Helios X

I really don't know how these things of light and dark work. The 7 princesses are natural lights that are pure. While the guardians are their protectors and not pure lights. It looks like any of them will do from what I've seen. The question I have is where are the 13 natural hearts of darkness? Organization 13 are artificial darknesses that can recreate the x-blade. Some say that the princesses hearts of pure light are made of the light of children that survived the keyblade war and that x-blade fragments of lights are the protectors. Other sources say that the princesses of hearts are the fragments. There are also theories from other people that organization 13 may harbor fragments of draknesses from the X-blade in their hearts. But nothing is actually clear.

I think like wise khdays, but he seems to want a whole new war from the things I've seen and heard to see how a world can form from ruination. My guess is, since he is going to forge the X-blade to open the door to Kingdom Hearts, all worlds will we united and for some reason keyblade bearers from light and dark will ingage in war to destroy the current world. I guess he is thinking to use Kingdom Hearts to build a world according to his liking once the war is over. He also seems to be curious about the cycle of creation and destruction.

Sora might be a dull ordinary boy to Master Xehanort but remeber the ties that he has with others make him special and that is why the keyblade chose him. If you ask me that something extraordinary in my opinion. Plus he is the hero who has save the worlds from darkness twice and will save the world yet again. There is the possibility that others will guard the princesses while he focuses on combating xehanort but in my opinion he is fit to be a guardian. Specially after his sacrifice for Kairi in Hallow Bastion and his search for his friends. He really cares for people.

Good. Why don't you believe he could be a light? Not special enough? That's why I included Goofy, Donald and Namine on the comment above. The three of them don't wield keyblades but could end up as guardians. Don't know how they will protect the princesses or fight the darknesses though.

Before Sora and friends confront Master Xehanort and his twelve selves in the final battle. They must first rescue a few people. These being: - Aqua: Somehow Sora and friends must enter the realm of darkness and rescue her. - Ventus: Ventus' heart is within Sora's own heart while his body is resting at the Chamber of Awakening at Castle Oblivion. I suppose they must rescue Aqua first to lead the way. Sora must be present at moment of Awakening since he has Ventus's heart. -Terra: He is in pieces. His mind and will reside in Lingering Will, Terra's armor, while his body and soul are in control of Xehanort. His hearts is who knows where. Will he be rescued in time for him to be a guardian or will he be restored after the battle? - Roxas: It has been stated in kh 3d that roxas is his own person and perhaps can be rescued through some kind of awakening or other unknown method. - Xion: It think i read somewhere that Sora's on a quest to find a keyblade that can return hearts. Perhaps through a similar process as Roxas. - Namine: Lives within Kairi. Perhaps similar bring out as Roxas. - Master Eraqus: Is Eraqus gone for good? All we know is that Terra is harboring Eraqus's heart within his own heart. Perhaps he could be restored as well. So we have Sora, Riku, Mickey, Kairi, Lea, Donald and Goofy at the moment. If they rescue Roxas, Namine, Xion, Aqua, Ven, Terra and Master Eraqus then that means there will 14 guardians which seven are bound to be guardians of light. On a side note Xehanort is planing to incite another keyblade war and even if the light siders are more than seven he will still need other keyblade bearers for the keyblade war plus he has a wider range of lights to forge the X-blade. What are your opinions?

Anti-black coat is a nightmare and reflects about what Sora was about to become, an organization XIII member.

I been thinking a lot, but I can't say. These are the organization members I would like not that I think will fill the ranks. - Darknesses 1. Master Xehanort 2. Ansem 3. Xemnas 4. Xigbar 5. Xehanort (Terra) 6. Zexion 7. Saix 8. Demyx 9. Luxord 10. Marluxia 11. Larxene 12. Young Xehanort 13. Sora (Alternate version or copy) I'm just going to be imaginative about this one. What if the guardians could each harbor a princess in their hearts and aquaire powers of light to counter xehanort? -Lights 1. Sora -Kairi 2. Riku -Belle 3. Lea -Jasmine 4. King Mickey - Alice 5. Terra - Aurora 6. Aqua - Cinderella 7. Ventus - Snow White * Terra can be restored using the power of the princesses heart. Not neccesarily Xehanort would lose a darkness. * Six of the seven princesses will be guarded except kairi? I think it good that she can defend herself but in any case she would need a guardian.

