ok so if u beat a person's heartlees and nobody this person will come back right? so what if a person doesn't have a strong heart and becomes a heartless with no nobody. u kill the heartless and the person will be gone for good right?

Yes, a heartless has to be defeated first then the nobody and you have that origional person back. And that person can come back regardless how strong or weak that heart is.

Yes, a heartless has to be defeated first then the nobody and you have that origional person back. And that person can come back regardless how strong or weak that heart is.

 

so ur saying if a person only makes a heartless they can still come back, how so =(

No, I mean that when you have a heartless, you have a nobody as well. So, if your heart is strong enough, then you will be able to have a nobody as well. LIke how Sora's nobody came to be for example, Sora's heart was strong enough to produce his nobody, Roxas.

ok so if u beat a person's heartlees and nobody this person will come back right?

Essentially. Defeating a person's Heartless and Nobody will bring back the original person.

 

so what if a person doesn't have a strong heart and becomes a heartless with no nobody. u kill the heartless and the person will be gone for good right?

No. Upon defeating the Heartless, the heart will rejoin with its once extinguished body, whichever world it may be on.

ok so if u beat a person's heartlees and nobody this person will come back right? so what if a person doesn't have a strong heart and becomes a heartless with no nobody. u kill the heartless and the person will be gone for good right?

 

Yeah, what KH125 and Reversal said. But, one question is what if you get killed without producing a Heartless or a Nobody?

 

I believe things like the Vanitas Remnant are the answer to that.

 

ok so if u beat a person's heartlees and nobody this person will come back right? so what if a person doesn't have a strong heart and becomes a heartless with no nobody. u kill the heartless and the person will be gone for good right?

 

Yeah, what KH125 and Reversal said. But, one question is what if you get killed without producing a Heartless or a Nobody?

 

I believe things like the Vanitas Remnant are the answer to that.

 

Actually, a Remnat is only sentiments and remains of what was left of a person. Vanitas's Remnant was created due to Vanitas's negative feelings. So it's seems unlikely to get killed without producing a heartless and nobody. But I know what you mean, and to tell you the truth, you would just be gone forever.

Nah, I think the V.R. is something different than a Sentiment. Thus the names "Lingering Spirit" and then "Remnant", both of the names hinting that he is a ghost. But Nomura hasn't touched on this, so idk.

No, I mean that when you have a heartless, you have a nobody as well. So, if your heart is strong enough, then you will be able to have a nobody as well. LIke how Sora's nobody came to be for example, Sora's heart was strong enough to produce his nobody, Roxas.

 

You sorta contradicted yourself. You don't always have a Nobody. Only those with strong hearts produce Nobodies. If you have a weak heart, you only produce a Heartless.

 

No, I mean that when you have a heartless, you have a nobody as well. So, if your heart is strong enough, then you will be able to have a nobody as well. LIke how Sora's nobody came to be for example, Sora's heart was strong enough to produce his nobody, Roxas.

 

You sorta contradicted yourself. You don't always have a Nobody. Only those with strong hearts produce Nobodies. If you have a weak heart, you only produce a Heartless.

 

I could've sworn that in the KHII secret reports (or whatever they're called) it said that EVERYONE has a Nobody.

Nah, I think the V.R. is something different than a Sentiment. Thus the names "Lingering Spirit" and then "Remnant", both of the names hinting that he is a ghost. But Nomura hasn't touched on this, so idk.

 

yeah, true on that. Allow me to explain things of what i am trying to say.

 

A sentiment is just what is left of a person. A sentiment is more of a person's thoughts and feelings of what their former selves used to feel. Kinda like Terra's Lingering Sentiment for exaple. It was created because of how Terra felt (which was anger and hate) towards master xehanort for killing his "father" and pretty much after Xehanort took-over Terra's body, which caused his sentiments to remain inside his armor.

 

A Remnant is more of a wondering spirit that is kinda similiar to how a Lingering Sentiment is made. Only except Vanitas's Remnant got created because of his negative emotions. he didn't need any armor to be created the way Terra's sentiment did in a way.

 

Is that much more clearer for you?

 

 

@TerranortXIII, that's basicly what i was talking about. You just re-stated what I meant.

Yeah I get what you mean, and it makes sense, I just don't remember reading anywhere about exactly how the VR was created (the negative emotions and stuff). Nomura hasn't said one thing about its creation.

Okay, let me add to this discussion.

 

When a person submits to the darkness, their heart becomes a heartless. Once defeated, the heartless releases the heart, which gathers up with other hearts to create Kingdom Hearts. If this person had a strong heart and will, the leftover body of the person becomes a Nobody. If the Heartless and the Nobody are slain in the correct order, then the person comes back. Capisce?

 

Here's where the speculation comes in. What happens when the person's Heartless and Nobody are NOT slain in the correct order? And what happens to the person if their heartless is slain, and they don't have a Npbody because their heart was weak?

Okay, let me add to this discussion.

 

When a person submits to the darkness, their heart becomes a heartless. Once defeated, the heartless releases the heart, which gathers up with other hearts to create Kingdom Hearts.

Actually, if the body and soul didn't become a Nobody, the heart will rejoin with its once extinguished body, no matter which world it's on. If the body and soul did become a Nobody and the Heartless is defeated first, the heart will wait in a state of suspended animation until it is able to rejoin with its corresponding half.

