Ok, you know how in the ending of birth by sleep, we see Lea and Isa being kicked out of the hollow bastion castle? (proper name?)

Lea was the one that wanted to go in, and he dragged Isa along.

Lea probably wanted to learn about keyblades! Since Ansem the Wise knew all about them, he probably wanted to learn more from him and maybe even learn how to get a keyblade. When Lea became Axel, he probably forgot his dream to become a keyblade master because of all the Organizationy stuff they were working at. (well, Axel rebelled, but you know.) Since Lea woke up, he didn't know what to do because he wasn't working for Organization 13 anymore. But THEN he remembers that he wanted to learn how to use a keyblade, and since he didn't know where Ansem the Wise was, he decided to visit none other than good ol' Yen Sid!

 

Is there anyone that disagrees with my logic? have a feeling there will be, there always is

Maybe you need to go to manners school, axel_lea_lives_on. We have no proof that Saix was being possessed in KH2. The only reason Saix worked with Xemnas was to gain a heart, not because he was a Xehanort clone. Between KH2 and KH3D:DDD, YX took Isa to the World that Never Was to be possessed. 12 of the 13 were semi-Xehanort clones. MX smiled because he knew Lea reaction when he found out that Isa attacked him.

 

Both you and your friend have done nothing to contribute to the conversation. Next time you post, make a valid point instead of assuming things that have no basis in canon. I will not respond to any more of your childish bully posts on this topic.

Edited April 19, 201213 yr by Roxas Illini

Maybe you need to go to manners school, axel_lea_lives_on. We have no proof that Saix was being possessed in KH2. The only reason Saix worked with Xemnas was to gain a heart, not because he was a Xehanort clone. Between KH2 and KH3D:DDD, YX took Isa to the World that Never Was to be possessed. 12 of the 13 were semi-Xehanort clones. MX smiled because he knew Lea reaction when he found out that Isa attacked him.

 

LOL Ill go to manners school when you can comprehend simple logic.I didnt say Saix worked for Xemnas bc he was a clone.The org was built for the sole purpose of making 13 vessels. The entire time the organization existed they were vessels for MX. Some worked some didnt . Xemnas LIED to all the members .He admits all of this in DDD. Why the firetruck do you think Saix and Xigbar had the golden eyes and pointed ears the entire time ?? Because they were the vessels that were successful .Thats why they didnt awaken in the lab like the rest did .They were suppose to but didnt . Why ? because it was done years and years before .Please use logic here. Saix didnt know he was being possessed .None of them but Braig did.. THIS IS ALL STATED IN GAME...Therefore its not a theory .Its FACT . You are just not wanting to admit your theory is a fail . Facts prove your theory wrong .

Edited April 19, 201213 yr by axel_lea_lives_on

This is really my last reply!!! Ansem the Wise had pointy ears!!!!!!!! I know that the reason that they did not awaken in the lab was because Isa and Braig were becoming vessels. I was speculating why Isa was chosen to be a vessal. Even in the end, Saix was not willingly helping Xemnas. He wanted the heart that he thought he did not have. I imagine if he was given the chance before Sora defeated him, he might have tried to betray Xemnas to gain Kingdom Hearts in order to regain his heart.

 

If you and you second account want to be blind to logic and reason, then why don't you just stay offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is really my last reply!!! Ansem the Wise had pointy ears!!!!!!!! I know that the reason that they did not awaken in the lab was because Isa and Braig were becoming vessels. I was speculating why Isa was chosen to be a vessal. Even in the end, Saix was not willingly helping Xemnas. He wanted the heart that he thought he did not have. I imagine if he was given the chance before Sora defeated him, he might have tried to betray Xemnas to gain Kingdom Hearts in order to regain his heart.

 

If you and you second account want to be blind to logic and reason, then why don't you just stay offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I dont have a second account XDDD. But thats funny that you are really that paranoid . Two i never said Saix was willingly helping Xemnas. He was lied to like every other org member . He didnt know he was possessed .But that doesnt change the fact that he was indeed possessed and thats why hes a darkness..Finally i already told you that for all we know Ansem the wise could also be a darkness. Half the new Org is hooded so your point is moot ,Thirdly if you cant handle when others dont agree or prove you wrong it is YOU that should log off. Love your temper tantrum though .It is amusing.

Forgot to mention also that it is YOU that fails to make valid points and refuse to believe CANON facts that two different people tried telling you .Yet you say its us who have nothing to contribute? I think you are actually speaking of yourself if anything....Nothing Devereauxr or i said was assuming or made up.It was all facts from the actual games .Maybe you need to brush up on your facts .

