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The thread on Cloud's design got me thinking about how strange the steady weakening of his character has become over time. There seems to be this idea that Cloud is almost powerless against the likes of Sephiroth. And I don't mean powerless in terms of physical prowess or combat. I mean in terms of character strength. Advent Children has him unable to move on with his life, and Dissidia throws around the idea that he is in a constant state of reaction to Sephiroth. The same goes for Kingdom Hearts II: Cloud can only find meaning in his fight with Sephiroth, unable to create a life outside of their relationship. As this goes on, the idea seems to be hammered home over and over again that Sephiroth is stronger in will, and why not? He's the walking embodiment of Nietzche's superman, who doesn't care about the moral fiber of the world, doesn't concern himself with other human beings, and is in the process of shaping the world as he sees fit instead of reacting to it. In light of Sephiroth's proactive approach to things, Cloud's increasing passiveness makes him look feebler and feebler in contrast as time goes on.

 

But here's the thing: within FF VII itself, Cloud's character is undoubtedly the stronger of the two, because he can do the one thing that Sephiroth cannot.

 

Both men suffer the same emotional crisis of identity: the person they thought they were turns out to be a web of lies, and they must now struggle to find a new identity. Sephiroth handles this poorly: he cannot accept that he is a genetic experiment, and subsequently goes mad. His own ego cannot cope with the idea of being someone else s project, and thus, he recreates and justifies the meaning of his life in his own mind. JENOVA isn't an alien, she is an Ancient; he isn't the son of a monster, he's the heir to the planet. He cannot (or, rather, will not) understand the idea of his own worthlessness, and in a desperate attempt to salvage what is left of his perception of life, he hastily manufactures a structure of belief that makes him even greater than before. To further justify himself, he throws away all other worldly morals, because such things would inhibit and hinder this new mindset. The world, people, and history of events that he experiences are all discarded and reformed so that Sephiroth can not only still feel good about himself, but be the ideal of perfection. He's not the problem: everyone else is.

 

What it boils down to is: Sephiroth cannot cope with this humbling, and has to reform his perception of the world to make satisfy his ego. He discards one delusion of identity and replaces it with another.

 

Cloud also experiences such a thing: through manipulation and mind games, he has been led to believe that many events of other peoples' lives (notably Zack's) are his own, and bears himself through much of the story with that belief. But eventually, the veil is taken away, and Cloud finds that most of the things he based his self worth on were lies: he was never in Soldier, and he didn't do half the things he thought he did. The things which made our hero the tough-guy disintegrate around him, and when such a heavy chunk of his identity is removed, he has to ask himself: who am I, really? But here's the thing: unlike Sephiroth, Cloud is capable of humbling himself. Maybe he wasn't a Soldier First Class, but there is still the present and the future to define himself. He has lost some sense of worth, but knows that there is the possibility of creating a new one. He is not trapped by his pride as his archenemy is.

 

Cloud is not only capable of getting over the past and moving on, he has done it better than Sephiroth did.

 

Something to think about.

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Never really thought about it that deep before but that's pretty awesome. Cloud can do what Sephiroth can't in that case.

Good thought. Cloud is one of those characters that didn't really like to let people in. And like Lightning, they want me to try harder to get to know them.... Not being a stalker though.

I haven't thought about it until now, but even during a character's lowest point, there will always be something that makes them triumph over their foe.

Thank you.  Thank you so much.  Reading this highlighted just how much Advent Children and Dissidia destroyed Cloud's character.  Actually, it's not even destroying a character so much as creating a new one from scratch and calling him Cloud.  Yeah, for all intents and purpose, I consider FFVII!Cloud and Non-FFVII!Cloud two completely different characters.  Big swords and hair aside, there are so few similarities between the two that it baffles me why people try to rationalize why Cloud is the way he is in AC.  I consider them separate characters because the core aspects to FFVII!Cloud and AC-and-others!Cloud are completely different.

 

On the surface, the dramatic shifts in personality can be justified.  After coming as far as he did, you'd think Cloud would be able to handle rebuilding a new life for himself.  Then Geostigma hits and he's unable to find a cure no matter how hard he tries, then he contracts it himself and with it being a terminal disease, the only thing he can do now is die.  He isolates himself from his friends so they wouldn't have to feel sad about him dying.  Then there's also the matter Cloud finally had the chance to reflect on everything that happened.  After he gets his true memories/personality back, he immediately needs to help stop Shinra from getting the Huge Materia, then stop Sephiroth.  There most likely wasn't time for heavy introspection, but when everything was done with, then the full impact of things can hit him.  To an extent, even I can agree the shift wasn't completely unjustified.

 

Thing is, it doesn't matter how justified or not it was.  It's not the question people should be asking.  The real question is, was it a good idea to make Cloud this way?  My answer is, no, not at all, because not only are the reasons it took to make him that way contrary to his character, but it's the exact opposite of character development.  What Nomura did to Cloud is not good storytelling.  In FFVII, Cloud managed to overcome his past and Sephiroth, we saw him fight and grow, and AC undid all of it.  He's even worse than he was before, so it makes you wonder, hell, what was the firetrucking point of FFVII if that's where everything led to?  Especially when the ways Cloud handled his problems is contrary to everything about the character?

 

Before and after Cloud got his true personality back, he was never a true loner and he didn't push his friends away.  The only time he really acted like that was in the very beginning of the game, where he was a mercenary looking out for himself, but even that doesn't last long based on how we see him concerned for Aeris/Aerith and Tifa.  Cloud in FFVII never pushed away his friends when he needed them most.  It's the opposite; he confided into them.  One of the best examples is after Sephiroth kills Aerith.  Before Aerith ran off to stop Sephiroth, Cloud was rightfully concerned about what would happen to him, as Sephiroth had possessed him--Cloud would've killed Aerith himself if his friends hadn't snapped him out of it.  After what happened, after his desire for revenge became even more personal than it was before, after it's become clear how dangerous Cloud is to his friends if Sephiroth can possess him, does Cloud push them away?  Try to run off and do things on his own, because it's not their problem?  No.  He asks them to come with him.  He wants them to help him, and he trusts them enough to let them.  KH and Dissidia!Cloud would never allow this.  Those characters don't trust anyone but themselves to help solve their problems.

 

Cloud was never pessimistic, either.  He was just serious, but throughout the game, before and after the truth about him gets out, he still had a determined optimism to him.  For instance, look at his talk with Tifa under the Highwind.  Regardless of how close you made Cloud with Tifa during the game, the scene still shows him as a person who will fight hard to get things done despite the doubts he has.  In AC and beyond, Cloud just runs, hampered by those very same doubts.  It's like a reverse of who he was.  You can check out both scenes here:

 

 

Frankly, it disappoints me how all versions of Cloud but his original appearance is what people associate him with.

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