result of Nomura relying too much on the main story's self importance.  Yes, it is the main story, but the ignoring of its Disney and Final Fantasy ties is starting to make the series lose its momentum. 
     
    I am not asking that KH rebuild its tone and construction in Kingdom Hearts 3. It's too late to abandon ship with the focus on the og cast leading up to the end of the Xehanort saga, so for the time being, Disney and Final Fantasy isn't needed in Kingdom Hearts 3. But in the long run, beyond the Xehanort saga, it is absolutely critical that they be more integrated into the series instead of being treated as side attractions, or you risk series burnout with its original fans. 
     
    At this point I see two options:
     
    Keep the heavy emphasis the original story and characters but actually put in the effort for them to become more fleshed out. Disney continues to be fun side attractions for the story but has no main significance in the plot while Final Fantasy is phased out of the series entirely. 
     
    Or
     
    Kingdom Hearts goes back to its roots and starts fleshing out Disney worlds and characters' involvement in the plot and starts incorporating Final Fantasy characters and themes into its story. Og cast and characters can remain as they are.
     
    Either way, if the series continues as it is, I am regrettably sure that the series will lose my as well as other's investment in the series. I still love the series as it is despite being aware of all of its flaws. But I am invested in only a few of the characters, and that is not because the actual characters are actually any good... I've become attached to what the concept of those characters have become in my head, gradually pieced together over the course of many years. And it has caused a lot of dissonance when I go back to the source material and notice that in the actual games, there actually isn't much to these characters I care a lot for.  
    For some of you, that might be enough to keep you invested and involved in this series. But many other fans and I want more out of this series. For the chance for Kingdom Hearts to become something truly great and timeless. The potential and pieces are already there. It just needs a little more love and a lot of effort for it to happen.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Dagesh Lene in What's your favorite pair of best friends in Kingdom Hearts?   
    "I thought I was supposed to worry about you." - Roxas
     
    "Well for your information...I worry you about you all the time Roxas!" - Xion
     
    C'mon even if you don't ship these two, they're still really good to each other as friends!
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    LeYenrz reacted to Hero of Winds in High quality images from the latest Kingdom Hearts III trailers and character renders are released; Riku's new Keyblade revealed   
    It's not that people want it remain the same. But More So the fact the new one looks so plain I bet I could start my car with it.
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    LeYenrz reacted to Master Keeper in High quality images from the latest Kingdom Hearts III trailers and character renders are released; Riku's new Keyblade revealed   
    Wow, just when I thought that Master Riku couldn’t get a car key, unproved me wrong. How creative Nomura, is this the level of creativity that we have reached on keyblade designs? It looks like a Fenrir wannabe with car key decorations and it doesn’t even represent or reflect Riku’a personality whatsoever
     
    I hope we could at least switch to Soul Eater, because I won’t be able to bare such car keyblade with boring design
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    LeYenrz reacted to Hero of Winds in SORA SHOULD KNOW MARLUXIA BECAUSE HE GOT ROXAS MEMORIES!   
    Um...it doesn't exactly work that way. Roxas memories have nothing to do with whether or not Sora remembers Marluxia. Also not everything in the Journal or postgame content is canonical.
    Honestly, I don't think he gained memories, but rather Roxas' pain flowed through him as those memories went by.
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from Tyranto Rex in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    I'm fine with Final Fantasy taking a seat from the series. But it would be a real pity to see it completely disappear, as is what is probably close to what we will be seeing in KH3. If that were the case, this could be turning out to be a sort of bait and switch.
     
    As for what KH3 will do to improve the character writing...I would say it's a bit optimistic to say that everything will be fixed. One wouldn't expect a quality of a fanfiction to go from a C+ to an A in a fortnight. Of course we'll get resolutions which will put the overall story arc to a close which in itself will be quite satisfying. For now, I'm probably going to be satisfied with whatever KH3 gives me because my expectations are at what are appropriate for Kingdom Hearts. lol I really only care about seeing Roxas and Xion happy again  But it would be really wonderful for Kingdom Hearts to step it up a notch in its character writing. I'm not asking for it to become conventional in its methods of storytelling. I'm fine with it being abstract and arbitrary with its concepts, but as for the actual structure of the plot and characters they could really use a lot of reformation. 
     
    Also the fact that KH3 has so many character's stories to resolve is probably what will be the bane of its ambition. Resolution is priority, so we probably won't see much development. Rather just making sure that everyone is happy in the end and that the methodology behind the bringing of that ending is sound.
     
    Like-you know that feeling when you're carrying your groceries all fine and dandy and then it just gets all jumbled up in your arms. And then you open the door to your
    house and it just takes all of your effort to settle all of the groceries on the kitchen counter without dropping and destroying everything? That's sort of how I see it.
     
    But I'm definitely still hopeful for the future o/
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    LeYenrz got a reaction from The Transcendent Key in The Future Direction of the Kingdom Hearts Series   
    I'm fine with Final Fantasy taking a seat from the series. But it would be a real pity to see it completely disappear, as is what is probably close to what we will be seeing in KH3. If that were the case, this could be turning out to be a sort of bait and switch.
     
    As for what KH3 will do to improve the character writing...I would say it's a bit optimistic to say that everything will be fixed. One wouldn't expect a quality of a fanfiction to go from a C+ to an A in a fortnight. Of course we'll get resolutions which will put the overall story arc to a close which in itself will be quite satisfying. For now, I'm probably going to be satisfied with whatever KH3 gives me because my expectations are at what are appropriate for Kingdom Hearts. lol I really only care about seeing Roxas and Xion happy again  But it would be really wonderful for Kingdom Hearts to step it up a notch in its character writing. I'm not asking for it to become conventional in its methods of storytelling. I'm fine with it being abstract and arbitrary with its concepts, but as for the actual structure of the plot and characters they could really use a lot of reformation. 
     
    Also the fact that KH3 has so many character's stories to resolve is probably what will be the bane of its ambition. Resolution is priority, so we probably won't see much development. Rather just making sure that everyone is happy in the end and that the methodology behind the bringing of that ending is sound.
     
    Like-you know that feeling when you're carrying your groceries all fine and dandy and then it just gets all jumbled up in your arms. And then you open the door to your
    house and it just takes all of your effort to settle all of the groceries on the kitchen counter without dropping and destroying everything? That's sort of how I see it.
     
    But I'm definitely still hopeful for the future o/
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