(Spoilers) One of the 13 Seekers of Darkness instead of one of the 7 Guardians of Light? Notice how at about 5:30 in the video, Lea takes the blow from Xehanort's attempted possession of Sora...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJ-3Xiet0&feature=relmfu

Also, isn't it convenient that Lea just so happens to have the ability to summon a Keyblade after the battle? And Master Xehanort seems almost happy after Braig shouts, "What now you old coot?"

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by Master Juan

Their seats were next to Master Xehanorts', not Sora's

The empty seat I'm talking about is next to Sora...

 

I realize that, but that honestly has nothing to do with the point I'm arguing. It was just a minor typo I already corrected in my first post, and I can't correct it in the topic title, so chill out.

 

Lea, LOOK at the empty seat next to Sora in the picture I posted above, its not that hard. It's empty, along with Xemnas' seat and Ansem's seat, making a total of 3 empty seats. There's 13 seats, but the one next to Sora isn't filled and never was during that confrontation. Either that or an animation error by Square Enix.

 

 

You can't tell from the blurry pic you are producing .Half the pic is blurred out .Xemnas himself said there are only 13 seats in there and Sora was in the 13th .Period.Explain how Sora can be in the 13th seat but you are saying the 13th seat is empty..Even if Sora ended up being saved , the next intended 13th member would sit in SORAS seat ...Explain this away to me ...There are clearly not 14 seats in there regardless...

Theres a new character named Lee?

You can't tell from the blurry pic you are producing .Half the pic is blurred out .Xemnas himself said there are only 13 seats in there and Sora was in the 13th .Period.Explain how Sora can be in the 13th seat but you are saying the 13th seat is empty..Even if Sora ended up being saved , the next intended 13th member would sit in SORAS seat ...Explain this away to me ...There are clearly not 14 seats in there regardless...

 

Fine let me find another pic that's more clear for you then, I don't know how you can't see that but give me one second.

 

Theres a new character named Lee?

 

And nope, that was just a typo, I love you Rob I won't argue with you.

Fine let me find another pic that's more clear for you then, I don't know how you can't see that but give me one second.

 

And nope, that was just a typo, I love you Rob I won't argue with you.

 

You arent addressing my point at all about the fact that they are 13 seats and Sora was in the 13th . MX said before Lea got there that now that Sora was there all 13 members would be present .You keep ignoring that . Answer that ..The eventual 13 th member would sit in Soras seat regardless.

(Spoilers) One of the 13 Seekers of Darkness instead of one of the 7 Guardians of Light? Notice how at about 5:30 in the video, Lea takes the blow from Xehanort's attempted possession of Sora...

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHIJ-3Xiet0&feature=relmfu

Also, isn't it convenient that Lea just so happens to have the ability to summon a Keyblade after the battle? And Master Xehanort seems almost happy after Braig shouts, "What now you old coot?"

 

The reason why Young Xehanort was able to use a keyblade because at that moment MX transferred his consciousness into him and assimilated his power. In order for a vessel who intially did not have the ability to weild the keyblade to use one, that vessel has to be assimilated with MX's consciousness and power.

 

 

Room for Lee perhaps? What scene did it specifically say that Lee wasn't considered a successful vessel again?

 

All the original members were attempted vessel most of the were confirmed as failures.

 

How do you explain the empty seat next to Sora then?

Shazam baby, you can clearly see the empty seat next to Sora! I think you're one hooded figure short....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3m8CvE_Us

 

Pause 1:36 the rotation of appearance starts at Roxas's throne in which you can't see, then goes to Larxene's (Now YX's) throne which is empty then you have three hooded figures then Xigbar,Xemnas, empty chair(MX), Ansem,then four hooded figures.

According to the angle of the jump, he made Siax was in his original throne. Then Young Xehanort was in Larxene's throne, Xigbar was in Vexen's throne, Xemnas was in Xigbar's throne, MX was in Xemnas's throne, and Ansem was in Xaldin's throne, the rest of were hooded.

 

MX even straight up said that all the seats were filled.

Fine let me find another pic that's more clear for you then, I don't know how you can't see that but give me one second.

