Okay this is something i never understood. If i understand the story right Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless (and the first organization members) were created when Terra/Xehanort extracted his own heart after doing experiments on hearts and regaining some of his memories i think that is correct please tell me otherwise, but at the end of Terra's story in BBS Xehanort extracted and entered Terra's body shouldn't that have created a Nobody and a Heartless or did it not since the his heart entered another body? also how can Xemnas and Xehanort's Heartless destruction resurrect Xehanort when they were created when Terra and Xehanort were the same person? shouldn't Terra/Xehanort been resurrected instead?

 

This was probably answered in the games, even thought Kingdom Hearts is my favorite game series of all time i might have not picked that up when i was playing

Edited September 24, 201510 yr by FlyingEggplant

The old man nort we saw in DDD was MX revived in the present  ( this is fact not a theory).The question is why is it him. The only way the old man is Terranort is if Xehanorts heart consumed Terra's and since the heart shapes the vessel it gives Terranort's body the appearance of the old man. In other news  It's also possible to have picked up a version of Terranort from the past for KH3 too. So we can have both in the new org.

 

As for the armor well of course there is we just don't know what and it's most likely bc of Terra.

well i'm stupid i though that the MX we saw in DDD was just one the many incarnations from the past or future i didn't think he was the ONE.  

i really need to replay DDD

Thanks clarifying!

well i'm stupid i though that the MX we saw in DDD was just one the many incarnations from the past or future i didn't think he was the ONE.

i really need to replay DDD

Thanks clarifying!

 

No you are not stupid. DDD can be confusing for lots of fans. Now you know

The only way the old man is Terranort is if Xehanorts heart consumed Terra's

 

And as Blank Points shows us, Eraqus's heart prevents that, not to mention that the Ultimania flat-out says that it's the original MX.

Edited September 25, 201510 yr by Alan Smithee

And as Blank Points shows us, Eraqus's heart prevents that, not to mention that the Ultimania flat-out says that it's the original MX.

 Yeah I already pointed out Nomura confirmed it....Blank points shows us Eraqus is there but we cannot say he prevented anything per se simply bc we do know MX did end up in charge of Terranort and both Ansem and Xemnas who are made up of both Terra and MX both followed MX's plans.  We also know somehow Terra is still a vessel as well so how much Eraqus did or did not do is unknown..I know you want Terra rescued very badly as do I but as of now he's still a vessel somehow which is why I favor theory number 2 :

 

Since MX's heart did not belong to Terra's body in the first place it's possible in the revival process the hearts went back to their proper correct bodies and Terra and MX were separately revived. To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. 

Except I wasn't referring to the vessel thing, only the heart-engulfing thing.

 

2 specifically different things.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by Alan Smithee

Except I wasn't referring to the vessel thing, only the heart-engulfing thing.

 

2 specifically different things.

 

All I'm saying is we don't know how much Eraqus helped or what his exact role was. It's a mystery. Even if they revived in their proper correct bodies it was prolly bc their hearts belonged to their original bodies and it was only natural they reunite properly. After all AX wasn't the usual case.  We know Eraqus did not stop MX from being in control of Xemnas and Ansem since they followed MX's plans. For all we know if Terra got repossessed by a newly grown Xemnas heart upon revival Eraqus might still be there too still fighting to release Terra still. Nomura confirmed that the MX we saw was the present revived version but did not say how or why. There's a difference in that as well 

 Yeah I already pointed out Nomura confirmed it....Blank points shows us Eraqus is there but we cannot say he prevented anything per se simply bc we do know MX did end up in charge of Terranort and both Ansem and Xemnas who are made up of both Terra and MX both followed MX's plans.  We also know somehow Terra is still a vessel as well so how much Eraqus did or did not do is unknown..I know you want Terra rescued very badly as do I but as of now he's still a vessel somehow which is why I favor theory number 2 :

 

Since MX's heart did not belong to Terra's body in the first place it's possible in the revival process the hearts went back to their proper correct bodies and Terra and MX were separately revived. To further complicate things, if Xemnas grew a heart himself Terra could've been automatically norted AGAIN upon revival still making him a vessel bc Xemnas was Terra's physical body and soul. 

 

Interesting. Xemnas was defeated at the end of Kingdom Hearts II, which led to reconstruction of Master Xehanort, like you mentioned. This should mean, again like you mentioned, that Terra has been revived. But where it becomes confusing is when Xemnas has been brought forward into the present and is therefore still maintaining the body of Terra. Forgive me since I haven't played Dream Drop Distance yet, but if Master Xehanort has been reconstructed wouldn't that mean Terra has been too, regardless of whether Xemnas is still in existence?

Interesting. Xemnas was defeated at the end of Kingdom Hearts II, which led to reconstruction of Master Xehanort, like you mentioned. This should mean, again like you mentioned, that Terra has been revived. But where it becomes confusing is when Xemnas has been brought forward into the present and is therefore still maintaining the body of Terra. Forgive me since I haven't played Dream Drop Distance yet, but if Master Xehanort has been reconstructed wouldn't that mean Terra has been too, regardless of whether Xemnas is still in existence?

