I'm kinda confused on how Sora becomes a heartless and then turns back to human again. I know he finds the light because of Kairi, but my question is if Roxas was born then and he is Sora's body/soul then how can Sora regain his body without Roxas rejoining him?

I'm kinda confused on how Sora becomes a heartless and then turns back to human again. I know he finds the light because of Kairi, but my question is if Roxas was born then and he is Sora's body/soul then how can Sora regain his body without Roxas rejoining him?

 

Nobody knows.

I think that Roxas was supposed to have Sora's body but sora became a human again too quickly for his body to form, or Roxas had ventus heart and not Sora's.

 

If its not that, then I dont know.

Maybe after releasing Kairi's heart, he still had Ventus's heart inside of him right?

or did kairi and vens hearts combine...?

I'M SOOOO CONFUSED!!!!!!!

Sora became a heartless, Roxas was created, Sora finds Kairi, they hug, Sora gets body-like shell because his body is gone, Sora is a walking heartless till KH2. The End!

Maybe Kairi gives Sora some of her Light.

Sora became a heartless, Roxas was created, Sora finds Kairi, they hug, Sora gets body-like shell because his body is gone, Sora is a walking heartless till KH2. The End!

 

This. except Sora wasn't a walking heartless per se, a heartless is a being of darkness and Kairi had "cleansed" Sora of the darkness, thus turning him back to normal-ish.

 

No one really knows the extent of the powers of th PoH, so it's unclear as to what exactly Sora was through out the end of KH 1, all of CoM, and until Roxas merged with Sora at the beginning of KH2.

 

I think his body was made of the light from Kairi's heart, but it was of course solid.

This. except Sora wasn't a walking heartless per se, a heartless is a being of darkness and Kairi had "cleansed" Sora of the darkness, thus turning him back to normal-ish.

 

No one really knows the extent of the powers of th PoH, so it's unclear as to what exactly Sora was through out the end of KH 1, all of CoM, and until Roxas merged with Sora at the beginning of KH2.

 

I think his body was made of the light from Kairi's heart, but it was of course solid.

 

Actually In CoM , Axel states specifically that Sora was a walking heartless in human form and says that hes only the second one ever known besides Ansem SoD to take that form

Actually In CoM , Axel states specifically that Sora was a walking heartless in human form and says that hes only the second one ever known besides Ansem SoD to take that form

 

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Actually In CoM , Axel states specifically that Sora was a walking heartless in human form and says that hes only the second one ever known besides Ansem SoD to take that form

 

That may be, but I still don't believe that Sora was a heartless like Ansem SoD. bc Ansem SoD was made from the darkness within Xehanorts heart(s), so he was a true heartless. But Kairi's heart some how changed Sora's heart from a Heartless back to his normal heart.

That may be, but I still don't believe that Sora was a heartless like Ansem SoD. bc Ansem SoD was made from the darkness within Xehanorts heart(s), so he was a true heartless. But Kairi's heart some how changed Sora's heart from a Heartless back to his normal heart.

 

It doesnt matter if you define it in your head that way , the cannon term for what Sora is is still a walking heartless. This is stated in game . So thats what he is.LOL .When something is directly stated In game to be something , thats what it is. Sorry..lol

That may be, but I still don't believe that Sora was a heartless like Ansem SoD. bc Ansem SoD was made from the darkness within Xehanorts heart(s), so he was a true heartless. But Kairi's heart some how changed Sora's heart from a Heartless back to his normal heart.

 

Think of it this way Ansem SOD did not have a definitive form or human shell until he used riku as an intermediary sora used kairi in the same way to create a human like shell.

Think of it this way Ansem SOD did not have a definitive form or human shell until he used riku as an intermediary sora used kairi in the same way to create a human like shell.

 

yep this too... but the most important point is that sora was directly compared in game to have been the exact same special form as Ansem ..Stated by Axel himself..

yep this too... but the most important point is that sora was directly compared in game to have been the exact same special form as Ansem ..Stated by Axel himself..