 

If this person had a strong heart and will, the leftover body and soul of the person becomes a Nobody. If the Heartless and the Nobody are slain in the correct order, then the person comes back. Capisce?

Fix'd. And order doesn't matter. It could still work the other way around.

 

Here's where the speculation comes in. What happens when the person's Heartless and Nobody are NOT slain in the correct order? And what happens to the person if their heartless is slain, and they don't have a Npbody because their heart was weak?

There is no order. All Nomura said was that the Nobody being defeated before the Heartless would make things a bit more complicated, not that it throws the possibility of the Somebody's return completely out the window. Eh, actually I'm just going to copy/paste the quote from Another Report directly so people will actually read it.

 

VIII - When the heartless are defeated, what becomes of the stolen hearts? Also, when members of Organization XIII and other Nobodies are defeated, do they return to their original form?

 

When heartless are defeated, essentially the owner's hearts are rejoined with their once extenguished body, whichever world it may be on. As for the whereabouts of hearts in KHII that turn up, this time they remarkably went to the organization (there is a foot note here that says "In Kingdom Hearts II after heartless were defeated, the many hearts were absorbed by the Kingdom Hearts of "people's hearts"). However, in the rare case that the body changed into a Nobody, when there is no container for the heart it resorts to a state of suspension.

 

In the case of a Nobody being defeated, it's a little more complicated. If the above mentioned hearts are liberated, they return to their original form. However, if the heart is still stolen by the heartless, the Nobody's body is swallowed by darkness. If somewhere in the world their hearts are taken back, perhaps they might be able to return to their original human form.

so even if u dont produce a heartless or nobody u get a sentiment to people really dont die in kh wow

so even if u dont produce a heartless or nobody u get a sentiment to people really dont die in kh wow

 

Um no. If anything, Sentiments are the most difficult to produce, and the only two we've seen so far have been of Keyblade wielders, one of which is a Keyblade Master in all but name >.>

 

Also, you're taking that line out of context.

so even if u dont produce a heartless or nobody u get a sentiment to people really dont die in kh wow

 

No, that's not what people mean. A sentiment has to be created if their "sentiments" (which is their thoughts, feelings, ect) is left behind in any way. In which case, Vanitas and his Remnant have gave an example of.

Everyone creates a Heartless and a Nobody. But those with strong hearts retain their individuality. Organization XIII is comprised of those that became Nobodies yet retained their original form. There are lesser Nobodies, such as the Husks.

Everyone creates a Heartless and a Nobody. But those with strong hearts retain their individuality. Organization XIII is comprised of those that became Nobodies yet retained their original form. There are lesser Nobodies, such as the Husks.

 

Well, i wouldn't really say "everyone" can create a heartless and nobody. Only those with strong hearts can create a heartless and a nobody.

 

p.s. you spelled "Dusks" wrong lol.

Waaaiiitttt. I thought only certain people had nobodies. Not everyone has a nobody, right? So those people without a nobody... how do they get redeemed?

Waaaiiitttt. I thought only certain people had nobodies. Not everyone has a nobody, right?

Right. Only strong hearted people who've lost their hearts to the darkness and become Heartless have also created Nobodies.

 

So those people without a nobody... how do they get redeemed?

Can you scroll up a bit and read the excerpt from Another Report? That explains everything. So, once again, if a Nobody wasn't produced, once the Heartless is defeated, the heart will rejoin with its once extinguished body (and soul), whichever world it may be on.

 

Maybe the bold will make it stand out and more likely to be read? -is hopeful-

 

Yes, a heartless has to be defeated first then the nobody and you have that origional person back. And that person can come back regardless how strong or weak that heart is.

 

so ur saying if a person only makes a heartless they can still come back, how so =(

 

a persons always has a nobody (hense all the dusk and what not) but not everyone has nobodies like the org. XIII. right o.o?

a persons always has a nobody (hense all the dusk and what not) but not everyone has nobodies like the org. XIII. right o.o?

 

Only those with strong hearts will produce a Nobody, lesser or not. Organization XIII is just the strongest of the Nobodies, the best of the best.

 

 

Yes, a heartless has to be defeated first then the nobody and you have that origional person back. And that person can come back regardless how strong or weak that heart is.

 

so ur saying if a person only makes a heartless they can still come back, how so =(

 

a persons always has a nobody (hense all the dusk and what not) but not everyone has nobodies like the org. XIII. right o.o?

 

Actually, as Reversal said, a nobody can only be created from a strong heart. The reason why Org. XIII still looked similiar to tneir former selves was because they all had strong enough hearts.

 

Waaaiiitttt. I thought only certain people had nobodies. Not everyone has a nobody, right?

Right. Only strong hearted people who've lost their hearts to the darkness and become Heartless have also created Nobodies.

 

So those people without a nobody... how do they get redeemed?

Can you scroll up a bit and read the excerpt from Another Report? That explains everything. So, once again, if a Nobody wasn't produced, once the Heartless is defeated, the heart will rejoin with its once extinguished body (and soul), whichever world it may be on.

 

Maybe the bold will make it stand out and more likely to be read? -is hopeful-

 

Haha, right on. So despite having stronger hearts and gaining nobodys, it's harder for them to be redeemed. What a scam for those people!

I can't believe that this needs to be ask but.. how does a person die for good in the kh universe?