I found this article on PokeJungle

 

and it exactly sums up everything I wanted to post regarding my feelings toward the genwunners

 

I won't say anything,I'll just post it here

 

 

By Sammydodger · On September 16, 2013

Since joining PJN I’ve had all of these mad ideas flowing through my mind, but then a sane, coherent, and utterly ingenious concept reared its ugly head. I’ve thought of a new series so completely logical it’s made my inner psycho shiver with disgust. My idea consists of highlighting the things I dislike in Pokémon. It makes a ridiculous amount of sense; I mean what could possibly go wrong?

Ok seriously this could go either way, and it will no doubt cause some controversy. However, I’d like to point out I do in fact love the franchise with a passion (obviously), and my dislikes (not ‘hating’) will be backed up with solid reasons. The topics I discuss won’t solely be about the games; it will be anything Pokémon. This week keeping with the ‘Gen 1’ theme I will be talking about an infamous group of people within the fandom known as the ‘Genwunners’.

“Biggest trolls in the fandom”

Now I’m not talking about people who just prefer Gen 1 over the others, as they’re great games and there are good reasons as to why people might prefer them. No I’m talking about people who say Gen 1 is the best but slate the rest of the series with little to no reason backing up their opinion. Yes I get that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when someone is blinded by nostalgia and is defaming a series they supposedly love without any understandable or sincere reason then they’re a Genwunner.

This group of people are never happy and some become the biggest trolls in the fandom (although they’re not real fans if they constantly spurt hatred towards everything new they see in Pokémon). With each new generation they get more tiresome and repetitive, so much so that I’ll list some examples I expect most people have heard and my response to them:

 

 

 

 

Comment: ‘WTF? An ice cream Pokémon!? They’re really running out of ideas…’ – This is one of the most common jibes I see and it’s been around for a long time (although most now highlight the Vanillite line as their so called ‘evidence’). This comment is usually followed by people claiming how the series has lost originality and that Gen 1 Pokémon are the only good designs.

Response: Ok so you dislike one Pokémon and suddenly it means they’ve run out of ideas and the WHOLE generation sucks? Every generation has the odd weird/lazy design for example Voltorb and Seel. For every ice cream there’s an awesome eagle like Braviary. Besides people like different things, just because you don’t doesn’t mean others don’t either, so get over it.

Comment: ‘WTF? A rubbish bag!? Inanimate objects shouldn’t be Pokémon…’ – Another common complaint is Pokémon based on non living things. Chandelure and Garbordor are two which have garnered a lot of negative attention the past gen; apparently they should all be animals or insects.

Response: Ok explain Magnemite and Geodude to me. You can’t? Well there’s a surprise.

Comment: ‘Pokémon have become too complex’ and ‘Garbordor is such an awful design…’ – Garbordor can be replaced with other Pokémon but he’s been given a lot of hate this past gen. People have also complained about newer Pokémon being too complicated looking and miss the ‘simplicity’ of the original 151.

 

Response: Yes Garbordor looks crap but that’s the actual point. He’s meant to look awful and unappealing because he’s a heap of rubbish. The idea for the design is great for a poison Pokémon because waste can give diseases etc. It’s more imaginative than Muk even if I think Muk looks cooler (in my opinion). Designs should not always be judged on looks alone, look behind them for the real meanings. Sometimes the best and most creative ones are the least appreciated.

As for complexity, surely the added detail makes Pokémon look better if anything? Besides every generation has simple and complex Pokémon. Gen 1 has Pokémon like Venusaur, Machamp and Kangaskhan all of which are very detailed. Yet in Gen 5 we see Pokémon as simple as Beartic, Swanna and Musharna. As I said before, one Pokémon does not represent a generation. Also if Pokémon are ‘meant’ to be based on animals and insects, then surely more complexity would be better seeing as how detailed the real life counterparts are?