 

Actually, the only thing Axel said was that Sora maintained his feelings and memories while he was a Heartless, like Ansem SoD.

 

Think of it this way Ansem SOD did not have a definitive form or human shell until he used riku as an intermediary sora used kairi in the same way to create a human like shell.

 

Yes, this is partly what I am trying to say, except that once Kairi gave Sora this "intermediary body", she also changed him back form a heartless.

 

I'm saying that Sora was a walking Heart. While Ansem SoD was a humanoid Heartless.

Actually, the only thing Axel said was that Sora maintained his feelings and memories while he was a Heartless, like Ansem SoD.

 

 

 

Yes, this is partly what I am trying to say, except that once Kairi gave Sora this "intermediary body", she also changed him back form a heartless.

 

I'm saying that Sora was a walking Heart. While Ansem SoD was a humanoid Heartless.

 

It's the same thing both Ansem SOD and Sora were considered special classes of heartless just as roxas and xemnas are considered special classes of nobody. Essentially they are heartless and nobodies but carry specific charateristic that would otherwise characterize them diferently when if fact they are.

Actually, the only thing Axel said was that Sora maintained his feelings and memories while he was a Heartless, like Ansem SoD.

 

 

 

Yes, this is partly what I am trying to say, except that once Kairi gave Sora this "intermediary body", she also changed him back form a heartless.

 

I'm saying that Sora was a walking Heart. While Ansem SoD was a humanoid Heartless.

 

Im saying hes a walking heartless... and thats what Axel said too..He said he maintained those while still a heartless..LOL ...Hes a heartless...Noones arguing though about Kairis role in it but hes still a Heartless..What do u think a heartless is ? He was a walking heart separated from his body...period..Hes in human form ..just like ANSEM ...Stated just like Axel said..The only two people to take that form as a heartless..

1) Im saying hes a walking heartless...

 

2) and thats what Axel said too..

 

He said he maintained those while still a heartless..LOL ...Hes a heartless...Noones arguing though about Kairis role in it but hes still a Heartless..

 

3) What do u think a heartless is ?

 

4) He was a walking heart separated from his body...period..Hes in human form ..just like ANSEM ...

 

5) Stated just like Axel said..The only two people to take that form as a heartless..

 

1) Yes, I know what you are trying to say. I just so happen to disaggree.

 

2) Again, no, Axel only ever said that Sora was like Ansem SoD because they both maintained their feelings and memories. He never mentioned anything about Sora having a human form while being a Heartless.

 

3) A Heartless is created when the darkness in one's heart takes that person's heart over. A heartless, while still retaining a heart, has no emotions, thus why it is named a Heartless. But of course there are exceptions, like Ansem SoD, and when Sora became a Heartless himself.

 

4) Yes, exactly! He is a walking Heart in human form! this is what I just said in my last post. Not exactly like Ansem SoD though. Because, like I've said before Ansem SoD was made from darkness, thus making him a Heartless. Sora on the other hand, was not made of darkness.

 

5) I think I've already mentioned these two points above.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, by numbering your post, it just makes it a bit easier to follow

 

It's the same thing both Ansem SOD and Sora were considered special classes of heartless just as roxas and xemnas are considered special classes of nobody. Essentially they are heartless and nobodies but carry specific charateristic that would otherwise characterize them diferently when if fact they are.

 

How is Xemnas a special Nobody?

1) Yes, I know what you are trying to say. I just so happen to disaggree.

 

2) Again, no, Axel only ever said that Sora was like Ansem SoD because they both maintained their feelings and memories. He never mentioned anything about Sora having a human form while being a Heartless.

 

3) A Heartless is created when the darkness in one's heart takes that person's heart over. A heartless, while still retaining a heart, has no emotions, thus why it is named a Heartless. But of course there are exceptions, like Ansem SoD, and when Sora became a Heartless himself.

 

4) Yes, exactly! He is a walking Heart in human form! this is what I just said in my last post. Not exactly like Ansem SoD though. Because, like I've said before Ansem SoD was made from darkness, thus making him a Heartless. Sora on the other hand, was not made of darkness.

