Things that don't make sense

[itsroxas 1]

I really love Kingdom hearts, i really do but lately like with people posting in forums and other places about the whole nomura making stuff up as he goes along just for some reason bothers me to no end. And every single day my mind is about KH and i simply analyse everything about the series like there's not a day KH is not in my mind and over time get burned out , i try to occupy with other things but never works. Now the whole making stuff up annoys me for some reason cause i think of the whole : 

 

1. Why didn't this character mention this character? 

 

2. Is Castle Oblivion really Land of Departure? Like was it an idea at that time during Chain Of Memories?

 

3. Why no one mention Xion during KH2? (people say she is a plot device because she was made after KH2 and used the "everyone will forget you" to make it seem she was never there)  

 

4. Why doesn't Donald and Goofy not remember Ventus or why were they shocked that this was Yensid's tower in KH2 when they were there in BBS? (I think Nomura said because it was renovated but it looks exactly the same)

 

5. Why does Lea have a Keyblade out of nowhere now?

 

6. Was Time Travel ever Foreshadowed before?

 

7. Donald and Goofy saying Mickey banished Pete, but it was actually Minnie? (maybe they heard wrong?)

 

8. People theories that Ava is Kairi's grandma but that wasn't an idea in KH1? ( I know it was suppose to be a standalone game but still feels weird and besides the war happened years before so she couldn't alive)

 

9. Like did Aqua REALLY meet Mickey in the ROD? I know its shown he did in 0.2 footage but the reason why he did not come back with her in the Realm of Light will have to now sorta connect with other games as to why she is never mentioned ever but then people get mad why mickey didn't save her when it wasn't written that mickey of even knowing of "Aqua".

 

10. Then other things were the scene where Xigbar talks to Zexion about the chamber of waking was never in the original games and people say it feels weird and fake.

 

11. Roxas is Sora's Nobody but he doesn't look like Sora at all. In an Interview that i read Nomura said that at the end of the KH2 with the secret movie he didn't draw the characters or their names yet, so how can Roxas look like Ven when Ven wasn't even an idea or drawn yet and Roxas was already planned to look like he always did without Ven?

 

12. Even with Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura said he didn't draw those characters yet at the end of the KH2 secret movie, and BBS was made after KH2, so does that mean he had to draw/made a character out of the blue with Brown Hair(Terra) to match up the white haired Apprentice Xehanort?

 

14. Since BBS is after the other games, did they make Terra make Riku promise never to say anything to make sure that it ligns up with him never mentioning him or what influenced him to see outside worlds? People will say he was too young to remember but in DDD when Riku is talking with ansem , Riku briefly mentions that promise. 

 

I don't want in KH3 to suddenly have these ideas just thrown in maybe like "OMG Terra,Aqua,Ventus are the foretellers" or like " Oh Twlilight town was Actually Daybreak town"

 

And these videos kinda also made me wonder what is even happening anymore : 

 

 

 

Like when you think of the story from Unchained to now everything does make sense and connects in a way just the whole "when did this become an idea" and then you start feeling like some things are fake and made up and since im a big fan it bothers me and it makes me feel like a fake fan. I don't think this even makes sense or even looking into this too much   I'm really sorry if this doesn't make sense cause it most likely doesn't.

 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Roxas_58644

[Felixx 6,646]

Don't really understand why you feel like a fake fan. I mean it's true that Nomura wrote the story as he went along, and therefore some retcons were created. But that doesn't make you or anyone a fake fan

 

Anyway here some answers to your questions:

 

2. Probably not. BBS was made YEARS after CoM.

 

3. Simply because no one remembers her. No one.

 

4. Retcon. And Nomura logic.

 

5. Wasn't out nowhere. He asked Yen Sid to help him train, and Merlin and the 3 fairies changed the flow of time so Lea had more than enough time to obtain a Keyblade.

 

6. Not really.

 

7. In the Japanese they only say "Majesty" I think, without mentioning any gender.

 

9. Aqua wasn't mentioned before because she didn't "exist" before. I mean her character wasn't even an idea in KH1 or KH2.

