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Well thank you both for the clarifications. I had this in mind of a while, and as KHIII was announced, I thought getting it out would be a better thing to do. In general, when I finished playing DDD and Organization XIII were restored to their original selves, nothing made sense to me. But I can simply see now that Sora and Xehanort had an interaction with another character in themselves that changed the way someone is caught in darkness. For Kairi, I didn't think about the fact that she was a princess of light and that she didn't generate a heartless. Very cool. With DDD, I just thought there were no logical links towards how we can just call some "unique cases" and some "normal". To me, it was either you're a nobody or... something else. I have given to both of you the credit of information on my original post!

Ok, I will admit that I was wrong about what was damaged in Ventus. This is clarified. Allow me to explain why I brought up these arguments : What I believed foremost to what happened in KH1 for Ventus' heart is that upon being released, the heart would of formed a body by itself. I believed this because of how the core of memories shapes people. But it makes sense what you're saying : Ventus' heart could of just went into the abyss of darkness. All the other hearts that were released in KH1 already had a body that existed, and so the hearts knew where to go to be restored. Xion's creation had mixed conceptions over the creation of someone based off purely memories. From what a heart is, a heart contains memories. It didn't make sense to me that Ventus would be a nobody that was never meant to be when there was some kind of fragments left about him to awaken his image in Roxas. Even if the true Ventus is dormant, it was confusing to see that even though he remembers NOTHING about his true past, how come his image would be awaken if he was dormant afterall? Shouldn't of he just awaken as another image? About Xemnas ability to wield a Keyblade, I was never aware of it as it was never mentionned in the games anyway... Why wasn't it? For that last point, it's a good reminder from the games of the people around Namine mentionning how much she represents what a Nobody is. I just still feel like theres something... off about this. I can understand why you're saying that, however, I'm the kind of person who overthinks and tries to see what's controversial about the games. I have paid attention to the games. I will admit is has been long since I have played them since the very first one, but I tried to remember as much as I could from this theory I had too a long time ago. I finally decided to share my thoughts about this.

That is not the correct time that I'm mentionning. I am speaking of the end of BBS, AFTER the fight against Vanitas. This is not at all the time of Ventus' life that I'm speaking of. The only link you can make with this is with my coicidental remark I have made in my original post, point 5. Ventus' body WAS damaged after that fight, not the heart.

Yes, the Apprentice Xehanort is the direct result of Xehanort merging into Terra, that's correct. However, if we wants to state that Ansem and Xemnas look the same (although I can agree that they share some of Terra's traits) , there's still controversial details behind all of this like I mentionned orignally : 2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing. Or you know, vice-versa.

What you post from Nomura's words is his explanations towards how Sora and Roxas are connected. For Ventus, there is a difference between a heart and a body. His body WAS the thing that was damaged. Ventus' heart was released from his own body after the fight against Vanitas, where he decided to reside somewhere else in for protection. His heart is clearly still able to act on it's own will. In KH1, once Sora has released himself with the magic of Riku's (heartless form) keyblade, the chemistry that happened is like you said : Ventus took a new body, Sora's, but still kept his original image. It is possible that when a chemistry like this happens, the result becomes a new kind of person. Look at Namine, she's nothing like Kairi.

Also, for your first point, how come Roxas just HAS Ventus' image? Was it a luck based event that happened? There must be something that forced Roxas to have Ventus' image, which must mean Ventus HAS been released.

But the answers that Nomura gave didn't state anything about Roxas being a nobody or not? He answered towards how Roxas was able to act the way he did. There is still the missing logical link about how some nobodies look different from others! And I seriously cannot believe that Ansem and Xemnas come from either Xehanort or Terra's appearances as they look nothing alike. How can we explain that Ventus' heart wasn't released after the incident of KH1?

Then how does it? Although I agree with your new theory, I still don't think he is his nobody. Just like Kairi, for instance, her heart was released to her in KH1 and this should be considered the same with Ventus, his heart was released and invoked with a new body with no memories of his true past.