 

5) I think I've already mentioned these two points above.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, by numbering your post, it just makes it a bit easier to follow

 

 

 

How is Xemnas a special Nobody?

 

Yes but ansem did not have a human form until he possesd riku like sora did not have a human from until kairi created a shell for him they are special heartlesses because they have the basis for heartless but not the conditions and qualities. Xemnas and roxas are special nobodies due to the condition in which they were born. Both Xemnas and roxas have the abilty to weild the keyblade (Xemnas chose not to use it.) and were born from a vessel that held more then one heart thats why they are special.

1) Yes, I know what you are trying to say. I just so happen to disaggree.

 

2) Again, no, Axel only ever said that Sora was like Ansem SoD because they both maintained their feelings and memories. He never mentioned anything about Sora having a human form while being a Heartless.

 

3) A Heartless is created when the darkness in one's heart takes that person's heart over. A heartless, while still retaining a heart, has no emotions, thus why it is named a Heartless. But of course there are exceptions, like Ansem SoD, and when Sora became a Heartless himself.

 

4) Yes, exactly! He is a walking Heart in human form! this is what I just said in my last post. Not exactly like Ansem SoD though. Because, like I've said before Ansem SoD was made from darkness, thus making him a Heartless. Sora on the other hand, was not made of darkness.

 

5) I think I've already mentioned these two points above.

 

I'm not trying to be rude, by numbering your post, it just makes it a bit easier to follow

 

 

 

How is Xemnas a special Nobody?

 

Actually a heartless can also be created when someones heart is taken by a heartless too or stabbed like the apprentices in the trailer ...Their hearts were taken by someone or something that wasnt their darkness per se so your reasoning is flawed ...And my post was prefectly understandable so thats your own issue..Finally when Axel was talking about sora and ansems forms it was insinuating that they were indeed the same situation which is why its mentioned in detail in that scene and also why Axel was fascinated by the whole thing in the first place

Actually a heartless can also be created when someones heart is taken by a heartless too or stabbed like the apprentices in the trailer ...Their hearts were taken by someone or something that wasnt their darkness per se so your reasoning is flawed ...And my post was prefectly understandable so thats your own issue..Finally when Axel was talking about sora and ansems forms it was insinuating that they were indeed the same situation which is why its mentioned in detail in that scene and also why Axel was fascinated by the whole thing in the first place

 

Firstly, it wasnt because I couldn't read YOUR post, I numbered it to make MY post more understandable.

 

Ok, my reasoning is not flawed, I left out those two facts, but did I not say that there are exceptions? A Heartless is created when darkness, be it their own or someone else's, engulfs the Heart.

 

Ah, I see, now you're saying that Axel "insinuated" to Sora being a Heartless with a human form. When in fact, Axel only makes the connection between Sora and Ansem SoD to be that they retained their emotions and memories.

 

Yes but ansem did not have a human form until he possesd riku like sora did not have a human from until kairi created a shell for him they are special heartlesses because they have the basis for heartless but not the conditions and qualities. Xemnas and roxas are special nobodies due to the condition in which they were born. Both Xemnas and roxas have the abilty to weild the keyblade (Xemnas chose not to use it.) and were born from a vessel that held more then one heart thats why they are special.

 

Ah, yes, thank you. I had forgotten about that Xemnas can wield a Keyblade. Hmm, I wonder why he didnt? <-- rhetorical question.

Firstly, it wasnt because I couldn't read YOUR post, I numbered it to make MY post more understandable.

 

Ok, my reasoning is not flawed, I left out those two facts, but did I not say that there are exceptions? A Heartless is created when darkness, be it their own or someone else's, engulfs the Heart.

 

Ah, I see, now you're saying that Axel "insinuated" to Sora being a Heartless with a human form. When in fact, Axel only makes the connection between Sora and Ansem SoD to be that they retained their emotions and memories.

 

 

 

Ah, yes, thank you. I had forgotten about that Xemnas can wield a Keyblade. Hmm, I wonder why he didnt?