 

The reason why Young Xehanort was able to use a keyblade because at that moment MX transferred his consciousness into him and assimilated his power. In order for a vessel who intially did not have the ability to weild the keyblade to use one, that vessel has to be assimilated with MX's consciousness and power.

 

 

All the original members were attempted vessel most of the were confirmed as failures.

 

 

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3m8CvE_Us

 

Pause 1:36 the rotation of appearance starts at Roxas's throne in which you can't see, then goes to Larxene's (Now YX's) throne which is empty then you have three hooded figures then Xigbar,Xemnas, empty chair(MX), Ansem,then four hooded figures.

According to the angle of the jump, he made Siax was in his original throne. Then Young Xehanort was in Larxene's throne, Xigbar was in Vexen's throne, Xemnas was in Xigbar's throne, MX was in Xemnas's throne, and Ansem was in Xaldin's throne, the rest of were hooded.

 

MX even straight up said that all the seats were filled.

 

 

 

EXACTLY !!! Thank YOU !

You arent addressing my point at all about the fact that they are 13 seats and Sora was in the 13th . MX said before Lea got there that now that Sora was there all 13 members would be present .You keep ignoring that . Answer that ..The eventual 13 th member would sit in Soras seat regardless.

 

Ok, all thirteen members are present, Lee is there isn't he? Who do you think would fill that empty seat next to Sora? Look, I'll upload more pics for you.

Empty from that angle.

And this one too.

And now the small versions of each so it has better quality:

Dude I don't know how much clear I can get, look for yourself in this video too:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9AccKKNN54&feature=relmfu

The first one is at 19:07 when Mickey is jumping towards Sora, and the second is at 19:28, right after MX fires his heart. You have to pause and play to see them.

 

The reason why Young Xehanort was able to use a keyblade because at that moment MX transferred his consciousness into him and assimilated his power. In order for a vessel who intially did not have the ability to weild the keyblade to use one, that vessel has to be assimilated with MX's consciousness and power.

 

 

All the original members were attempted vessel most of the were confirmed as failures.

 

 

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3m8CvE_Us

 

Pause 1:36 the rotation of appearance starts at Roxas's throne in which you can't see, then goes to Larxene's (Now YX's) throne which is empty then you have three hooded figures then Xigbar,Xemnas, empty chair(MX), Ansem,then four hooded figures.

According to the angle of the jump, he made Siax was in his original throne. Then Young Xehanort was in Larxene's throne, Xigbar was in Vexen's throne, Xemnas was in Xigbar's throne, MX was in Xemnas's throne, and Ansem was in Xaldin's throne, the rest of were hooded.

 

MX even straight up said that all the seats were filled.

 

But what I'm trying to argue is that nobody was in Marluxia's seat. I'm thinking that may have been an animation glitch, but I'm not sure. I see now that MX said all the seats were filled, but I don't see anyone in Marluxia's seat. And that white haired figure under Sora's throne on the left, that's Ansem choking Mickey, look at the scene closely. But you do make a good point on the seats are filled thing.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by Master Juan

The reason why Young Xehanort was able to use a keyblade because at that moment MX transferred his consciousness into him and assimilated his power. In order for a vessel who intially did not have the ability to weild the keyblade to use one, that vessel has to be assimilated with MX's consciousness and power.

 

 

All the original members were attempted vessel most of the were confirmed as failures.

 

 

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3m8CvE_Us

 

Pause 1:36 the rotation of appearance starts at Roxas's throne in which you can't see, then goes to Larxene's (Now YX's) throne which is empty then you have three hooded figures then Xigbar,Xemnas, empty chair(MX), Ansem,then four hooded figures.

According to the angle of the jump, he made Siax was in his original throne. Then Young Xehanort was in Larxene's throne, Xigbar was in Vexen's throne, Xemnas was in Xigbar's throne, MX was in Xemnas's throne, and Ansem was in Xaldin's throne, the rest of were hooded.

 

MX even straight up said that all the seats were filled.

 

That pretty much sums it up.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

Who's in Marluxia's throne then?

