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Phoenix Wright Question (slight spoilers, second game)

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  Alright, so in this case, we're investigating the murder of the Ringmaster, defendant is Max. Trilo says he was waiting outside to propose to Regina when he spotted Max at the plaza- here lies a contradiction not pointed out in the case.

It is impossible for Trilo to have been at the scene of the crime, since he was, in fact, hidden by Max earlier that morning. Trilo is a puppet used be Ben, and Ben, himself, cannot talk to anyone at all if he doesn't have Trilo with him. How could he propose to Regina, let alone TALK to her if Trilo wasn't with him? Not only that, but he claims to have said "Good Evening" to the Ringmaster as well. Ben was too nervous to say anything without Trilo. Trilo claims that both Ben and Trilo were at the scene, (he made a huge deal about how there were four eyes watching the scene, his and Ben's)

 

Max had hid Trilo earlier that morning after he and Max had a fight over being in love with Regina. Max hit Ben over the head with a bottle, and knocked him out. He stole the puppet, and hid him in the Ringmasters bedroom. Ben did not get Trilo BACK until Phoenix returned him the next day, after the scene had already happened.

 

SOME theorize that Max was not arrested until the next morning, and THAT is when he hid the puppet, but this cannot be, as Moe called the Police that night, and all the characters in game claim that he had been arrested that night.

Ben wouldn't even be out in the cold at that time if he hadn't had Trilo, thus he wouldn't have even witnessed the crime scene in the first place! The only reason he CLAIMS to have been out there, was to propose to Regina, which is impossible, since the ring was in TRILO's pockets, and he didn't have Trilo at the time. He also can't speak... so my question here is obvious.

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Da fuq?
No but, how could he be a witness to a crime it is impossible for him to witness, since he hadn't even been at the crime scene?

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I am a huge Ace Attorney nerd, but what the heck? How did I not notice this massive contradiction. Holy mother of cow. (I sound so obnoxious O_O)

 

By the way, have you finished this case yet or are still doing it? That might help me from answering this question a bit better.

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I knew the day would come when I'd encounter a legitimate Ace Attorney plot-hole.

 

I just didn't expect it to be this soon I wasn't prepared

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I am a huge Ace Attorney nerd, but what the heck? How did I not notice this massive contradiction. Holy mother of cow. (I sound so obnoxious O_O)

 

By the way, have you finished this case yet or are still doing it? That might help me from answering this question a bit better.

Hm... I haven't finished the case just yet. But I tried pointing out this contradiction with the judge only to get a GUILTY verdict in the end. Perhaps I should finish the case before asking questions like this >.<

Ahhh I see you had one of those moments. Trust me, I had so many of them while playing. You think up this brilliant plan and everything makes sense and is logical. But the goddamn cross-examination music doesn't stop playing and I feel like breaking something. O_O

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Ahhh I see you had one of those moments. Trust me, I had so many of them while playing. You think up this brilliant plan and everything makes sense and is logical. But the goddamn cross-examination music doesn't stop playing and I feel like breaking something. O_O

EXACTLY! It doesn't help in some Trials where even just pressing the witness gets you penalized :/I recently got into the series, and I'm pretty excited for future games. I want to meet some of the characters people talk about, like Apollo Justice. Just gotta finish the first three games, and then Apollo Justice, and then Miles Edgeworth Investigations, and then PWvPL, and then the most recent one.

The characters in the games is one of my favourite bits (other than OBJECTION!s). So many memorable characters with exaggerated personalities. Helps that none of the games have left me disappointed, I enjoyed all of them. Personally for me the series peaks at Trials and Tribulations (so game three) but my favourite is the one your playing right now (Justice for everyone lolz).

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The characters in the games is one of my favourite bits (other than OBJECTION!s). So many memorable characters with exaggerated personalities. Helps that none of the games have left me disappointed, I enjoyed all of them. Personally for me the series peaks at Trials and Tribulations (so game three) but my favourite is the one your playing right now (Justice for everyone lolz).

Ah, yes, the characters are brilliant! I'm predicting a return of Wendy Oldbag in a future game (I examined some stuff in Miles' office in the extra episode on the first game, sent from her. It sounded like she was in trouble.) Also predicting the return of the Bellboy, he was in his office too. *excitement for reoccurring characters!*

So excited seeing someone playing through the games. Can't wait for you to finish and have your mind blown by so many things xD Keep having fun with the games!!

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So excited seeing someone playing through the games. Can't wait for you to finish and have your mind blown by so many things xD Keep having fun with the games!!

I hope to! I'll come back once I finish the case. If my question isn't answered by the game, I'll return*

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So excited seeing someone playing through the games. Can't wait for you to finish and have your mind blown by so many things xD Keep having fun with the games!!

Welp, the case is over and my question still stands.But I guess it's not a HUGE contradiction. I'll get over it. If there's no answer, I'm okay with that.

I'm going to play through the case and see what's up. I don't remember it very well so I will get back to you once I refresh my memory.

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