 

 

No im saying by saying They were the only two to ever take that form hes stating they are one and the same situation..Ive repeated my stance several times .AND STILL the ways i stated arent exceptions considering i bet most heartless were probable made by other heartless stealing hearts..NOT JUST BY SOMEONES OWN DARKNESS TAKING OVER..Therefore once again your logic is flawed

 

 

 

No im saying by saying They were the only two to ever take that form hes stating they are one and the same situation..Ive repeated my stance several times .AND STILL the ways i stated arent exceptions considering i bet most heartless were probable made by other heartless stealing hearts..NOT JUST BY SOMEONES OWN DARKNESS TAKING OVER..Therefore once again your logic is flawed

 

Did you even read my post? o_o

Did you even read my post? o_o

 

Yes have you been reading mine .I never changed my stance ..You tried saying i did .. The point is hes a walking heartless whether you want to admit it or not ..The scene discussing it in CoM was pretty clear and was pointing this detail out and that was its whole purpose.My stance wont change just bc u disagree.

 

Yes have you been reading mine .I never changed my stance ..You tried saying i did .. The point is hes a walking heartless whether you want to admit it or not ..The scene discussing it in CoM was pretty clear and was pointing this detail out and that was its whole purpose.My stance wont change just bc u disagree.

 

No, I never tried to change your stance. If you read my post carefully, what I was saying was that you undermined everything you had been saying in one sentence, thus disproving your theory and making your argument invalid.

 

My thinking is still not flawed, because I said that I agreed with you. If my thinking is flawed on the creation of a Heartless, then so is yours.

 

Also, if look back to how this started, it was actually you that's tried to change my opinion. So it seems that you want to change my stance, because you disagreer.

No, I never tried to change your stance. If you read my post carefully, what I was saying was that you undermined everything you had been saying in one sentence, thus disproving your theory and making your argument invalid.

 

My thinking is still not flawed, because I said that I agreed with you. If my thinking is flawed on the creation of a Heartless, then so is yours.

 

Also, if look back to how this started, it was actually you that's tried to change my opinion. So it seems that you want to change my stance, because you disagreer.

 

Look i didnt change or undermine my arguement. You can try and say whatever you want but it doesnt change the fact that Sora was a walking heartless from that point on from Kh 1 on through until he was joined with Roxas in KH2..I never changed my stance or undermined my own stance to make it invalid..Ive stated the same thing over and over and now you are talking in circles ...You werent argreeing with me or you wouldnt have been going back and forth DISAGREEING with me in the first place .I pointed out the flaw in your opinion backed up by in- game content ..You keep trying to twist it to make it invalid but simply its not working...You said he wasnt a heartless ..I said he was..The heartless creation point i disagreed with was about the diff ways they can be created and they were more likely the most common compared to Ones own self falling to darkness whereas you stated they were exceptions.. You arent agreeing with me..Or are YOU now changing your own arguement..Move along ..lol

Look i didnt change or undermine my arguement. You can try and say whatever you want but it doesnt change the fact that Sora was a walking heartless from that point on from Kh 1 on through until he was joined with Roxas in KH2..I never changed my stance or undermined my own stance to make it invalid..Ive stated the same thing over and over and now you are talking in circles ...You werent argreeing with me or you wouldnt have been going back and forth DISAGREEING with me in the first place .I pointed out the flaw in your opinion backed up by in- game content ..You keep trying to twist it to make it invalid but simply its not working...You said he wasnt a heartless ..I said he was..The heartless creation point i disagreed with was about the diff ways they can be created and they were more likely the most common compared to Ones own self falling to darkness whereas you stated they were exceptions.. You arent agreeing with me..Or are YOU now changing your own arguement..Move along ..lol

 

You contradicted yourself when you said "He was a walking heart separated from his body...period..Hes in human form", your words, not mine.

 

What are you talking about, I'm talking in circles? Let me try to put this another way: you and I agree how a Heartless can be created, BUT we do not agree on whether Sora was a Heartless all through out the end of KH1 up until he rejoined with Roxas.

 

What bothers me though, is that you were dismisive. Saying "Move along" irks me.