 Xemnas' presence in DDD that we saw was due to TT. He existed from the past. If MX was brought back as MX and not as Terranort with MX's heart shaping the vessel then yes Terra should be revived...and since we know Terra is still a vessel he's there somewhere and prolly one of the hooded members.

 Xemnas' presence in DDD that we saw was due to TT. He existed from the past. If MX was brought back as MX and not as Terranort with MX's heart shaping the vessel then yes Terra should be revived...and since we know Terra is still a vessel he's there somewhere and prolly one of the hooded members.

 

There's an easy explanation that can both make ^that perfectly plausible and not render the "Blank Points + Eraqus" business a complete waste of writing: Terra's and Eraqus's hearts went elsewhere entirely at some point.

 

It would also fit Nomura's hints in the Ultimania, and it would also make sense for MX to remove resistance entirely instead of struggling against it (like when he knocked Sora out before trying to possess him).

There's an easy explanation that can both make ^that perfectly plausible and not render the "Blank Points + Eraqus" business a complete waste of writing: Terra's and Eraqus's hearts went elsewhere entirely at some point.

 

It would also fit Nomura's hints in the Ultimania, and it would also make sense for MX to remove resistance entirely instead of struggling against it (like when he knocked Sora out before trying to possess him).

 

Except one problem- It's canon fact that both Ansem and Xemnas were made by the combination of both Terra and MX..thus why Ansem has traits of both just like Xemnas did. Otherwise it would've been plausible. Also if you are fighting to keep your body I don't think leaving it would be the best solution tbh..Keep in mind Xehanort could've learned from his mistakes possessing Terra and it's prolly why he had the org members cast aside their identities with their hearts bc empty husks make better vessel material

 

Keep in mind that Blank Points and Eraqus were still not a waste regardless bc maybe he's still helping fight the good fight and might be a helping factor in KH3.

Except one problem- It's canon fact that both Ansem and Xemnas were made by the combination of both Terra and MX..thus why Ansem has traits of both just like Xemnas did. Otherwise it would've been plausible. Also if you are fighting to keep your body I don't think leaving it would be the best solution tbh..Keep in mind Xehanort could've learned from his mistakes possessing Terra and it's prolly why he had the org members cast aside their identities with their hearts bc empty husks make better vessel material

 

Keep in mind that Blank Points and Eraqus were still not a waste regardless bc maybe he's still helping fight the good fight and might be a helping factor in KH3.

 

I've never once seen anything confirming that as canon, and MX obviously would've been the one forcibly removing them (just like "Ansem" did Riku, creating yet another parallel between him and Terra).

 

Plus, it would make sense for that to be the start of him trying to create empty husks.

 

Unless you honestly expect me to believe that he has to go through all of that trouble to make the others empty, yet is perfectly okay being stuck with both Mr. Lingering Will and Mr. "Light Is Absolute."

I've never once seen anything confirming that as canon, and MX obviously would've been the one forcibly removing them (just like "Ansem" did Riku, creating yet another parallel between him and Terra).

 

Plus, it would make sense for that to be the start of him trying to create empty husks.

 

Unless you honestly expect me to believe that he has to go through all of that trouble to make the others empty, yet is perfectly okay being stuck with both Mr. Lingering Will and Mr. "Light Is Absolute."

For one who said it was by choice? Maybe he couldn't force them out. He tried to force Terra out in BBS when he stabbed himself. That worked out well for him didn't it? That failed. Since Ansem was a heartless and not a human that situation isn't even the same. Like I said he tried to remedy this and do it right the next time with the organization so no he wasn't happy with the results.

 

As for canon proof of them resulting from both Terra and MX. 

 

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

 

• In “KHI”, the robed man, Ansem the Wise’s apprentice Xehanort’s Heartless (the body of Xehanort’s Heartless before he inhabited Riku’s body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort’s homeworld?

That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra’s memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid his eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story after this one.

• Is that to say that there’s a possibility that within Xehanort’s Heartless, the darkness that sleeps in Riku’s heart, there might remain something of Terra…?

That’s also a riddle connected to the next story, so everyone please use your imagination.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by Flaming Lea

For one who said it was by choice? Maybe he couldn't force them out. He tried to force Terra out in BBS when he stabbed himself. That worked out well for him didn't it? That failed. Since Ansem was a heartless and not a human that situation isn't even the same. Like I said he tried to remedy this and do it right the next time with the organization so no he wasn't happy with the results.

 

As for canon proof of them resulting from both Terra and MX. 

 

9: Where did the Organization’s coat and mark come from?

Xemnas remembering his human years. 



One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as the five other apprentices toss
 aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the
 Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as
 a human. But as Xemnas had two people whom he came from, Terra and Master
 Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories. The coat used by the Organization was something that Master Xehanort originally wore. The Nobody mark used by the Organization is a similar shape to the mark Terra used. Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort’s interest in the χ-Blade.