 

11. Not quite sure, but I assume the original reason behind Roxas not looking like Sora was for Roxas to be an own person. And it would've been weird if he loked like Sora, since both existed at the same time.

 

Not sure about the rest.

[WakelessDream 2,286]

Seems you've answered most of your own questions so I won't go into them line by line, plus I'm sure some others here can get into them in more detail than I could. 

 

On the Nomura making stuff up as he goes, well he does this is fact, that's why things established earlier in the story end up contradicting each other in later titles. He did foreshadow/hint some things, as you mentioned time travel, but some others he really did just make up on the fly.

 

However all this shouldn't make you feel bad, like a 'fake fan' as you say. You enjoy Kingdom Hearts and at the end of the day that's what makes you a true fan. Nomura may make stuff up as he goes and it might be annoying but that doesn't change the fact that you're a fan of the series.  

[The 13th Kenpachi 4,279]

I really love Kingdom hearts, i really do but lately like with people posting in forums and other places about the whole nomura making stuff up as he goes along just for some reason bothers me to no end. And every single day my mind is about KH and i simply analyse everything about the series like there's not a day KH is not in my mind and over time get burned out , i try to occupy with other things but never works. Now the whole making stuff up annoys me for some reason cause i think of the whole : 

 

1. Why didn't this character mention this character? 

 

2. Is Castle Oblivion really Land of Departure? Like was it an idea at that time during Chain Of Memories?

 

3. Why no one mention Xion during KH2? (people say she is a plot device because she was made after KH2 and used the "everyone will forget you" to make it seem she was never there)  

 

4. Why doesn't Donald and Goofy not remember Ventus or why were they shocked that this was Yensid's tower in KH2 when they were there in BBS? (I think Nomura said because it was renovated but it looks exactly the same)

 

5. Why does Lea have a Keyblade out of nowhere now?

 

6. Was Time Travel ever Foreshadowed before?

 

7. Donald and Goofy saying Mickey banished Pete, but it was actually Minnie? (maybe they heard wrong?)

 

8. People theories that Ava is Kairi's grandma but that wasn't an idea in KH1? ( I know it was suppose to be a standalone game but still feels weird and besides the war happened years before so she couldn't alive)

 

9. Like did Aqua REALLY meet Mickey in the ROD? I know its shown he did in 0.2 footage but the reason why he did not come back with her in the Realm of Light will have to now sorta connect with other games as to why she is never mentioned ever but then people get mad why mickey didn't save her when it wasn't written that mickey of even knowing of "Aqua".

 

10. Then other things were the scene where Xigbar talks to Zexion about the chamber of waking was never in the original games and people say it feels weird and fake.

 

11. Roxas is Sora's Nobody but he doesn't look like Sora at all. In an Interview that i read Nomura said that at the end of the KH2 with the secret movie he didn't draw the characters or their names yet, so how can Roxas look like Ven when Ven wasn't even an idea or drawn yet and Roxas was already planned to look like he always did without Ven?

 

12. Even with Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura said he didn't draw those characters yet at the end of the KH2 secret movie, and BBS was made after KH2, so does that mean he had to draw/made a character out of the blue with Brown Hair(Terra) to match up the white haired Apprentice Xehanort?

 

14. Since BBS is after the other games, did they make Terra make Riku promise never to say anything to make sure that it ligns up with him never mentioning him or what influenced him to see outside worlds? People will say he was too young to remember but in DDD when Riku is talking with ansem , Riku briefly mentions that promise. 

 

I don't want in KH3 to suddenly have these ideas just thrown in maybe like "OMG Terra,Aqua,Ventus are the foretellers" or like " Oh Twlilight town was Actually Daybreak town"

 

And these videos kinda also made me wonder what is even happening anymore : 

 

 

 

Like when you think of the story from Unchained to now everything does make sense and connects in a way just the whole "when did this become an idea" and then you start feeling like some things are fake and made up and since im a big fan it bothers me and it makes me feel like a fake fan. I don't think this even makes sense or even looking into this too much   I'm really sorry if this doesn't make sense cause it most likely doesn't.