I don't know. I just want Nomura to reveal who the remaining 7 darknesses are because there is just too much to be left to the imagination and little indication on who these 7 darknesses might be. I have been waiting for quite a while. I find this topic exciting because I just want this organization to clash with the 7 guardians of light to forge the x-blade to unlock kingdom hearts to build a new world were light and darkness are in equal balance. Sounds Utopic. Sometimes I get mind trucked* when I see the candidates people chose who they think the darknesses might be. We know: 1. Mater Xehanort 2. Xemans 3. Ansem 4. Xigbar 5. Saix 6. Young Xehanort ( He might not return because he went back in time to grow into Master Xehanort, We don't know and I'm not sure if he will come back or if he left a time duplicate. If not here is one less member) Possible members: (On my opinion) 7. Terra-Xehanort/ Xehanort Apprentice 8. Vanitas? 9. Marluxia (considered a traitor by many and difficult to be seen as a member because of his treason but if you think about it he is a very dark person and a very good candidate) 10. Luxord 11. Riku (alternate version or replica) 12. Another version of Xehanort ( No Heart; perhaps Xehanort's middle aged version?) 13. Sora (alternate version or replica) Other possibilities: - Larxene (doubt because of treason) - Demyx - New characters - Axel ( Who knows maybe Lea turns into Xehanort's pawn somehow in the next games) Note: Axel not Lea if he were to be possesed by Xehanort. Now the only thing for us to imagine is for all the members to have white or silver hair with yellow eyes and taned skin. Imagine Luxord, Larxene, Demyx, Saix, Lea/ Axel, Marluxia, Riku, Sora with these characteristics. Please comment. What do you think guys?

I think they already have returned to their original state. But perhaps it hasn't been revealed.

"It was decided, my twelve selves would welcome me here on this day and I would return a complete person." -Master Xehanort upon his return in Kingdom Hearts 3D- It was decided... does he mean that there was something of higher power aidding him? Like perhaps the worlds or other unknown dark entities? Who decided; The universe? If someone is able to clarify or comment a thought about this, you are welcome to do so.

That's one of the things I also noticed, there were 10 hooded figures and two other unhooded, these two being Young Xehanort and Xigbar. That makes 12. With Sora that was to become number 13 and with Master Xehanort they would have been 14. If this is the case, then Young Xehanort would not be needed to be there to complete the new organization. Up to that point sound logical, but then again he was seating on one of the thrones of the seekers of darkness with 10 others plus Sora and Master Xehanort. So where did the other member go?

I agree. I know that the next KH game that moves forward in the story will have an explaination for this. But I want to know so badly. I personally hate it when they leave you hanging with a question and they leave you four years waiting for the answer. I hope they don't take that long.

Many people had said that young xehanort has returned to his own timeline to grow into the man that will become the seekers of darkness. But then if he is not going to appear anymore, who will occupy the throne he was seating on? He was number 12 if i'm not mistaken. Could it be possible that he too has transcended time and still grow into Master Xehanort? Like being in two time periods at the same time? I think of it this way: an alternate version has been created, the main version would still continue to do what it would normaly do in time, while the alternate version can do other things in another time period. I think this is also true for Ansem and Xemnas. Anyone who wants to comment, you are free to do so. Please share your ideas, opinions and points of view.

Well, thank you devereauxr for sharing your point of view. After thinking about it I have taken your idea into consideration. Similar to how Ansem SoD did to Riku's body to reshape it into something that resembles himself, Master Xehanort could have engulf Terra's heart or cast it away and could have taken his body and reshape it into his image. He would still have the fortitude and resistence of Terra's body but his essence would still be the same. But i'll still be open to other ideas nevertheless. This is a little off topic but do you think that Terra could use Master Eraqus's body meanwhile to come back?

So how dose my explanation affect that MX is a whole person?

For those of you who debated on this topic, you may no longer be interested. However, after reading the KH 3D ultimania i was lead to believe that Master Xehanort was resurrected via Xehanort's Heartless giving Master Xehanort's powers to his younger self and not as a direct consequence of Ansem and Xemnas destruction. It could have been, since Young Xehanort is MX himself but younger, that this gave YX the ability to reconstruct MX. I've also heard that YX was harboring MX consciousness and by extent his powers so MX could have been in control of the situation the whole time. Perhaps YX was waiting for the right time to make his older version reappear in TWTNW once everything was set. As some of you should already know by the ultimania, some of the members of the 13 seekers of darkness had transcended time, again via YX. Even though Ans and Xmn had been destroyed, they formed personalities and goals of their own as separate beings. This could have been used to bring them back. And at the same time since the Heartless and Nobody counter parts of Terra-Xehanort had been destroyed, he could have been restored. Nomura said that Xehanort and Xigbar aswell as other members from the first organization could have been picked up from their places before the others woke up. So that version of Xehanort was probably among their ranks. On a side note Xigbar and Saix are whole again but retained their Nobody names because they have been, how you say "nortified". That was the purpose of renaming the org members in the first place. -Sorry for all ways making long paragraphs when sharing ideas. -You may have come to the same conclusion on your own.

I would like to clarify something even though this may not be the appropiate place to do so since this is another topic. I've been watching the secret ending of 3D and noticed that Yen Sid mentioned that the light within the X-blade divided into seven to protect the number of pure hearts in the world. The princesses of Heart are not the seven lights that where within the X-blade. I thought that I mention it because there has been some confusion over this.