 

• In “KHI”, the robed man, Ansem the Wise’s apprentice Xehanort’s Heartless (the body of Xehanort’s Heartless before he inhabited Riku’s body), appeared on the Destiny Islands. Is this because it was Master Xehanort’s homeworld?

That may be one reason, but if he somehow had some of Terra’s memories, we can consider that it might be because he had laid his eyes on Riku previously. In terms of the elements of Terra and Master Xehanort, I think the questions of how their power is related and divided, as well as who has whose memories and heart, will become a key to the story after this one.

• Is that to say that there’s a possibility that within Xehanort’s Heartless, the darkness that sleeps in Riku’s heart, there might remain something of Terra…?

That’s also a riddle connected to the next story, so everyone please use your imagination.

 

All that got confirmed was Xemnas having memories from both men.

 

Everything else, including the heart-division and "Ansem"'s memories, is still up in the air, from the looks of it.

All that got confirmed was Xemnas having memories from both men.

 

Everything else, including the heart-division and "Ansem"'s memories, is still up in the air, from the looks of it.

 

No he also clearly said that Ansem also had Terra's memories and maybe even left a bit of Terra in the same lil bit of Ansem always stuck lingering in Riku. The second part about how things are divided was referring to who had power and it would be disclosed in the next story ( DDD) What was disclosed in DDD? MX being in charge and in power thus both Ansem and Xemnas followed MX's plans. Ignoring this does not help your case.

No he also clearly said that Ansem also had Terra's memories and maybe even left a bit of Terra in the same lil bit of Ansem always stuck lingering in Riku. The second part about how things are divided was referring to who had power and it would be disclosed in the next story ( DDD) What was disclosed in DDD? MX being in charge and in power thus both Ansem and Xemnas followed MX's plans. Ignoring this does not help your case.

 

Actually, you're the one ignoring the fact that Nomura was only explicit about Xemnas's memories, but only said that "Ansem" MIGHT have had Terra parts---and only because of that one speculation about Destiny Islands, and even that was strongly suggested to be because it was MX's homeworld anyway.

 

Furthermore, it was confirmed that DIZ experimented on Terranort, leaving the possibility of the heart-division being affected.

Actually, you're the one ignoring the fact that Nomura was only explicit about Xemnas's memories, but only said that "Ansem" MIGHT have had Terra parts---and only because of that one speculation about Destiny Islands, and even that was strongly suggested to be because it was MX's homeworld anyway.

 

Furthermore, it was confirmed that DIZ experimented on Terranort, leaving the possibility of the heart-division being affected.

 

 

Terranort = Apprentice Xehanort

Apprentice Xehanort/2 = Ansem Seeker of Darkness + Xemnas

Actually, you're the one ignoring the fact that Nomura was only explicit about Xemnas's memories, but only said that "Ansem" MIGHT have had Terra parts---and only because of that one speculation about Destiny Islands, and even that was strongly suggested to be because it was MX's homeworld anyway.

 

Furthermore, it was confirmed that DIZ experimented on Terranort, leaving the possibility of the heart-division being affected.

 

The only way for what Nomura was saying about leaving a piece of Terra in Riku to be true was if Ansem was made from both Terra and MX. Instead of just confirming it was MX's home world he said it could also be bc of Terras memories. You are the one ignoring what Nomura was saying. They also redid Ansem's character model in DDD to look more like Terra as also stated by Nomura in interviews. I will not go in circles with someone who just ignores proof so I will end this here

Actually, you're the one ignoring the fact that Nomura was only explicit about Xemnas's memories, but only said that "Ansem" MIGHT have had Terra parts---and only because of that one speculation about Destiny Islands, and even that was strongly suggested to be because it was MX's homeworld anyway. Furthermore, it was confirmed that DIZ experimented on Terranort, leaving the possibility of the heart-division being affected.

How do you even figure when they even redid their character models to emphasize the fact that they were part Terra. If Terra was a none factor how could the possibility of Ansem having Terra's memories.

 

Also the only one who is assuming is you because we know nothing about how Eraqus affected Terra and more than likely his role in helping will be in KH3 when we try to save Terra.

Edited September 26, 201510 yr by Robbie the Wise

Actually, you're the one ignoring the fact that Nomura was only explicit about Xemnas's memories, but only said that "Ansem" MIGHT have had Terra parts---and only because of that one speculation about Destiny Islands, and even that was strongly suggested to be because it was MX's homeworld anyway. Furthermore, it was confirmed that DIZ experimented on Terranort, leaving the possibility of the heart-division being affected.

Except she was able to provide proof aka Nomura's interview which you have not with your claim that Eraqus may have stopped Terra from being overtaken by Xehanort. As we see in later games, this isn't really the case seeing how MX is still WINNING and how Terra is one of the people Sora needs to rescue. So what role Eraqus plays in all this is yet to be determined but to say he was able to save Terra from being completely beaten by Xehanort... doesn't seem to be the case as of now.