Ok, all thirteen members are present, Lee is there isn't he? Who do you think would fill that empty seat next to Sora? Look, I'll upload more pics for you.

Empty from that angle.

And this one too.

And now the small versions of each so it has better quality:

Dude I don't know how much clear I can get, look for yourself in this video too:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9AccKKNN54&feature=relmfu

The first one is at 19:07 when Mickey is jumping towards Sora, and the second is at 19:28, right after MX fires his heart. You have to pause and play to see them.

 

 

 

I'm not a dude.. He said all 13 members were there before Lea ever got there . He never expected Lea, remember .. Even Xemnas and Xigbar were like wtf are you doing here ?Sora is in the 13th seat period. Even if there was an empty seat there is still only 13 seats that were all filled(according to MX's OWN WORDS NO LESS) before Lea ever arrived.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

Who's in Marluxia's throne then?

 

Umm. It doesn't really matter who is in it. That doesn't help the point your trying to make.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by XaonSchock

Ok, all thirteen members are present, Lee is there isn't he? Who do you think would fill that empty seat next to Sora? Look, I'll upload more pics for you.

Empty from that angle.

And this one too.

And now the small versions of each so it has better quality:

Dude I don't know how much clear I can get, look for yourself in this video too:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9AccKKNN54&feature=relmfu

The first one is at 19:07 when Mickey is jumping towards Sora, and the second is at 19:28, right after MX fires his heart. You have to pause and play to see them.

 

But what I'm trying to argue is that nobody was in Marluxia's seat. I'm thinking that may have been an animation glitch, but I'm not sure. I see now that MX said all the seats were filled, but I don't see anyone in Marluxia's seat. And that white haired figure under Sora's throne on the left, that's Ansem choking Mickey, look at the scene closely. But you do make a good point on the seats are filled thing.

 

It is possible it was a glitch or that person moved out of the way, either the seat was filled by a hooded figure, when they all first arrived.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by devereauxr

I'm not a dude.. He said all 13 members were there before Lea ever got there . He never expected Lea, remember .. Even Xemnas and Xigbar were like wtf are you doing here ?Sora is in the 13th seat period. Even if there was an empty seat there is still only 13 seats that were all filled(according to MX's OWN WORDS NO LESS) before Lea ever arrived.

 

Sorry M'am... But I just don't get it, Marluxia's seat is clearly not filled. Translation error maybe? Here's the Japanese one with subs and he never mentions all the seats being filled:

Sorry M'am... But I just don't get it, Marluxia's seat is clearly not filled. Translation error maybe? Here's the Japanese one with subs and he never mentions all the seats being filled:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrLJTNc0LKs

 

The official English(which is canon and fact) says the seats are filled . There are always translation errors here and there in the Japanese subs.. Besides the Japanese says pretty much the same thing just worded differently..Don't be in denial

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

Umm. It doesn't really matter who is in it. That doesn't help the point your trying to make.

 

I have since realized that my point I was trying to make was done incorrectly. I was eager to prove my thoughts, but was also hasty. I must consider a much more thought-filled method and accomplish my goals the correct way; By clashing 13 KH13 Noobs with 7 KH13 Whores... Just kidding, but I all I really said was I think Lea will get forcibly controlled somehow, I never said for sure I thought he'd be one of the 13, I asked if you guys thought he would. But whatever, I don't see how I can win this considering I have a lack of proof in my thoughts. I just thought that Lea getting a keyblade right after the battle was somewhat unusual, considering he even said that he'd tried to summon the keyblade before it.

Sorry M'am... But I just don't get it, Marluxia's seat is clearly not filled. Translation error maybe? Here's the Japanese one with subs and he never mentions all the seats being filled:

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrLJTNc0LKs

 

YX was sitting next to Sora and the member on the other side of Sora is wearing a hood. It's safe to assume YX was sitting in the empty seat.

Edited October 12, 201213 yr by XaonSchock

The official English(which is canon and fact) says the seats are filled . There are always translation errors here and there in the Japanese subs.. Besides the Japanese says pretty much the same thing just worded differently..Don't be in denial

 

It too hard to win against a Whore in an argument, I've lost to Hatok and now you.... Who's next, Rob?

