You know how at the end of the TGS trailer you see Xehanort kill Braig. What I think happened was Terranort wanted revenge and killed Ansem the Wise's two favorite disciples, then he killed his partner Briag, and started the Organization XIII. Parts of Terra became Xemnas, and parts of Xehanort became Ansem. This would make sense, because if you saw Blank Points you would notice that Ansem the Wise and Ienzo look at Terranort, and it's shown that Braig is his partner. This is a cutscene showing how the Organization XIII was made, and why it was. It was all an experiment Terranort wanted to do on the heart, he wanted to see if their Heartless would make another form, the Nobodies, and what I said above, revenge, and to start a group. In KH2, Terranort came up to Ansem the Wise and he told him "No" or something. Wouldn't it make sense if by doing this, it was to go against him and his disciples? This is just my theory and I have confirmed nothing. What do you think? I always found the end of that trailer odd, and if you watch the 1000 Heartless scene and Blank Points, it makes that part stranger.

No... just.... no. This theory is full of mistakes which make it more than implausible.

 

Terranort just got his memories back... that's why he could wield his Keyblade and that's why Braig says "Have your memories returned?".

Maybe he struck them down in his rage while realizing that he couldn't execute his plan 10 years ealier. Maybe he knew about the fact that Nobodies are born after turning strong people into heartless to make a powerful little army. You will not know until the game is out.

 

But one thing is sure. Parts of Terra didn't become Xemnas and parts of Xehanort didn't become Ansem. Terranort lost his heart to darkness and turned into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. In the exact moment where that happened Xemnas was born as Terranort's Nobody.

No... just.... no. This theory is full of mistakes which make it more than implausible.

 

Terranort just got his memories back... that's why he could wield his Keyblade and that's why Braig says "Have your memories returned?".

Maybe he struck them down in his rage while realizing that he couldn't execute his plan 10 years ealier. Maybe he knew about the fact that Nobodies are born after turning strong people into heartless to make a powerful little army. You will not know until the game is out.

 

But one thing is sure. Parts of Terra didn't become Xemnas and parts of Xehanort didn't become Ansem. Terranort lost his heart to darkness and turned into Ansem, Seeker of Darkness. In the exact moment where that happened Xemnas was born as Terranort's Nobody.

 

No Xemnas has parts of Terra. Notice how in KH2 FM he sees Aqua's armor and says that he is going to see his "friend." I don't mean that they became them, but some of them went into their Nobody. I know that's why. If you see the 1000 Heartless battle and Blank Points he does go into a rage in the TGS trailer. Ansem the Wise wouldn't let him experiment and he wanted to see what would happen if a Heartless formed into something else, so he killed Braig, Even, and Ienzo. After seeing that he could turn them into Nobodies he killed every disciple and made the Organization XIII. What's so bad about that theory?

No Xemnas has parts of Terra. Notice how in KH2 FM he sees Aqua's armor and says that he is going to see his "friend." I don't mean that they became them, but some of them went into their Nobody. I know that's why. If you see the 1000 Heartless battle and Blank Points he does go into a rage in the TGS trailer. Ansem the Wise wouldn't let him experiment and he wanted to see what would happen if a Heartless formed into something else, so he killed Braig, Even, and Ienzo. After seeing that he could turn them into Nobodies he killed every disciple and made the Organization XIII. What's so bad about that theory?

 

It's a lot deeper then remnants that are left behind share traits with their oringinal being assuming Terra-Xehanort had his memory back or even lost it in the first place then Xemans being the nobody would have memories of both Terra ,Xehanort as well as Eraqus.It is possible that Xemnas could have either Eraqus' or Terra's hearts. One would imagine that Xehanort's heartless would be solely controlled by Master Xehanort. However there are a few subtle hints that indicate otherwise. One Xehanort's Heartless looks like Aprentice Xehanort the combined hearts of eraqus,Terra,and Master Xehanort. Two Xehanort's Heartless went back to Destiny Islands of all the points made in the series is that a the chains of limitation do not sit well with one who has a strong heart. We seen this with Ventus,Riku and Master Xehanort. So why would some who sought so hard to escape that particular world would he go back.This brings me to my third point Xehanort's heartless sought out riku notice that instead of possesing sora who had just proved himself to have a stronger heart the riku he sought out riku. I also think there is more to Aprentice Xehanort stabbing braig,Ienzo, and Even so my question is what did they know or find about Ansem the wise's experiments on Xehanort (remember Even and Ienzo played a key role in his experiments) I also believe that both Xehanort and Ansem the were aware of the existence of nobodies and the circumstances necessary for them to be created.