Comment: ‘Pokémon is always the same, nothing changes, they’re milking it like COD…’ – This one isn’t exactly a Genwunner problem, but it’s a common complaint I see pop up on gaming sites made by people who are obviously unacquainted with the modern versions of the game. Also it’s not about the actual Pokémon this time so I thought I’d throw it into the mix. The premise of this dig comes from the fact that because Pokémon has maintained its winning formula (which has helped Nintendo sell an approximate 50 bazillion copies of the Pokémon main series), it is therefore not making any changes to it and are just reselling the same game with a new coat of paint.

“Every gaming franchise has a successful formula which they stick to”

Response: Right I’m guessing this has to do with 3 main areas which are: gym/elite 4/champion journey, turn based battling and sprites. First off sprites are no more, so that’s no longer a valid complaint (although now people will say they miss Pokémon’s retro look as it was part of its appeal). Secondly the turn based battling is part of Pokémon’s blood. You cannot change the genre of a main series because it would become a completely different game. Every gaming franchise has a successful formula which they stick to. The reason spin offs exist is so developers can take risks and change things. Anyway the battling has evolved greatly with the introduction of physical/special categories and IVs and EVs.

Finally for the 8 badges-Elite 4-Champion journey, I do think they could shake it up a little, but they can’t really change it too much as the whole point of Pokémon is to become the best trainer the world has ever seen. As for everything else in the main series, it has all evolved a lot but you’d have to play the latest games to see it. The core concepts may be familiar, but changing it too much could make them lose their appeal and make them seem more like spin offs than main entries.

Final Thoughts: There will always be Genwunners no matter how good or different the newer games are. We must just ignore and pity them for not being able to enjoy the awesomeness this franchise still brings. For now however, I’d like to hear from you lot. Do you agree with my responses and what would you say instead? Are there any Genwunners here who would like to counter comment? Please discuss below! 

again,this article is written by an editor in Pokejungle,not by me.

 

Personally,while I had my doubts about Gen 5 previously,it quickly grew on me and became my favorite Generation of Pokemon alongside Gen 2 (Until X & Y comes anyway).And while I have my problems with Gen 3 I actually started to like it and I wanna try RubySaphireEmerald and try to finish Pokemon Colosseum if I can.

 

So,what do you think of what the guy from  PokeJungle said???Again,it's not me,it's written on PokeJungle

Edited September 18, 201312 yr by Metal Snake

Genwunners are just... ignorant. On a side-note, I've discovered a new breed of Genwunners that survives on Digimon. I've seen a lot of people complaining how Fusion looks to much like Power Rangers. Yeah, like Frontier was nothing like PR at all. 

Anyway back to the real subject, I know they cant really change the formula, but they could add to it. Put the Gym part a little more in the background and focus a bit more on the power of the legendary Pokemon. Part of the reason Pt is my fave is because they really made a point of how dangerous Giratina was. Not only did it destroy Cyrus, it then went on to warp the fabric of reality. Before then the villain never seemed to actually get obtain the legendaries (though my memory on R/S/E is a little fuzzy) and in gen V they gained full control of it. In III and V is also only felt like the region was in danger and not the whole world. Right now, with Gen VI, they have the perfect opportunity to repeat what they did with Pt and have Yeveltal be an uncontrollable danger to the entire world, seeing has how its genus is the "Destruction Pokemon".

Edited September 18, 201312 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Genwunners are just... ignorant. On a side-note, I've discovered a new breed of Genwunners that survives on Digimon. I've seen a lot of people complaining how Fusion looks to much like Power Rangers. Yeah, like Frontier was nothing like PR at all. 

Anyway back to the real subject, I know they cant really change the formula, but they could add to it. Put the Gym part a little more in the background and focus a bit more on the power of the legendary Pokemon. Part of the reason Pt is my fave is because they really made a point of how dangerous Giratina was. Not only did it destroy Cyrus, it then went on to warp the fabric of reality. Before then the villain never seemed to actually get obtain the legendaries (though my memory on R/S/E is a little fuzzy) and in gen V they gained full control of it. In III and V is also only felt like the region was in danger and not the whole world. Right now, with Gen VI, they have the perfect opportunity to repeat what they did with Pt and have Yeveltal be an uncontrollable danger to the entire world, seeing has how its genus is the "Destruction Pokemon".