 

YX was sitting next to Sora and the member on the other side of Sora is wearing a hood. It's safe to assume YX was sitting in the empty seat.

 

In that picture if you look closely though, you can see YMX sitting in the throne on the right, and the one on the left is empty, so he is actually still in that scene:

I know it is hard to see, but if you look, he doesn't have a hood and that's most likely YX, as his hair blends in with the chair a bit.

I have since realized that my point I was trying to make was done incorrectly. I was eager to prove my thoughts, but was also hasty. I must consider a much more thought-filled method and accomplish my goals the correct way; By clashing 13 KH13 Noobs with 7 KH13 Whores... Just kidding, but I all I really said was I think Lea will get forcibly controlled somehow, I never said for sure I thought he'd be one of the 13, I asked if you guys thought he would. But whatever, I don't see how I can win this considering I have a lack of proof in my thoughts. I just thought that Lea getting a keyblade right after the battle was somewhat unusual, considering he even said that he'd tried to summon the keyblade before it.

 

But this is explained too.Nomura also said Lea was originally planned to show up with the keyblade when he rescued Sora but he changed it for the surprise ending..Seeing Isa could've strengthened Lea's resolve to stop MX because its another friend needing saved.Which in turn made his heart worthy to finally summon the keyblade.

But this is explained too.Nomura also said Lea was originally planned to show up with the keyblade when he rescued Sora but he changed it for the surprise ending..Seeing Isa could've strengthened Lea's resolve to stop MX because its another friend needing saved.Which in turn made his heart worthy to finally summon the keyblade.

 

Damnit Nomura said that? Well.... I can't really argue against it so I guess you win.

It too hard to win against a Whore in an argument, I've lost to Hatok and now you.... Who's next, Rob?

 

In that picture if you look closely though, you can see YMX sitting in the throne on the right, and the one on the left is empty, so he is actually still in that scene:

I know it is hard to see, but if you look, he doesn't have a hood and that's most likely YX, as his hair blends in with the chair a bit.

 

He just looks like he has no head. haha

One problem with your theory though. In order for it to work the vessels heart has to be steeped in darkness. I think Lea's heart has too much light to facilitate the possession. Also, if Lea was already a vessel when he first summoned his Keyblade he would have had tan skin, yellow eye's and pointy ears like all the others. Also Lea's Keyblade doesn't seem to have the telltale demonic eye that Xehanort seems to prefer. Not that it has to just MX's and YX's Keyblade both do so it seems to be a preference on his part.

Edited October 13, 201213 yr by Sora_Kuno

Interesting, thats smile on xehanort makes me wonder...

This thread is only three pages long and it's super extensive... I'll just say what i think, sorry if If i repeat anything

Well, what you said it's what I've been thinking, and some people already mentioned this before, but there's no way to confirm anything. it's all very convinient that Lea blocked and then summoned the keyblade and even he was surprised... And also, Xehanort was kinda of laughing when he blocked and Xigbar / Braig told him to act.

OFF TOPIC, but: One thing someone noticed is that there were twelve people surrounding Sora when Xigbar shoots around him, in the beginning of Sora's TWTNW, even though they said later that Xehanort was missing. That would make 15 people on the Organization, because 12+Xigbar+Sora+Xehanort... Personally i'd say it was a graphics mistake, they miscounted how many hooded figures thhey needed, but who knows?

According to the angle of the jump, he made Siax was in his original throne. Then Young Xehanort was in Larxene's throne, Xigbar was in Vexen's throne, Xemnas was in Xigbar's throne, MX was in Xemnas's throne, and Ansem was in Xaldin's throne, the rest of were hooded.

 

 

That's an interesting picture.

It almost seems like that the persons who are the most... nort'd are the ones who sit closer to Xehanort himself.

I guess, that Lexaeus' seat is now Vanitas' ones.

 

In the original Organisation XIII:

Roxas and Larexene were the one who were the newest members and so the least nort'd ones. Plus, Marluxia who tried to betray Xehanort.

Now it is Sora and YX, who seems to be different from his future self/es.