You know how at the end of the TGS trailer you see Xehanort kill Braig. What I think happened was Terranort wanted revenge and killed Ansem the Wise's two favorite disciples, then he killed his partner Briag, and started the Organization XIII. Parts of Terra became Xemnas, and parts of Xehanort became Ansem. This would make sense, because if you saw Blank Points you would notice that Ansem the Wise and Ienzo look at Terranort, and it's shown that Braig is his partner. This is a cutscene showing how the Organization XIII was made, and why it was. It was all an experiment Terranort wanted to do on the heart, he wanted to see if their Heartless would make another form, the Nobodies, and what I said above, revenge, and to start a group. In KH2, Terranort came up to Ansem the Wise and he told him "No" or something. Wouldn't it make sense if by doing this, it was to go against him and his disciples? This is just my theory and I have confirmed nothing. What do you think? I always found the end of that trailer odd, and if you watch the 1000 Heartless scene and Blank Points, it makes that part stranger.

 

I'm pretty sure that scene takes place after KHII. Since all Ansem seeker of darkness & Xemans have been defeated, Terranort has been reverted to being human. And yes I agree, his memories must be returning. I'd say its Terra's memories, but who knows. We shall have to wait and see.

I'm pretty sure Xehanort just wanted to wear an uber cool black robe, and wanted all his buddies to join in.

I'm pretty sure that scene takes place after KHII. Since all Ansem seeker of darkness & Xemans have been defeated, Terranort has been reverted to being human. And yes I agree, his memories must be returning. I'd say its Terra's memories, but who knows. We shall have to wait and see.

 

No it takes place before KH I when Ienzo, Even and Braig are still apprentices of Ansem the Wise. You can tell that by their appearance. Ienzo is still a child (In the new extended trailer you can see him when he became a somebody again and he looks as old as Zexion.).

No it takes place before KH I when Ienzo, Even and Braig are still apprentices of Ansem the Wise. You can tell that by their appearance. Ienzo is still a child (In the new extended trailer you can see him when he became a somebody again and he looks as old as Zexion.).

 

Oh yeah I forgot about little Ienzo. Are you sure that he is a kid? It could just be a bad angle. Hmmm... IDK. I had assumed that it was in the present due to Terranorts 1st Person view. So we cant see what color hair he has.

Get revenge on Ansem the Wise for doing what? Why would Apprentice Xehanort want revenge? Because he didn't let him carry out his experiments? All of Ansem's apprentices went behind his back and betrayld him. Why would Apprentice Xehanort kill Even and Ienzo to get revenge on Ansem when those two where on Xehanort's side?

Get revenge on Ansem the Wise for doing what? Why would Apprentice Xehanort want revenge? Because he didn't let him carry out his experiments? All of Ansem's apprentices went behind his back and betrayld him. Why would Apprentice Xehanort kill Even and Ienzo to get revenge on Ansem when those two where on Xehanort's side?

 

Actually, you're wrong. Ienzo and Even were on Ansem the Wise's side. Ienzo told Ansem to make the experiments and make the prisons for the test subjects to extract the darkness out of their hearts. Terranort was just the Apprentice. If you played KH2, you would see a flashback where Ansem denies Xehanort to go through with the experiment. Since Ienzo and Even are close to Ansem, as you can see in Blank Points, Terranort killed them, not just for revenge but for not being able to experiment, but to also, in a weird way, do the experiment that he was denied, by killing Ienzo and Even to betray and get revenge on Ansem the Wise, and ironically to test his experiments on the heart. Braig was then killed, because of course he was upset and wanted to make a group, which then became the Organization XIII. Makes sense?

Either what Grimmjow said, or he just "killed" them for the lawz

No it takes place before KH I when Ienzo, Even and Braig are still apprentices of Ansem the Wise. You can tell that by their appearance. Ienzo is still a child (In the new extended trailer you can see him when he became a somebody again and he looks as old as Zexion.).

 

I just said that. I know it takes place before KH 1!

I just said that. I know it takes place before KH 1!

 

I wasn't talking to you. I was correcting Greymon57.... why do you think I quoted him?

Actually, you're wrong. Ienzo and Even were on Ansem the Wise's side.

At first all the apprentices were on Ansem's side, but later on after being denided to continue their research they all went against him and banished him to the Realm of Nothingness.

 

Ienzo told Ansem to make the experiments and make the prisons for the test subjects to extract the darkness out of their hearts.

