So I am starting to think that Terra isn't one of the 13 darknesses. Mainly because I believe Master Xehanort knows that Ven's heart is inside Sora. It is pretty obvious the organization knows this be cause of these two quotes.

 

Young Xehanort

Hypocrite. You are the one who has made your heart a prison... Even if you are not the prisoner.

Xemnas

Your heart, memories, your data, and your dreams. The bits and bytes that have made up your life so far. Can you say for sure they are not just copies of someone else's

So with that in mind think of when Master Xehanort says this.

 

But Sora and another on your list belong to me now. And that puts you three Guardians short.

So if Master Xehanort knows where Ven's heart is and has Terra they would really be 4 guardians short. (At that time) Now I am not saying he is after Ven. Just that he knows Ven's there so they are lacking 3 guardians.

 

If he is refering to Terra after all I still don't think Terra is a part of the 13 darknesses. Rather that Terra is in Master Xehanort's heart.

 

Just something to think about. Let me know what you think.

Xemnas couldnt FIND him ..He tried and couldnt .Did you not read this mentioned earlier in this thread ? Only Aqua can find him so MX still doesnt have him or can even obtain him .You cant split a body you dont have .

 

Oh I was talking about how Xehanort should know someone is in Sora's heart. Not related to what you were saying sorry ;_;

Oh I was talking about how Xehanort should know someone is in Sora's heart. Not related to what you were saying sorry ;_;

 

Xehanort knows Sora holds many hearts .He may or may not know .Its not been confirmed either way but regardless either way with no body its moot . Its the body he needs.

UMMM AX is Terras body with Terras heart merged with MXs.. Xemnas and Ansem are SHARED nobody/heartless of both Terra and MX... So even reviving, Terra is still in that vessel somewhere . What are you trying to say ?

 

 

 

 

BC Mickey goes down the list of lights ..Mickey, Sora, Riku , and his 3 lost friends...Mx then says two BELONG to him .. Since Ven and Aqua dont BELONG to him it leaves only Terra .

 

 

Yes, but lets just say he knows Ven's heart was in there. By capturing Sora, Ven's heart would belong to him wouldn't it? Like i said before it's just speculation I am not saying any for sures.

Yes, but lets just say he knows Ven's heart was in there. By capturing Sora, Ven's heart would belong to him wouldn't it? Like i said before it's just speculation I am not saying any for sures.

 

And Ive said MANY MANY times on here that means absolutely NOTHING bc he needs Vens body not his heart . He needs the body for a vessel . Without it having just the heart is worthless. Hes gathering VESSELS .

UMMM AX is Terras body with Terras heart merged with MXs.. Xemnas and Ansem are SHARED nobody/heartless of both Terra and MX... So even reviving, Terra is still in that vessel somewhere . What are you trying to say ?

 

 

 

 

BC Mickey goes down the list of lights ..Mickey, Sora, Riku , and his 3 lost friends...Mx then says two BELONG to him .. Since Ven and Aqua dont BELONG to him it leaves only Terra .

 

It's like if you were buying some burritos and it says on the box "FREE MR. BURRITO ACTION FIGURE INSIDE!!!" It isn't relevant to feeding your hunger but it still belongs to you.

 

And Ive said MANY MANY times on here that means absolutely NOTHING bc he needs Vens body not his heart . He needs the body for a vessel . Without it having just the heart is worthless. Hes gathering VESSELS .

 

Yes I know I know I know I know. I have also said that I am not saying he wants Ven as a vessel now.

It's like if you were buying some burritos and it says on the box "FREE MR. BURRITO ACTION FIGURE INSIDE!!!" It isn't relevant to feeding your hunger but it still belongs to you.

 

 

His whole goal is gathering 13 VESSELS ..Because Sora was saved , they ran outta time and faded back to their original timelines . There were 12 other organization figures there present . Meaning all 13 wouldve been there if Sora was implanted . He CANT implant Ven bc he has NO BODY .ITS THE BODY HE NEEDS. You still have no point.

 

It's like if you were buying some burritos and it says on the box "FREE MR. BURRITO ACTION FIGURE INSIDE!!!" It isn't relevant to feeding your hunger but it still belongs to you.

 

 

 

Yes I know I know I know I know. I have also said that I am not saying he wants Ven as a vessel now.

 

and hes saying he has the other two that belong to him as vessels/darknesses . You still have no point

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

His whole goal is gathering 13 VESSELS ..Because Sora was saved , they ran outta time and faded back to their original timelines . There were 12 other organization figures there present . Meaning all 13 wouldve been there if Sora was implanted . He CANT implant Ven bc he has NO BODY .ITS THE BODY HE NEEDS. You still have no point.

