xahanortlives

Well folks, I officially have my first correction to post here. (Man, that didnt take long, havent been a member here for even a day and I'm already correcting myself! :wacko:) After a conversation with axel_lea_lives_on, it is undeniable that Ventus was in fact inside of Roxas and that is why he could use the Keyblade. It just makes sense. Another thing I just thought of is that Sora did in fact retain his heart because, for a time, he turned into a Heartless. So who's heart was involved in creating Roxas? Ventus' heart, It must have been him! Thanks for all the intel guys, this has truly been enlightening.

oh...sorry...that'd be, "hey WOman, you're good," Sorry http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/happy.png

...WHOA!!! Hey there! A lightbulb turned on! Ven does not have a nobody since his body is in sleep...I never really thought of that!...fail. :mellow: Oh well. Hey man, you're good, come visit my posts more often, and I'll do the same for yours.

True, but how do you connect that to Vanitas? Ven and Vanitas were independent entities throughout all of BBS except for the very end for the last fight inside of Ven.

But then it still wagers to ask the question then, where is the third nobody? Kairi = Namine/ Ventus = Roxas (According to you)/ Sora = ? http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png Know what I'm saying? There's kind of a gap there...

Well I could ask a similar question and ask why Vanitas looked like Sora? For there wasn't even any contact with Sora by anyone when Vanitas was created. It's somewhat of a mystery I wager.

Hm, that sounds alright, but it's just not specific enough for me. If you want to get technical in that manner, there should have been three Nobodies created since there were three hearts inside of Sora (His own, Kairi's, and Ven's) so how could Sora's heart and Ventus's heart colaberate to one nobody, Roxas? Just some food for thought there.

Hm...some good thoughts here guys, but, no offense, I'm gonna stick with what I was saying since there is actual in game proof. I'm real picky about that and I'm not really that into just theorizing off of some random tangent; in game proof is my guiding principle.

Hey, that is an excellent point! I never really thought about it that way and now that I do it makes loads of sense. Good eye!

One of my fave ORG XIII members, because every series needs it's mad scientist, and Vexen fulfilled that role extremely well in my opinion.

The reason it's a fave treat is that it was a favorite treat of Ansem the Wise, as seen in the last hidden scene of BBS, and also a couple of statements from in in KHII. Now any practical reasons...? I think waytothexdawnx's up top is satisfactory.

I'd say Antiform, but it drives me nuts that it comes up at random and you cannot get out of it until the Drive meter empties. (And usually it always showed up for me at the wrong time!) Final form makes me feel like a god in game. Ultima weapon + Fenrir = I'm kickin' everybody's hide!

O-o Whoa...Wait a minute!? Ventus was inside of Roxas? That sounds reasonable is there any in-game proof to back that up? If anyone could show me that, (1) I'd be appreciative and (2) I'd be surprised!

Perhaps there'll be something like that in KH 3D. We shall see...but yeah, I'm not so big on customization that it's all I do, but it is a decent amount of fun.