Yes, Ienzo was the one who asked Ansem to constructed a massive laboratory in the basement of the castle. However, Ansem was completely unawere of what all the apprentices were doing down there.

When Ansem found out he ordered them to destroy the results and to not continue with the experiments.

 

Terranort was just the Apprentice.

Xehanort, Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus and Ienzo was Ansem's apprentices. What's your point here?

 

If you played KH2, you would see a flashback where Ansem denies Xehanort to go through with the experiment.

If you had read the Secret Ansem Reports you would know that Ansem was betrayled by all of his apprentices.

Take a look at this quote by Ansem in one of his reporst: "My heart is being overcome with hatred toward my apprentices, possessed by the darkness, and with the anger I feel for stupidly allowing myself to be betrayed."

 

 

Since Ienzo and Even are close to Ansem, as you can see in Blank Points, Terranort killed them, not just for revenge but for not being able to experiment, but to also, in a weird way, do the experiment that he was denied, by killing Ienzo and Even to betray and get revenge on Ansem the Wise, and ironically to test his experiments on the heart.

1. Xehanort was just as close to Ansem as those two were. Xehanort was Ansem most favorite apprentice.

2. We don't know what really happened to Ienzo and Even at the end of KH3D's TGS Trailer. We can only assume but not say anything as a fact. We definitely have absolutely no proff for Xehanort killing anyone for the sake of getting revenge. And it doesn't make sense for Xehanort to kill Even and Ienzo to get revenge on Ansem. He doesn't get any revenge from doing so.

3. Just kill the guy denying you the freedom to experiment. Why kill the others? It doesn't make sense. Besides, Xehanort did this eventually, he and the others banished him to the Realm of Nothingness. Xehanort and the rest did this.

4. If Even and Ienzo actually was on Ansem's side and Xehanort killed them for it, why would they join the Organization later on?

 

Braig was then killed, because of course he was upset and wanted to make a group, which then became the Organization XIII. Makes sense?

That makes no sense what so ever!

 

Braig: I want to make a group and stuff. Please Xehanort can we make a group together?

Xehanort: Die!

Later:

Xigbar: Yes! We're now a group.

 

Do you see how that makes no sense? KH3D hasn't been released yet. Nobody knows what happens in the scene at the end of the TGS trailer. Stop saying things as if they're facts. I know this was suppose to be some kind of theory of yours but, it's starting to sound like that these are things you believe to be facts.

^ I love you for having true facts

At first all the apprentices were on Ansem's side, but later on after being denided to continue their research they all went against him and banished him to the Realm of Nothingness.

 

 

Yes, Ienzo was the one who asked Ansem to constructed a massive laboratory in the basement of the castle. However, Ansem was completely unawere of what all the apprentices were doing down there.

When Ansem found out he ordered them to destroy the results and to not continue with the experiments.

 

 

Xehanort, Braig, Dilan, Even, Aeleus and Ienzo was Ansem's apprentices. What's your point here?

 

 

If you had read the Secret Ansem Reports you would know that Ansem was betrayled by all of his apprentices.

Take a look at this quote by Ansem in one of his reporst: "My heart is being overcome with hatred toward my apprentices, possessed by the darkness, and with the anger I feel for stupidly allowing myself to be betrayed."

 

 

 

1. Xehanort was just as close to Ansem as those two were. Xehanort was Ansem most favorite apprentice.

2. We don't know what really happened to Ienzo and Even at the end of KH3D's TGS Trailer. We can only assume but not say anything as a fact. We definitely have absolutely no proff for Xehanort killing anyone for the sake of getting revenge. And it doesn't make sense for Xehanort to kill Even and Ienzo to get revenge on Ansem. He doesn't get any revenge from doing so.

3. Just kill the guy denying you the freedom to experiment. Why kill the others? It doesn't make sense. Besides, Xehanort did this eventually, he and the others banished him to the Realm of Nothingness. Xehanort and the rest did this.

4. If Even and Ienzo actually was on Ansem's side and Xehanort killed them for it, why would they join the Organization later on?

 

 

That makes no sense what so ever!

 

Braig: I want to make a group and stuff. Please Xehanort can we make a group together?

Xehanort: Die!

Later:

Xigbar: Yes! We're now a group.

 

Do you see how that makes no sense? KH3D hasn't been released yet. Nobody knows what happens in the scene at the end of the TGS trailer. Stop saying things as if they're facts. I know this was suppose to be some kind of theory of yours but, it's starting to sound like that these are things you believe to be facts.