You aren't a fake fan, you are just insightful enough to see all of the flaws. 

 

Do what makes you happy, yes the story is far from perfect but it's pretty damn unique and interesting in it's own way. You can choose to overlook all the flaws and still love it, or you can accept the flaws and still love it. 

 

Do the flaws hinder your enjoyment of the franchise? Do they change your emotions towards hearing an OST from it or watching an emotional scene from it? If not, then the game has accomplished all it needs to.

[VisitJoan 2,713]

#3 - When Xion returned to Sora, all the memories of her returned to Sora as well. No one remembers her because their memories have been taken.

[Kingdomhe 1,362]

I really love Kingdom hearts, i really do but lately like with people posting in forums and other places about the whole nomura making stuff up as he goes along just for some reason bothers me to no end. And every single day my mind is about KH and i simply analyse everything about the series like there's not a day KH is not in my mind and over time get burned out , i try to occupy with other things but never works. Now the whole making stuff up annoys me for some reason cause i think of the whole : 

 

1. Why didn't this character mention this character? 

 

2. Is Castle Oblivion really Land of Departure? Like was it an idea at that time during Chain Of Memories?

 

3. Why no one mention Xion during KH2? (people say she is a plot device because she was made after KH2 and used the "everyone will forget you" to make it seem she was never there)  

 

4. Why doesn't Donald and Goofy not remember Ventus or why were they shocked that this was Yensid's tower in KH2 when they were there in BBS? (I think Nomura said because it was renovated but it looks exactly the same)

 

5. Why does Lea have a Keyblade out of nowhere now?

 

6. Was Time Travel ever Foreshadowed before?

 

7. Donald and Goofy saying Mickey banished Pete, but it was actually Minnie? (maybe they heard wrong?)

 

8. People theories that Ava is Kairi's grandma but that wasn't an idea in KH1? ( I know it was suppose to be a standalone game but still feels weird and besides the war happened years before so she couldn't alive)

 

9. Like did Aqua REALLY meet Mickey in the ROD? I know its shown he did in 0.2 footage but the reason why he did not come back with her in the Realm of Light will have to now sorta connect with other games as to why she is never mentioned ever but then people get mad why mickey didn't save her when it wasn't written that mickey of even knowing of "Aqua".

 

10. Then other things were the scene where Xigbar talks to Zexion about the chamber of waking was never in the original games and people say it feels weird and fake.

 

11. Roxas is Sora's Nobody but he doesn't look like Sora at all. In an Interview that i read Nomura said that at the end of the KH2 with the secret movie he didn't draw the characters or their names yet, so how can Roxas look like Ven when Ven wasn't even an idea or drawn yet and Roxas was already planned to look like he always did without Ven?

 

12. Even with Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura said he didn't draw those characters yet at the end of the KH2 secret movie, and BBS was made after KH2, so does that mean he had to draw/made a character out of the blue with Brown Hair(Terra) to match up the white haired Apprentice Xehanort?

 

14. Since BBS is after the other games, did they make Terra make Riku promise never to say anything to make sure that it ligns up with him never mentioning him or what influenced him to see outside worlds? People will say he was too young to remember but in DDD when Riku is talking with ansem , Riku briefly mentions that promise. 

 

I don't want in KH3 to suddenly have these ideas just thrown in maybe like "OMG Terra,Aqua,Ventus are the foretellers" or like " Oh Twlilight town was Actually Daybreak town"

 

And these videos kinda also made me wonder what is even happening anymore : 

 

 

 

Like when you think of the story from Unchained to now everything does make sense and connects in a way just the whole "when did this become an idea" and then you start feeling like some things are fake and made up and since im a big fan it bothers me and it makes me feel like a fake fan. I don't think this even makes sense or even looking into this too much   I'm really sorry if this doesn't make sense cause it most likely doesn't.