Edited April 20, 201213 yr by axel_lea_lives_on

Saix/Xigbar are only partially possessed at the most. . . . they still act with all their normal mannerisms but they are beginning to act with no free will of their own. At the end of KHII Saix was obsessed with getting his heart back (probably more than any other org. member). This was probably the MX fragments influence. I doubt MX has an infinitely strong/dark heart unless he is simply a vessel himself for a super heartless, so all the Norts will retain some personality traits but as time goes on it will be harder for them to act on their own free will until finally (in KH3D onwards) when more of MX's heart is put into the vessels they will lose their consciousness over to MX.

 

I still think that each Nort will retain some of the body features/personality of their original person as evidenced by Xemnas and Ansem SoD not looking exactly like MX even though they are the most "pure" Nort.

Edited April 20, 201213 yr by atheist123

Saix/Xigbar are only partially possessed at the most. . . . they still act with all their normal mannerisms but they are beginning to act with no free will of their own. At the end of KHII Saix was obsessed with getting his heart back (probably more than any other org. member). This was probably the MX fragments influence. I doubt MX has an infinitely strong/dark heart unless he is simply a vessel himself for a super heartless, so all the Norts will retain some personality traits but as time goes on it will be harder for them to act on their own free will until finally (in KH3D onwards) when more of MX's heart is put into the vessels they will lose their consciousness over to MX.

 

I still think that each Nort will retain some of the body features/personality of their original person as evidenced by Xemnas and Ansem SoD not looking exactly like MX even though they are the most "pure" Nort.

 

Yeah i know they arent completely possessed but they are indeed possessed. I agree that they probably will keep some of their own attributes but as time progresses who knows what all will be lost .Braig said hes already half possessed .I do wonder what it will be like to be completely 100 %.It will be interesting .i guess we shall see

Yeah i know they arent completely possessed but they are indeed possessed. I agree that they probably will keep some of their own attributes but as time progresses who knows what all will be lost .Braig said hes already half possessed .I do wonder what it will be like to be completely 100 %.It will be interesting .i guess we shall see

 

It would be a sad, sad day if Xigbar was gone for good :c Isa, meh .. . I think that we will have to play as Lea when they eventually destroy Isanort. Just cos it would be most dramatic. Might even save him if he's lucky . . .

 

And also, since your name suggests you're an expert on Axel/Lea, what's up with Axels tattoo's? Are they just a plot device to indicate when he is a human or not (since his clothes don't change), or could they be the remnants of MX's failed attempt at possessing Axels? The physical differences between nobodies and somebodies could be due to MX's heart as we haven't seen a non-organisation humanoid Nobody yet. But I digress, it doesn't matter really; just curious, is all.

It would be a sad, sad day if Xigbar was gone for good :c Isa, meh .. . I think that we will have to play as Lea when they eventually destroy Isanort. Just cos it would be most dramatic. Might even save him if he's lucky . . .

 

And also, since your name suggests you're an expert on Axel/Lea, what's up with Axels tattoo's? Are they just a plot device to indicate when he is a human or not (since his clothes don't change), or could they be the remnants of MX's failed attempt at possessing Axels? The physical differences between nobodies and somebodies could be due to MX's heart as we haven't seen a non-organisation humanoid Nobody yet. But I digress, it doesn't matter really; just curious, is all.

 

I would LOVE to play as Lea in KH3. You just know that a very dramatic showdown will go down between Isa and Lea ..Believe it !!... As for leas teardrop tats i have a personal theory .They are upside down tearsdrops, right ? Well i thought maybe it was a physical sign of Leas sadness of losing his heart .Since he couldnt actually feel emotion anymore it manifested itself like that .Clearly thats pure theory though..I believe Nomura said all nobodies have slight differences than their human forms but you are right we havent seen other examples outside of the organization to compare this to

This is really my last reply!!! Ansem the Wise had pointy ears!!!!!!!! I know that the reason that they did not awaken in the lab was because Isa and Braig were becoming vessels. I was speculating why Isa was chosen to be a vessal. Even in the end, Saix was not willingly helping Xemnas. He wanted the heart that he thought he did not have. I imagine if he was given the chance before Sora defeated him, he might have tried to betray Xemnas to gain Kingdom Hearts in order to regain his heart.

 

If you and you second account want to be blind to logic and reason, then why don't you just stay offline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1QdUQl6krA&feature=related

 

 

Explains the purpose of the org right here

And here is the link to all the reports in days pay attention to siax's and axel's entries

http://www.gamefaqs....days/faqs/57994

 

These are pulled from the game word for word and are cannon all reports are cannon if you know what you were talking about you would know this already and nobody would be arguing.

 

Btw I'm pretty sure that I'm not the same person as Axel_lea_lives_on just saying

Edited April 20, 201213 yr by devereauxr