 

You are the only one on this forum who actually knows anything about the series. Wow. Out of everyone on a forum about KH, no one knows a thing about the series. Everyone just says that they're fans, but that's fake.

 

I know, I read the Secret Ansem Reports and I remember the dialogue with Xehanort and Ansem, plus Xemnas. I remember when they sided together.

You are the only one on this forum who actually knows anything about the series. Wow. Out of everyone on a forum about KH, no one knows a thing about the series. Everyone just says that they're fans, but that's fake.

 

I know, I read the Secret Ansem Reports and I remember the dialogue with Xehanort and Ansem, plus Xemnas. I remember when they sided together.

 

That's very rude from you, saying that the other people aren't fans, and you didn't say anything that had minimum fact at all.

You are the only one on this forum who actually knows anything about the series. Wow. Out of everyone on a forum about KH, no one knows a thing about the series. Everyone just says that they're fans, but that's fake.

Ehm... There's a bunch of other people here which knows a lot about the series too. You can aslo be a fan of something and barely know anything about it. For an example: You played KH, you enjoyed it, in reality misunderstood everything and don't know shit about the series but, you still enjoyed and thus, you're a fan.

That's very rude from you, saying that the other people aren't fans, and you didn't say anything that had minimum fact at all.

 

YA! I AGREE! have u played KH DDD? NO ONE KNOWS WAT HAPPENED! sure we can all make assumptions but i would think from a "fan" like you you would know how nomura is and how he can change things and play tricks on our minds so before u can tell people there wrong maybe u should play the game.

I may be alone in thinking this way, but I will stick to my position of this happening after KH2. Im sorry, but after re-watching the scene several times, Ienzo's height is uncertain to me. I dont think that it is in fact a child, he could be an adult. I think the fact that Even is laying down on a different angle creates an optical illusion. In KH Re:CoM, Ienzo is about a foot shorter than Even.so if Ienzo is lying down at an angle that is directly in front of Terranort's view, then his body would appear as if it shrunk. Think of it like a pencil. If you look at it from a top down view, it will not seem as long as if you look at it from its side. So thats what is happening here, Ienzo is seen from top down, while Even lies perpendicular to him thus creating the illusion.

 

I know most of you wont agree but darn it, I'm sticking by my statement until proven wrong.

I may be alone in thinking this way, but I will stick to my position of this happening after KH2. Im sorry, but after re-watching the scene several times, Ienzo's height is uncertain to me. I dont think that it is in fact a child, he could be an adult. I think the fact that Even is laying down on a different angle creates an optical illusion. In KH Re:CoM, Ienzo is about a foot shorter than Even.so if Ienzo is lying down at an angle that is directly in front of Terranort's view, then his body would appear as if it shrunk. Think of it like a pencil. If you look at it from a top down view, it will not seem as long as if you look at it from its side. So thats what is happening here, Ienzo is seen from top down, while Even lies perpendicular to him thus creating the illusion.

 

I know most of you wont agree but darn it, I'm sticking by my statement until proven wrong.

 

ummm i know this wont change your opinion but i just watched the trailer and the way xehanort glanced at them u can tell Ienzo is still a kid you can practicly see his whole body. it took me awhile and i can see where your coming from but i think he's still again but hey i could be wrong.

ummm i know this wont change your opinion but i just watched the trailer and the way xehanort glanced at them u can tell Ienzo is still a kid you can practicly see his whole body. it took me awhile and i can see where your coming from but i think he's still again but hey i could be wrong.

 

Guess who was right? I was Ienzo IS an Adult.

 

Ienzo and Even were never killed, nobody in KH is murdered. I think the theory loses steam there, but Ienzo and Even were very loyal to Ansem the Wise until Xehanort corrupts them and convinces them to sway Ansem the Wise into doing the experiments. Xehanort had very little knowledge of heartless or nobodies. If you read Ansem Report 13 which is found in KH1 final mix, you know that Ansem SoD (Xehanort's heartless) discovers there must be nobodies. He had no idea what happened to a heart if it fell into the darkness. So after he (Xehanort) turned into a heartless he questioned if the body and soul formed together to make another being as well. He called them "non-existent" ones. Remember MX had no idea about the heartless or very little about what would happen if he became a heartless because of the fact he was able to control his darkness (which explains the Guardian). So, not until he took over Terra who had trouble controlling the darkness was he truly able to capitalize on his heartless experiment which was really about extracting darkness to form the X-Blade.