I actually can see a good story element from this

 

Team Flare would try to use Yveltal to destroy the world and then capture Xerneas to help them shape the world in their own image

 

I think Team Flare would try to finish what Cyrus has started when he wanted to create the perfect world.

 

I just hope that Team Flare would have better Grunts and executives than the pathetic ones that Team Galactic has.

I actually can see a good story element from this

 

Team Flare would try to use Yveltal to destroy the world and then capture Xerneas to help them shape the world in their own image

 

I think Team Flare would try to finish what Cyrus has started when he wanted to create the perfect world.

 

I just hope that Team Flare would have better Grunts and executives than the pathetic ones that Team Galactic has.

Yes, exactly! But have Yveltal go all psycho-bird on the flare leader. I have a scenario thought up, but I'm not sure if I should put it down since it would deviate so much from the topic. 

Edited September 18, 201312 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Genwunners are just... ignorant. On a side-note, I've discovered a new breed of Genwunners that survives on Digimon. I've seen a lot of people complaining how Fusion looks to much like Power Rangers. Yeah, like Frontier was nothing like PR at all. 

Anyway back to the real subject, I know they cant really change the formula, but they could add to it. Put the Gym part a little more in the background and focus a bit more on the power of the legendary Pokemon. Part of the reason Pt is my fave is because they really made a point of how dangerous Giratina was. Not only did it destroy Cyrus, it then went on to warp the fabric of reality. Before then the villain never seemed to actually get obtain the legendaries (though my memory on R/S/E is a little fuzzy) and in gen V they gained full control of it. In III and V is also only felt like the region was in danger and not the whole world. Right now, with Gen VI, they have the perfect opportunity to repeat what they did with Pt and have Yeveltal be an uncontrollable danger to the entire world, seeing has how its genus is the "Destruction Pokemon".

I wouldn't compare the Pokemon genwunners to Digimon genwunners. It's too distinctive+there are valid reasons why people dislike Xross. Even though some do act childish when it comes to it. Sorry but I actually think the Xross' with Shoutmon were way too Transformers/Megazords meet Digimon, but that's not my biggest reason why I dislike it. Hey at least I like a minimal amount of Xross such as Mervamon. (Ignoring the unnecessary... you get the idea)

 

Back on the Pokemon genwunners, they are the the biggest ignorant, stupidest, childish, illogical people I've met. Even when you talk some sense into them, they either ignore you because they can't make comebacks, or keep living the ignorant Pokemon life. Sure not all Pokemon will be likable, creative, etc, but is that the best reason you can give to say absurd statements such as "Nintendo should stop making Pokemon", then clearly you are a blind person who hasn't seen statistics of how good has been the franchise been doing. They don't even admit at the design that are good in later generations! Like why bother then? Just leave Pokemon, go play something else, and shut the firetruck up. A simple dislike statement is okay, but when you're bashing future generations while sucking gen 1's uknowwhat, just stop and think about you life. (Hahaha nah, just a simple stahp will suffice)

I wouldn't compare the Pokemon genwunners to Digimon genwunners. It's too distinctive+there are valid reasons why people dislike Xross. Even though some do act childish when it comes to it. Sorry but I actually think the Xross' with Shoutmon were way too Transformers/Megazords meet Digimon, but that's not my biggest reason why I dislike it. Hey at least I like a minimal amount of Xross such as Mervamon. (Ignoring the unnecessary... you get the idea)

 

Back on the Pokemon genwunners, they are the the biggest ignorant, stupidest, childish, illogical people I've met. Even when you talk some sense into them, they either ignore you because they can't make comebacks, or keep living the ignorant Pokemon life. Sure not all Pokemon will be likable, creative, etc, but is that the best reason you can give to say absurd statements such as "Nintendo should stop making Pokemon", then clearly you are a blind person who hasn't seen statistics of how good has been the franchise been doing. They don't even admit at the design that are good in later generations! Like why bother then? Just leave Pokemon, go play something else, and shut the firetruck up. A simple dislike statement is okay, but when you're bashing future generations while sucking gen 1's uknowwhat, just stop and think about you life. (Hahaha nah, just a simple stahp will suffice)