I completly agree with you about who the 7 lights are. I had my doubts with Kairi and Terra since Kairi is a princess of heart and Terra is one of Xehanort's vessels. But after seeing the secret ending of 3D it can't be any clearer that she is indeed one of the guardians of light and Terra is one of the main characters in BbS so I'd imagine he would either break free, be rescued or who knows, maybe he has been already restored. About the 13 darknesses I do not completly agree with you. But I suppose that there are at least 2 other organization members in addition to Xemnas, Xigbar and Saix. Cause I don't believe that Xemnas went through so much trouble to reclute 13 candidates just to get 2 out of 13. Braig was already on his side so he would have just taken Saix out of the entire organization? I don't think so. Terra- Xehanort is defenitly a member. I disagree that MX is in possession of Terra and Terra- Xehanort, because T-X is already Terra possessed by Xehanort. I agree with Vanitas being one of the members since as you said he is pure darkness. But I'm still pondering about who the remainig members of the organization are. I would want to see the X-blade been forge.

Well YX is a time traveler. He could have been in many places. For what we can see YX has been stalking Sora. Since he attempted to use Sora as his final vessel he has been keeping an eye on him on his first journey, his journey through memories, his data and his voyage through dreams. Then some of the other versions could have learn some faqs about Sora from YX. These goes for 1& 2.3-That is in debate as the fellow member Gambler's Apprentice said Terra exist as Lingering Will, as his heart surpress within his body by MX and as Terra-Xehanort. 4- Dusks are depicted as mischevious creatures in some KH mangas so I wouldn't be surprise if one of them took a truck and crashed it against Memory's Skyscrapper. lol just imagine several dusks overspeeding and bad driving on the roads of the WTNW.

devereauxr, on 09 September 2012 - 07:30 PM, said: Young Xehanort does not revive his other selves he puls them from the past from before they were destroyed. Also your theory about Master Xehanort's past body being revived via Young Xehanort isn't really plausible because he would still need his heart to be recompleted. Read this it will answer your question geocenter Sorry for not answering. I've read what you said and it could be, but that would be so... dissapointing. I understand what you said that Xehanort's influence on Terra's heart could be such that he ended up looking like the old man. Then taking on someone else's body that is young to end up looking like an old man again after ten years, it would have been pointless. This statement can be countered by saying that the purpose of taking someone else's body is to prolong the years of your life, but...I don't know. I'm not sure about that. That would also eliminate Terra-Xehanort as a version of Xehanort. Now I think that it may be possible that after Xehanort's heartless's death Master Xehanort's heart has been restored and went back to his original body and perhaps while still holding a grasp on Terra's body, Terra-Xehanort could have been restored alongside MX. Oh wait know I get! Terra Xehanort becomes Mater Xehanort in 3d YX reclutes newly created Terra-Xehanort. K. But I disagree.

Sorry for not answering. I've read what you said and it could be, but that would be so... dissapointing. I understand what you said that Xehanort's influence on Terra's heart could be such that he ended up looking like the old man. Then taking on someone else's body that is young to end up looking like an old man again after ten years, it would have been pointless. This statement can be countered by saying that the purpose of taking someone else's body is to prolong the years of your life, but...I don't know. I'm not sure about that.That would also eliminate Terra-Xehanort as a version of Xehanort. Now I think that it may be possible that after Xehanort's heartless's death Master Xehanort's heart has been restored and went back to his original body and perhaps while still holding a grasp on Terra's body, Terra-Xehanort could had been restored alongside MX.

Well, i don't know how Young Xehanort using his abilities to revive or reclute other members is actually changing history. But if what i mention above is incorrect then how is Master Xehanort going to summon the 13 darknesses if most of them went back to their original place in time to die or continue their part in history. He has to have a way of summoning 13 incarnations of himself without changing history because otherwise he wouldn't have been able to do so. I don't know if i'm being clear. When Í meant Master Xehanort was of that time period is when he removed his heart to possess Terra. His body and mind faded but they where not gone. His heart was inside Terra. The newely born Terra-Xehanort would continue to make history while YX could have use time reversal on Master Xehanort body to recomplete him. Then relocate his body to TWTNW. It is true what you said, this is only a theory and it may not be accurate. What i'm having trouble with is how could MX be revived instead of Terra-Xehanort. And if so, what happened to the part of him that is Terra?

I also think that YX could time travel to a destination in time and use his time reversal move that he uses in battle to heal his HP to revive diffrent versions of himself. For example: lets say when Xemnas was defeated, YX could have time travel unnoticed to the place where Xemnas was slain and use that move on the location of his death to revive him. That would also explain why some of the organization members where not recomplited. Any comments?

This game can be confusing and a little tricky to understand. My question is did Master Xehanort came back because both Ansem and Xemnas where destroyed or was because when both of them where slain Young Xehanort came into action and brought him back along with all of his incarnations. If it was because merley Ansem and Xemnas where defeated then what happened to his Terra half? Will Terra- Xehanort be revived or has he been picked up from the past to join the new organization? Does this mean Terra is free? Or if YX came into action and recluted him that means there is no Terra-Xehanort in the present because Ansem and Xemnas have been pulled out from their places in time and thus not being able to recomplete Terra-Xehanort. Meaning that Master Xehanort belongs to the time where he was about or after he confronted Terra, Ven and Aqua.