All of these answers also make sense. However, my point is to say that, from the perspective of the people who lived with Roxas, they AREN'T aware of the incident that happened with Ventus. My theory is that, while Ventus was "Roxas", he was accidently confounded confounded for a nobody due to what the people in his life were aware of! They weren't aware of Ventus being in Sora's body and his release of the sort! @hatok But this is where exactly is doesn't make sense! Those "special cirmustances" are generated by the believes of the characters who didn't live in Ventus' time! There must be a logical order to how someone's heart is released and to how a nobody is created!

@Kaweebo I completely agree on you with that one, that makes sense!

@hatok I don't understand what you mean by how Xemnas looks like Terra nor how Ansem looks like Xehanort... Why would their be special exceptions? If the games have shown us directly how a nobody looked different from its owner just like Sora and Ventus were, wouldn't this mean that Kairi and Xehanorth have both accepted people that were expulsed from their boddies as well? There must be a logical link in all of this, especially after the presentation in KHBBS.

I have recently sent to "TheGamersJoint" a message offering this theory, and here it is : Hey Cynic, I've been watching your videos for just a few days ever since KHIII's trailer came out, and you actually caught my attention with how dedicated you are to share information about the franchise. For a while, I've been thinking of something that maybe not many of thought of it this way, but hear me out. I believe that calling Roxas as Sora's nobody is a grave mistake, and this could mean many things for the future of the franchise. To start things off, I have watched your video concerning the famous question "Why does Ventus look like Roxas?", as you clarified it with the events linked with KH1 and KHBBS. However, there is still a concern with, like you said in that video, saying that Roxas IS Sora's nobody. I believe it isn't the case. Let's start with obvious basics of what has been thought to Sora : When someone gives in their heart to the world, a heartless and nobody is born from that person. An example of this is Xehanorth with Ansem and Xemnas. But let's notice something : they have nothing in common in physical appearances. We can say the same for Naminé and Kairi ; originally thought to be linked. But, it's interesting ever since KHDDD where, at the end of the game, most of Organization XIII members, after awaking from their slumber and being "restored" to people, they look the same? This nobody theory seems controversial to me. From KHBBS' information, it has been shown that Ventus has been accepted in Sora's heart to dorm in while his body sleeps after his battle against Vanitas. Like in your video where you talk about this topic, I believe it is correct to say that Ventus was released in KH1 where Sora "sacrifices" himself for everyone he held in his own heart. However, this is the key part to understand WHO we see as "Roxas" appears into Twilight Town for the first time. He appears infront of Twilight Town's mansion, speechless. Shortly, Xemnas appears out of the blue to adress "Roxas". As he introduces him to his identity, I sincerely believe that Xemnas had Xehanorth's point of view over the situation. He saw this as a new chance to take this as a vessel of darkness. Let's call, "Roxas", Ventus, as I'm positive it is actually him. Ventus then gets renamed ROXAS, a code name for SORA. It is even further obvious to me that the boy we see is Ventus with vacant memories of his true past, because of the following reasons. 1: Xion's creation. She was made out of memories purely, just like a heart is in the world of Kingdom Hearts. The distinction from both is that Xion was modelled from Sora while Ventus had a share of his own core with Sora's, which permitted him to even exist again. 2: The controversial point I stated earlier in KHDDD, where Organization XIII reborns as their identical selves physically, is noticeable with Sora and Ventus : Ventus returns to Sora without Sora changing. 3: It has been mentionned in multiple games (KH2, KH358/2 Days for example) that it's surprising to see a Keyblade wielder as a Nobody. If no other Nobody has ever been able to wield a keyblade, shouldn't this be a notice that Ventus isn't a representation of a true Nobody? Doesn't a Keyblade choose a master to reflects a sense of purity inside of themselves, like Sora shows in KH1 VS Riku? 4: If Nobodies truly cannot feel, why is it that Ventus could feel remorse for the people he loses, like Xion? 5: Isn't a coincidence that Ventus starts again a life exactly the way he was found by Xehanorth in KHBBS, how he had NO clue of who he even was? These things have been connecting in my mind for a long time. Make this into a video of what you think. Because, the point of all of this, is : If it only was Ventus, we have not truly seen who Sora's nobody is. If this is correct, KH3 might reveal the true secret behind the creation of nobodies. EDIT : Chucky the Wise And Flaming Lea Were both VERY helpful people to answer questions, check them out!