THIS

 

this sums it up perfectly

 

In fact,as much as I love Gen1,the Gen 1 games are extremely outdated in terms of Gameplay mechanics,especially in the meta game where things like Double Battles,breeding,EV and IV training,triple battles...etc have became the core of the Pokemon experience especially in the competitive scene

 

Thank God Gamefreak didn't listen to those Genwunners,otherwise we would've stuck with the overpowered Psychic types that had nothing to stand against it until Dark and Steel came in Gen 2.

 

 

The new games,especially BlackWhite 2 had a lot of depth and strategy into it than older games in the series especially Gen 1.

 

Yeah some of the designs can be stupid,but it's not enough to ruin the entire game like the Gen1tards who say Gen 5 sucks because of Ice Cream and Garbage Pokemon and when you ask them to state another well-thought reason they just shut up or start insulting.

 

Gen 5 has took Pokemon to the next level and added a lot to the series,especially in the competitive scene where I saw some people making use of Pokemons I never thought it would ever be useful like Amoongus or even Vanlish

 

I can't wait for X & Y which I feel it might be the best Pokemon game in the main series

I wouldn't compare the Pokemon genwunners to Digimon genwunners. It's too distinctive+there are valid reasons why people dislike Xross. Even though some do act childish when it comes to it. Sorry but I actually think the Xross' with Shoutmon were way too Transformers/Megazords meet Digimon, but that's not my biggest reason why I dislike it. Hey at least I like a minimal amount of Xross such as Mervamon. (Ignoring the unnecessary... you get the idea)

 

Back on the Pokemon genwunners, they are the the biggest ignorant, stupidest, childish, illogical people I've met. Even when you talk some sense into them, they either ignore you because they can't make comebacks, or keep living the ignorant Pokemon life. Sure not all Pokemon will be likable, creative, etc, but is that the best reason you can give to say absurd statements such as "Nintendo should stop making Pokemon", then clearly you are a blind person who hasn't seen statistics of how good has been the franchise been doing. They don't even admit at the design that are good in later generations! Like why bother then? Just leave Pokemon, go play something else, and shut the firetruck up. A simple dislike statement is okay, but when you're bashing future generations while sucking gen 1's uknowwhat, just stop and think about you life. (Hahaha nah, just a simple stahp will suffice)

Well there are Poke-fans who have legitimate reasons for generally disliking later Pokemon games. When I think "Genwunner" I think of a childish troll who can't except the fact the things need to change, at least a little, to keep it interesting and hate the fact that you can't just win every battle by spamming Earthquake anymore. If every Pokemon game had been exactly the same, without adding anything or changing the formula up at all, it would have died a long time ago. You are clearly not a Digimon Genwunner. Even though there are things you don't like about Fusion it's not like you're going around saying "Dis shit sux! adventure was teh bess tin evr, teh rest shud all jus go die! JAJAJAJA TROLOLOLOLOLOLOL!"Since you know about Mervamon, you obviously saw Xros Wars. You know that the story is good (at least I thought so) even with all the changes to evolution. The reason I bring up Fusion vs Frotier is there are some people who hate Fusion for copying PR yet praise Frotier even though they had some PR inspired things too. Namely humans transforming into colorful superheroes with special powers. I like both, the stories are good, but you can't rip on one season for taking elements from something else, then turn around and celebrate an earlier one that did the same thing in a different way.But anyway, Yeah, If you can come up with a legitimate, well thought out reason why you dislike later Pokemon games and can back it up, You're not a Genwunner. 

If you're just butthurt that you have to wait until post game to catch or transfer your precious Pikachu (Not that I have anything against Pikachu), leave the fandom now.

Edited September 18, 201312 yr by Isamu_Kuno