Think about this; “How come Roxas uses the Keyblade, being the Nobody of a Keyblade wielder, but Xemnas could not? I mean, to be honest, Roxas and Xion would have been unnecessary members of the Organization if Xemnas could have colleted hearts to complete his Kingdom Hearts himself.” I have heard multiple theories on this with rather large rifts in them. One of the more pervasive ideas going around in our circles is that Xemnas thought that the power of “nothingness” was stronger than light. (a.k.a. the Keyblade’s power.) But then why does Xemnas say in a clear voice near the end of KH II, “Hearts are the source of all power!” :mellow: That one line pretty much shoots down that theory. Another theory that is well intentioned, but has a gaping hole in it, involves Terra. This theory states that after Xaenhort possessed Terra, and during the last battle with Aqua when Terra “fights back,” not only did he damage Xahanort’s memory, he also went out of his way to make sure that Xahanort couldn’t use the Keyblade any longer. How did Terra manage to do this? Well the author claims that all throughout “Kingdom Hearts” Terra was fighting inside Xahanort to restrict his ability to use the Keyblade. I believe that makes perfect sense to why XAHANORT doesn’t (more like couldn’t) use the Keyblade in “Kingdom Hearts”, but the author conveniently leaves out how all of the above facts apply to XEMNAS and why he doesn’t use the Keyblade. http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png So why doesn’t Xemnas use the Keyblade? Essential knowledge about the Keyblade is required to understand my well thought out and researched theory about this matter concerning Xemnas. My entire theory rests on this single fact; one must have at least part of a heart to use the Keyblade. Now before you scream “But Roxas didn’t have a heart!” hear me out. Roxas DID have a PART of Sora’s heart. Think about this. When Xaenhort extracted the darkness from Ventus’ heart and created Vanitus, Vanitus could use the Keyblade because he took a huge chunk of Ventus’ heart with him. He had part of a heart, so he could use the Keyblade. Now let’s switch over to “Kingdom Hearts.” When Sora extracted both his and Kairi’s heart simultaneously from Sora’s body, both Roxas and Namine were created. Roxas could use the Keyblade because he had a PART OF SORA’S HEART WHEN HE WAS CREATED, (I’ll explain in more detail later.) and yet Roxas didn’t have so big a chunk of Sora’s heart that he had to fall into the clutches of sleep like Ven did when Vanitas was conjured. “I want Proof!” some of you say, well here’s two pieces of proof. 1. Roxas cries more than once, which expresses genuine emotion. You need a heart to express genuine emotion. 2. When Vexen gave Sora the Twilight Town card in Castle Oblivion, he said that he found the information to make that card “from another side of [his] memory.” That “other” side of Sora’s memory was Roxas’ piece of Sora’s heart. “Alright, but what does this have to do with Xemnas not using the Keyblade?” EVERYTHING!!! Here is my theory about why Xemnas didn’t use the Keyblade. It wasn’t that Xemnas didn’t want to use the Keyblade; it’s the fact that he couldn’t use it. Why? When Xaenhort extracted his heart, he did not do the natural thing like Sora did and let it drift away to create a natural Nobody. No, Xahanort deliberately forced his heart into Terra’s. And since Xaenhort did that and never gave up a body for any amount of time, he did become a Heartless, but inside of Terra’s body. (Thus making Xahanort half human, half heartless.) That did not happen to Sora. Sora completely gave up his body when he turned the Keyblade on himself and became 100% Heartless. So Sora’s heart drifted away and began creating Roxas. During that creating process though, Sora’s heart was yanked back inside him when the light of Kairi turned Sora into a human again. But not all of Sora’s heart came back to him, part of it stayed with Roxas because he was at least in part of the creating process to make a Nobody. Xahanort’s heart never even entered the creating stage because his heart went straight from his body into Terra and thus no part of Xahanort’s heart was used to create Xemnas. No part of a heart = No usage of the Keyblade. Some would say “Well that makes no sense! A Nobody with virtually none of the characteristics to make a Nobody? Poppycock!” The underlined portion was a paraphrase of a quote from the Secret Reports from “Kingdom Hearts II” when Ansem the Wise was describing Namine. OoO Yes, that’s right! If you can put two and two together, you realize that Namine was created in almost the exact same conditions as Xemnas. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!... Oh! You deny what I am saying? Then let me do a side by side comparison. Xaenhort turns the Keyblade on himself thus releasing his heart from his body and then forcefully thrusts his heart into Terra’s. Xaenhort’s heart doesn’t have a chance to enter the creating stage to make a Nobody, and yet Xemnas is born and cannot use the Keyblade. Sora turns the Keyblade on himself thus releasing his heart from his body and, since Kairi’s heart was inside Sora’s heart at that moment and Kairi’s body was just feet away, Kairi’s heart naturally reenters her own body. Kairi’s heart doesn’t have a chance to enter the creating stage to make a Nobody, and yet… Namine is born with special powers over Sora and those connected to him. But I’m rabbit-trailing here…if anyone has any questions, let me know.

Hello one and all! I am a college student that has been a fan of the Kingdom Hearts Series since it first came out in 2001! Ah the sweet memories, the original Kingdom Hearts was the first thing I played on my brand new PS2 when I was nine years old one fateful Christmas morning...wow...that long ago? Sheesh...but I can definitively say that I am proud to have been a faithful fan of the game since it's beginning. The game grabbed me with the Disney characters when I was nine, and now that I am older the plot and story of the series is what I enjoy the most, and the Disney characters add a nice touch of nostalgia from my younger days. With the original characters to the series, Vanitas is my favorite villain role, Riku scores #1 in my heart as a hero, and the good ol' Flurry of Dancing Flames, Axel, is my favorite character over all. (Oh PLEASE bring him back in 3D!) My favorite game of the series so far is Birth By Sleep. Now as far as posting forums, my style usually tends towards an analyzable view of the series, basing theories that I state on in-game fact rather than some random idea floating around in cyberspace. I have a couple of them all ready done and will post them in the very near future. If you read them, (and I implore you, please do!) please tell me what you think and do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions. I truly wish that me being on this sight will deepen even more my knowledge and everyone else's knowledge of this timeless series! Lets all have fun everybody! Sincerely, xahenortlives