2. C.O. was a very mysterious place in CoM and I and most likely a lot of people wanted to know where it came from or how it was made. So they probably made it that way so they could make an origin of it later.

 

3. No one remembers her, it's as simple as that. But the secret boss in KHFM was how Xemnas got the data to make Xion. 

 

4. plot hole, but you could put it on the fact that it's been over 10 years without seeing the kid and when they did meet it was very brief. As for the tower you could say that Namine had and slight error.

 

5. That has to do with the basics of getting a keyblade but FlamingLea could explain it better. so it wasn't really made up.

 

6. technically in KHFM and BBS

 

8. Keyblade masters can potentially live forever if they have a vessel to put there heart in, so it isn't far fetched.

 

9. it was theorized that he had met with Aqua because of the secret ending of BBSFM 

 

10. I've never heard of people saying nor would I know why people would feel that way.

 

11. I think he meant the rest of Ven's look, like from the head down since they might have known that Ven was destined to look like Roxas.

 

14. Riku always wanted to see outside worlds before he even met Terra.

[IAMME 158]

I really love Kingdom hearts, i really do but lately like with people posting in forums and other places about the whole nomura making stuff up as he goes along just for some reason bothers me to no end. And every single day my mind is about KH and i simply analyse everything about the series like there's not a day KH is not in my mind and over time get burned out , i try to occupy with other things but never works. Now the whole making stuff up annoys me for some reason cause i think of the whole : 

 

1. Why didn't this character mention this character? 

 

2. Is Castle Oblivion really Land of Departure? Like was it an idea at that time during Chain Of Memories?

 

3. Why no one mention Xion during KH2? (people say she is a plot device because she was made after KH2 and used the "everyone will forget you" to make it seem she was never there)  

 

4. Why doesn't Donald and Goofy not remember Ventus or why were they shocked that this was Yensid's tower in KH2 when they were there in BBS? (I think Nomura said because it was renovated but it looks exactly the same)

 

5. Why does Lea have a Keyblade out of nowhere now?

 

6. Was Time Travel ever Foreshadowed before?

 

7. Donald and Goofy saying Mickey banished Pete, but it was actually Minnie? (maybe they heard wrong?)

 

8. People theories that Ava is Kairi's grandma but that wasn't an idea in KH1? ( I know it was suppose to be a standalone game but still feels weird and besides the war happened years before so she couldn't alive)

 

9. Like did Aqua REALLY meet Mickey in the ROD? I know its shown he did in 0.2 footage but the reason why he did not come back with her in the Realm of Light will have to now sorta connect with other games as to why she is never mentioned ever but then people get mad why mickey didn't save her when it wasn't written that mickey of even knowing of "Aqua".

 

10. Then other things were the scene where Xigbar talks to Zexion about the chamber of waking was never in the original games and people say it feels weird and fake.

 

11. Roxas is Sora's Nobody but he doesn't look like Sora at all. In an Interview that i read Nomura said that at the end of the KH2 with the secret movie he didn't draw the characters or their names yet, so how can Roxas look like Ven when Ven wasn't even an idea or drawn yet and Roxas was already planned to look like he always did without Ven?

 

12. Even with Apprentice Xehanort, Nomura said he didn't draw those characters yet at the end of the KH2 secret movie, and BBS was made after KH2, so does that mean he had to draw/made a character out of the blue with Brown Hair(Terra) to match up the white haired Apprentice Xehanort?

 

14. Since BBS is after the other games, did they make Terra make Riku promise never to say anything to make sure that it ligns up with him never mentioning him or what influenced him to see outside worlds? People will say he was too young to remember but in DDD when Riku is talking with ansem , Riku briefly mentions that promise. 

 

2. Aqua turned Land of Departure into CO because I think she wanted Ventus to stay hidden.

5.  He went to the tower to learn how to wield one

11.  In BBS, Sora has to take Ven's heart I think twice.  Ven's heart is still resting within Sora, so when Sora lost his heart and became a nobody, Roxas was born with the appearance of Ven, with the ability to duel wield because of Ven.

Edited December 13, 2016 by IAMME