 

UGH. Ok now listen. I have not once said he wants Ven as a vessel. I KNOW HE DOESNT AND I KNOW HE CAN'T. I have said that already. My point is he could just be reffering to the fact that they are 3 guardians short. Because if they did capture Sora they would be short Ven. Because than Ven wouldn't be able to awaken from sleep and become a guardian. Which would leave them 3 guardians short. I AM NOT SAYING VEN IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE 13 DARKNESSES OR THAT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HIM ONE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

 

And you totally missed the point of my burrito example.

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by XaonSchock

UGH. Ok now listen. I have not once said he wants Ven as a vessel. I KNOW HE DOESNT AND I KNOW HE CAN'T. I have said that already. My point is he could just be reffering to the fact that they are 3 guardians short. Because if they did capture Sora they would be short Ven. Because than Ven wouldn't be able to awaken from sleep and become a guardian. Which would leave them 3 guardians short. I AM NOT SAYING VEN IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE 13 DARKNESSES OR THAT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE HIM ONE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

 

And you still arent getting the point that its never been confirmed he knows vens hearts whereabouts.Period. He doesnt know where the heart or body is . Also why implant Sora if he knew Vens heart was in there too? He wouldve tried to remove or use it first . Which he didnt . Neither YMX or MX talk about using Vens in their current plans . yet they know he was suppose to be a light . MX doesnt even know Vens fate .So you are saying hes talking about a person he knows nothing substantial about . Yet MX knows where Terra is . You still make no sense

DID you even read what i said ? Or read my first post on this thread ? I KNOW VENS HEARTS THERE .I said there is no proof MX knows .Read what i said before telling me to play DDD bc i have ..He also doesnt know Vens body's location...All MX knew was that Sora had MANY Hearts . There is no proof to say he knows one of them is Ven..Terra is defintely one of the darknesses as a vessel till hes rescued. MX straight up said Terra became his vessel..So whats your point exactly ?

 

Your Words Directly Before My Post Were " Vens heart location HASNT been confirmed to be known period" But On The Terra Topic, Yep Your Right Sorry About That

And you still arent getting the point that its never been confirmed he knows vens hearts whereabouts.Period. He doesnt know where the heart or body is . Also why implant Sora if he knew Vens heart was in there too? He wouldve tried to remove or use it first . Which he didnt . Neither YMX or MX talk about using Vens in their current plans . yet they know he was suppose to be a light . MX doesnt even know Vens fate .So you are saying hes talking about a person he knows nothing substantial about . Yet MX knows where Terra is . You still make no sense

 

No i get that point. That's why I've been saying it's just speculation. It also hasn't been confirmed that he doesn't know where Ven's heart is. What point would he have to remove a fractured heart? They captured Sora as a last minute thing. Why take the risk of screwing it up by removing Ven's heart? It is a possibility for someone like Master Xehanort to figure out that Ven's heart is inside Sora's.

 

Guys, I know this is off topic, but this arguement is getting no where. Can we please stop before the thread gets closed.

 

Well I think it is going somewhere now that they know what i mean

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by XaonSchock

No i get that point. That's why I've been saying it's just speculation. It also hasn't been confirmed that he doesn't know where Ven's heart is. What point would he have to remove a fractured heart? They captured Sora as a last minute thing. Why take the risk of screwing it up by removing Ven's heart? It is a possibility for someone like Master Xehanort to figure out that Ven's heart is inside Sora's.

 

MX doesn't even know if Ven even took slether in Sora's heart and it wasn't a last minute thing to capture Sora. They planned it.

No i get that point. That's why I've been saying it's just speculation. It also hasn't been confirmed that he doesn't know where Ven's heart is. What point would he have to remove a fractured heart? They captured Sora as a last minute thing. Why take the risk of screwing it up by removing Ven's heart? It is a possibility for someone like Master Xehanort to figure out that Ven's heart is inside Sora's.

 

 

 

Well I think it is going somewhere now that they know what i mean

 

I always knew what you meant and it still makes no sense . MX knows where and what happened to Terra . He doesnt about Ven or his fate .You dont have a point .You just refuse to see reason after many told you this..Why think Terra isnt a darkness when MX KNOWS his fate but then think its Ven hes refering to when its never been said MX knew what happened to Ven after he defeated Vanitas. This was planned out for a long time

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by DarknessOrLight

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

 

You do know that there is no way he can have Ven since he doesn't need his heart. He only needs the body aka vessel. Terra is the other person he has. If Sora was turned into Soranort, then he would have Sora and Terra and Mickey would then be three lights short.

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

 

No hes saying that MX is refering to Ven being one of the two lights now belonging to him that Mickey listed instead of it being TERRA..THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHETHER MX SAID IT WAS TERRA OR VEN THAT IS THE DARKNESS ... It hasnt been confirmed MX ever knew Vens fate after Vanitas' defeat. Xemnas and YMX were never mentioed to either . You are assuming .Also how the heck is ven gonna be a darkness when they have no body for him ??? Have you actually been reading these posts ?

