I have searched high and low on this forum but I haven't found this idea anywhere.

When someone with a strong will becomes a heartless, a nobody is also produced. In KH2 we learned that the nobody of that person takes on that persons appearance and has a free will. We also learned in KH2 that the heartless takes on the appearance and also has free will. We learned in BBS that Xemnas and Ansem (heartless) look different because Xehanort/Terra became a heartless and had two hearts. Xemnas resembled Terra, while Ansem resembled a young Xehanort. Also in BBS we learned that the organization members looked the same when they became nobodies but we have yet to see their heartless'.

The idea I'm working towards is that, if Xehanort could split into a heartless and nobody, both with free will and human appearance, who is to say the organization members didn't.

There is a problem with this though. When Sora became a heartless only his nobody took human shape but not the heartless. Why? Was it because his will was not strong enough yet? The idea that Xehanort could split into two beings could be explained by the fact that he had two FULL hearts inside him and Sora, in essence, had one and a half.

 

Thoughts? Arguments? Support?

Only the stronger Nobodies have free will. The lower class ones don't appear to, but they do act on a noticably higher state than Heartless.

 

Heartless act purely on instinct, with the need to claim more hearts to darkness. The only people to ever keep their free will after becoming a Heartless are Sora and Xehanort. Sora turned into a Shadow because he had very little darkness in his heart, while Xehanort had an insane amount (as you can imagine), which could explain why Xehanort retained his human form as a Heartless and Sora didn't.

Heartless dont have free will, they only act on instinct. Sora and Xehanort being exceptions.Xehanort's heartless took human form due to the large amount of darkness inside him. Sora had little darkness, so his heartless took the form of the weakest kind, a shadow.

I'm pretty sure the only reason apprentice Xehanort's heart became a heartless with a personality and stuff is because he gave up his heart willingly and pretty much wanted to become a heartless. And plus he didn't really have a human appearance, he just looked like somone wearing a brown cloak. The only time he had a human appearance is when he possesed Riku's body and was able to change it to make it resemble what he looked like before he became a heartless.

i have 3 things to say.

1:sora turned into a shadow cause he had little darkness in his heart

2:Xahanort heartless came out like that cause he had a buttload of darkness in his heart

3:what does this have to do with KH3D?

i have 3 things to say.

1:sora turned into a shadow cause he had little darkness in his heart

2:Xahanort heartless came out like that cause he had a buttload of darkness in his heart

3:what does this have to do with KH3D?

 

Pretty much summed it up, but I'll add some more detail.

 

Heartless do infact use instinct, and how much darkness in their hearts determines the form and power of a Heartless. Instinct, however, really determines as well.

 

Sora had only little darkness, and had mostly light, so he turned into a Shadow. But because he kept his emotions and feelings as a Heartless, he was able to think. When he met up with Kairi, Donald, and Goofy, he didn't attack them. Basically, it shows that he is able be to be free willed, and act as if he's human.

 

Xehanort had a lot of darkness (this is where we blame MX), and thus, he able not only able to become humanoid, he had a free will. But I think instinct kind of messed him up. For example, he thought KH was full of darkness, even though Vanitas said there was light in KH. Contradiction, especially since both are full of darkness (regardless of Heartless or not). Then again, there was this Door to Darkness stuff going on.

 

Who knows how the Organization's Heartless will turn out, if they made an appearence. Honestly, I always thought they were just Heartless like Shadow, Giga Shadow, Invisible, etc. I still do, since if you saw some of the Somebodies, they act pretty normal. But that's because Appretince Xehanort and Xigbar convinced them to help them, in their experiments so really they shouldn't be having humanoid Heartless with wills unless of Xehanort and Xigbar. Also, Xigbar may have a humanoid Heartless as well because of MX.

 

I don't see how this involves KH3D if you gave an explaination. Unless your talking about the Organization's Heartless possibility of being in 3D, then maybe, but I highly HIGHLY doubt it. There's no reason to fight a bunch of Heartless. And even if there was, what would Sora and Riku get out of it?

I have searched high and low on this forum but I haven't found this idea anywhere.

When someone with a strong will becomes a heartless, a nobody is also produced.

More specifically a strong heart, but whatever.

 

In KH2 we learned that the nobody of that person takes on that persons appearance and has a free will.

Essentially yes. The Nobody will begin to act about with a will of their own. And it's a given that they'd look alike since the Nobody and the Somebody have the same body.

 

We also learned in KH2 that the heartless takes on the appearance and also has free will.

That varies on the amount of darkness you have. Take Sora, who had little darkness, and produced a Shadow, whereas Ansem SoD, who had a ton of darkness, was able to retain a seemingly humanlike form. However, only these two, with strong hearts chosen by the Keyblade, retained their minds and feelings. All other Heartless instead act upon primal instinct.

 

We learned in BBS that Xemnas and Ansem (heartless) look different because Xehanort/Terra became a heartless and had two hearts.

Three, but I digress. If anything it's more like, Master Xehanort, being the dominant heart amongst the three, was able to reshape Riku's body to take on more of his own physical qualities (as a young man obviously), compared to Xemnas, who has Terra's body.

 

Xemnas resembled Terra, while Ansem resembled a young Xehanort. Also in BBS we learned that the organization members looked the same when they became nobodies but we have yet to see their heartless'.

Again, the two share the same bodies. Roxas, Namine, and Xemnas are all special Nobodies, so they are the exception and look different.

 

The idea I'm working towards is that, if Xehanort could split into a heartless and nobody, both with free will and human appearance, who is to say the organization members didn't.

Because they don't have strong hearts chosen by the Keyblade. I mean, considering only Apprentice Xehanort and Sora were able to, it's not that difficult to make the connection. Also, Axel and Larxene's conversation in CoM pretty much explained it.

 

There is a problem with this though. When Sora became a heartless only his nobody took human shape but not the heartless. Why?

Sora barely had any darkness in him. The appearance of a person's Heartless varies depending on how much darkness they have.

 

Was it because his will was not strong enough yet? The idea that Xehanort could split into two beings could be explained by the fact that he had two FULL hearts inside him and Sora, in essence, had one and a half.

Again, AX had three, not two. As for the rest of the question, please read above.

i have 3 things to say.

1:sora turned into a shadow cause he had little darkness in his heart

2:Xahanort heartless came out like that cause he had a buttload of darkness in his heart

3:what does this have to do with KH3D?

 

if u saw the secrect ending to coded, at the end yen sid tells micky to bring sora & riku to him so that they can take the mark of mastery test. so mabe KH3D could be sora & riku taking the exam. but that depends on the timeline KH3D takes place in. plus I perfer the mark of mastery exam between sora & riku to take place in KHIII.

ok I can understand Xehanort/terra, but who's the 3rd?

 

Eraqus.