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

XaonSchock is trying to say that if Sora became a vessel then Sora cannot be one of the lights, Ven's heart would have to stay inside of Sora so Ven would not wake. Basically,when MX says Mickey is missing 3 on the list, he means he is missing the unknown guardian of light, Sora, and Ven since Ven will not wake if Sora becomes a Darkness. Also, why wouldn't MX know about Vens heart if YMX, and Xemnas knows. It all makes since actually and could be true.

 

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.

 

No hes saying that MX is refering to Ven being one of the two lights now belonging to him that Mickey listed instead of it being TERRA..THIS THREAD IS ABOUT WHETHER MX SAID IT WAS TERRA OR VEN THAT IS THE DARKNESS ... IT hasnt been confirmed MX EVER knew Vens fate after Vanitas' defeat. Xemnas and YMX were never mentioed to either . You are assuming .Also how the heck is ven gonna be a darkness when they have NO BODY for him ??? Have you actually been reading these posts ?

 

No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying .

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.

 

 

 

No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying .

 

Did you not say that you think Terra ISNT a darkness ? Yes or no ..You straight up say this in your opening post . Then you say your reasoning for this is its VEN hes talking about ..YES OR NO ? Do you not realize by saying that MX is talking about Ven you are saying Mx has him for a darkness bc MX is saying two lights are now on his side aka as a darkness...

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

Yes this is what I mean. Thank you.

 

 

 

No, I have not once said Ven is a darkness. It's not that far fetched to believe that Master Xehanort knows about Ven. I mean he knows a lot of things and set up this huge off the wall plan. I think he has been reading them because he gets what I am saying .

 

MX doesn't know about Ven's heart being inside Sora. He nevered found out about what happened to Ven since he was fighting Terra's armor. He only knew what happened to Aqua and Terra.

Did you not say that you think Terra ISNT a darkness ? Yes or no ..You straight up say this in your opening post . Then you say your reasoning for this is its VEN hes talking about ..YES OR NO ?

 

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.

 

MX doesn't know about Ven's heart being inside Sora. He nevered found out about what happened to Ven since he was fighting Terra's armor. He only knew what happened to Aqua and Terra.

 

That is true. From what we have seen. But he could have found out off screen. There is a 10 year gap between BBS and KH. That's why I am just speculating. I'm not saying it's a fact. Just an interesting theory that has a possiblility of being valid.

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.

 

 

 

That is true. From what we have seen. But he could have found out off screen. There is a 10 year gap between BBS and KH. That's why I am just speculating. I'm not saying it's a fact. Just an interesting theory that has a possiblility of being valid.

 

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

Yes I said that I don't think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses. Yes I did say it's because I think he is refering to Ven. BUT I am not saying Ven is one of the 13 Darknesses. What I am saying is that the guardians will be missing a light.

 

Then NO that person isnt getting what you were saying then .Read what i said . MX said that two lights now BELONGED TO HIM ON HIS SIDE -- the darknesses.. All 12 of the rest were there making Sora the 13. He was saying his side = darknesses. So if he says those two are now belonging to his side they are darknesses ( sora an attempted one at that point ) . . Explain to us also how terra could not be a darkness but be in MX's heart bc that makes no sense . AX/ MX never found out Vens fate and its never been said that he did . So you cant say this as evidence as it never happened .

 

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

 

 

and this

Edited August 20, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

There was no way Terranort could have found out. If you played and watched BBS then you'll know that he losted his memories after he fought Aqua. He then started remembering at some point and turned himself and the others to heartless and nobodies.

 

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

The youngest version of MX still looks like Terra. So, all of his time-clones are terra-norts, or his original young body looked exactly like Terra by coincidence.

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

 

Um, he was in Hollow Bastion just standing there and he didn't even know who he even. Xemnas was trying to find the chamber since Terra wanted to be with Ven again. Plus, the only part that does not belong to Xehanort is Terra's mind and will which is trapped in his armor in the Keyblade Graveyard.

I've played every single game at least 3 times. and watched all the cutscences numours times. There was a short time between when Terranort was formed and when aqua found him. Maybe he found out there but there isn't much time inbetween. Then theres the time xemnas was running around. Nomura has said that xemnas could have some of terras memories. So it's not that far fetched to say Terra reacted to seeing Sora and saw Ven the same way Ven reacted to seeing young Xehanort when he saw Vanitas. Than there is the time between kh2 and DDD and during DDD.

 

 

Right after Ven defeated Vanitas Aqua hid ven there was no time for Terranort to find ven .She went straight from hiding him to finding Terranort then fighting him .So no this isnt plausible..Also He never found Ven in CO either when he was Xemnas

Edited August 16, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea