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I had another look at your replies. Your info is 100% correct!I still have 3 questions left:1) what does a heart look like?I always thought a normal heart is that purple crystal thing which includes both light and darkness.Sora's heart and regular heart appear like this throughout the series.The princesses and ven's hearts are pure light so they are these light orbs.This is represented in all respective titles.However, in BbS and DDD whenever Xehanort is about to send his heart out into a new vessel with his keyblade, HIS heart is represented just like the pure hearts as glowing orb of light?? Why isn't his heart purple?.Or is his heart pure darkness and looks the same as pure light hearts?2) why exactly can Roxas wield two keyblades? Is it because he has ven's heart and grew his own?Why only on the last day??And why can sora wield two?Is it because he regained ven's heart?And what does the magic of his clothes in kh2 have to do with that?3) what do you think happened to Xion and Eraqus.According to all we know these are the only real deaths right?But if Xion grew a heart she can be saved.And didn't terra harbor Eraqus' heart in that case he can be saved too?

In case anyone is wondering WHERE in he world I got the Kairi-Demyx connection, I took it from the semi-canon manga series. Personally, I see the manga just as semi-canon. Nomura has taken several Manga-exclusive scenes into account in Final Mixes (just like the novel series) anyway the points mentioned in the manga and novels are minor but I still included this connection: http://kh13.com/zenphoto/manga/kingdom-hearts-ii/chapter-45/061.png.php for the mere reason I think there's more to Demyx than meets the eye. For example, he is one of the most strange Nobodies, showing several heart-like traits Laziness, pleasure, anxiety, fear, uncertainty, friendhip due to his interactions with Roxas, Sora and Kairi, he was able to initiate a nurturing of a heart. And I think he really sees Roxas as a friend cuz he is interacting with him in Days in a more friendly manner and wants to get him back in KH2. Also, he is friendly toward Kairi: addressing her as "Princess" and "Miss Kairi". Make sure you check out this little Demyx and Kairi centered episode, it's hilarious! (and I almost feel angry because Sora killed Demyx)

But I hope we get to see some clip that shows what happened to Sora's heart and how roxas got created in KHIII

Yeah, Sora just took Kairi's heart into his body to protect it. Not merge, sorry. I have to disagree on that one. Nomura confirmed that Roxas has Ven's heart which is why he looks like Ven and is able to cry (and therefore has a complete heart inside of him) When Roxas returned to Sora, Ven's heart returned to Sora's too. Ven is still sleeping which is why in the Mark of Mastery exam in DDD Riku gained the power to awake sleeping hearts and return Ven (he just didn't do it yet). Ven's heart also protects Sora in DDD at the end by activating the armor of Ventus around Sora's fading body. Here you can see 6 hearts being released from the keyblade of the heart (6 Disney Princesses) and then 1 heart which goes to Kairi. (and therefore they all have the same form of a pure orb of light rather than pink and heart shaped) Sora's heart is not seen and neither is Ven's. (Ven's should look like the princesses' hearts) The little crystals of light are proof that Sora's light is fading and he sinks into Darkness. When Kairi restores sora he uses her light as his and so returns. These orbs of light are also seen in the restoration seen in this video (we see Sora's light returning) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuHH0qWIRkw Here we see only one scene where Kairi's heart is released. Sora's heart (including Ven's) fades into Darkness and therefore is not shown in the outside world. Ven's heart can easily get separated to Twilight town and into Roxas.

Haha, I just liked playing with this train of thought. The essence would be: IF Sora had had dinner, everyone would have been lost to darkness... Some kind of dinner this would have turned out to be xDDDDDD

Thanks for all your replies most of all to KING MICKEY who cleared up the whole Theory so even DDD makes sense now! Sure, the game could have been loads better but at least it does not contradict the whole Kingdom-verse anymore like I was afraid it would! I apologize for my hate for the mis-interpreted inconsistencies and !!! hence declare this thread closed !!! Thanks guys :D :D :D

What happened if Sora ate dinner: IF Sora had gone to dinner, Riku would have possessed by Ansem, Kairi would have been stolen including her heart. The Keyblade could not have chosen neither Sora nor Riku. Sora and all his family and friends would have been swallowed by darkness WHILE eating dinner. Riku would have acted as Ansem's puppet before Ansem could take over completely and regaining his Body and fully becoming the Seeker of Darkness we all love to hate. Riku would have faded into darkness, his heart would have been taken over by Ansem. Riku would have been lost in the Darkness forever. Kairi would have been gathered among all those other PoH, Ansem would have used their hearts to unlock the final Abyss and Would have been destroyed by the Light within Kingdom Hearts cuz this KH is light, hahaha. But Mickey would not have been able to close the Door to Darkness alone and darkness would have taken over and swallowed everything. So all and every being would have been lost to "everlasting darkness". But the good thing is: Xehanort would not have won cuz Xemnas would have been swallowed by the dark too and therefore Gramps Xehanort could never return. End of Story

I apologize for this. I wrote this on a friend's keyboard with a foreign layout late at night I hope it is not too distracting. I finished polishing the major points and checked my points for validity so the context should be OK now. I'll do another spelling correction marathon later.

you are absolutely right. I reworked this part in my thesis.

The Best Example of Axel and Lea is imagining yuo slept for a week or even a month and then you woke up. Somehow you would still be yourself but on the other habd you have changed just as your environment and friends have. Meeting someone again who slept for similar period of time but at a different place and at a different time, you would have a slightly different interaction than you might have if you never parted. This slight separation in inter-personal interaction illustrates that the development of the situation beween you and your friend could stay the same, develop closer of farther apart. (somehow similar to sora sleeping for a year and then seeing kairi again after more than a year, but they are ever so close they easily overcome this gap-year)

1) Yes, Axel is indeed Lea. Roxas however. is not Sora. That's the biggest difference. Axel HAS Lea's memories and body Roxas has neither Sora's memories nor his body. Therfore Axel and Leas share 1 body 1 mind and 1 heart (1 at a time that is), Sora and Roxas share 2 bodies 2 minds and 2 hearts (ven's and Sora's) I just wanted to stress that if roxas became a whole person by himself he would not have to fade and neither his body nor his mind would have to fade. Axel's body heart and mind howver faded completely and then his original heart was regained and his original body and his original mind were recreated. It depends whether memories are also part of the mind or not. Too little is known about minds- like if memories are carried over (like most regular high nobodies) or not (roxas) and if this is part of the mind or not. Also the case of sentiments is not complietely probed yet. So basically minds are created anew each time with carried over memories or minds are restored and carry memories with them it does not really matter. Basically, minds are entities of self-consciousness (lingering sentiment) but memories are closely connected and even more important! So memories are definnitely engraved in the hears in any way and therefore if the heart is lost memories can also stick to minds tas a backp (therefore Lingering sentiment remembers Ven and Aqua lost and hatred for Xehanort) But what I wanted to point out is that Axel had to die in Order to become LEa again. As Roxas never met Lea, he indeed would never meet the very sam e Axel existance ever again (cuz axel's body mind and heart are gone) and even though recreated almost 1:1 and having the same memories and their friendship Lea and Roxas would be slightly different than Axel - Roxas.

+ a HUGE THANKS to King Mickey who stirred me in the right direction and helped me find the last clue that hearts fade when an existence dies!!! THANK YOU!!!

And All characters can return easily except Roxas, Namine and Xion. Namine might come back easily by releasing her heart from within Kairi's. Roxas would have to get a completely new heart in order to become his own person. Maybe Roxas Even grew his own heart "around" Ven's heart...? (in this unlikely case Sora is Harboring 3 hearts currently) Xion might have had a heart but as she really died and faded, it's hardest getting her back cuz one need to get her a body and heart... So concluding one can say that these people are the only three that "deserve" to be their own persons - whcih is why Sora said so in DDD - precisely because They are NOT Nobodies, like shadows of their original selves, but vastly different individuals who din't even remember hwere they came from! Thank you very much!! I spent 100s of hours and 100s of pages of scribblings and notes just to come to this conclusion. At first I thought DDD didn't make any sense but now I see the whole picture, haha.

Sprawled over several threads I collected all theories on how all KH heart theories go together and it finally makes sense: 1 Somebody = 1 Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Riku 1 Heartless = 1 Heart (stolen) Example: Soldier (Emblem Heartless) or 1 Heartless = 0 Heart Example: Shadow (Pureblood Heartless) 1 Nobody = 1 Body Example: Dusk 1 Sentiment / Will = 1 Mind / Soul Example: Lingering Sentiment (Terra’s Will) 1 Unversed = 0 0 0 (hence not well versed with life!) but negative emotion and pure darkness involved (also memories?) Example: Flood There's also the concept of memories which is closely related to the mind and heart. Special Cases: Special Somebody: 2 Hearts + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Sora Special Somebody PoH: Pure Light Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Snow White Special Somebody PoH: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul (Heart does not fade into Darkness) Example: Kairi Special Heartless Sora: 0 Heart(s) + 1 Mind /Soul Example: Sora Special Heartless Ansem: 1 Heart + 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Special Nobody: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul Example: Zexion Special Nobody: 1 Body + 1 Mind / Soul [+ 1 Heart] Example: Axel So when a Somebody loses his heart he creates a heartless. The heart fades into darkness. The being left behind is a manifestation of the darkness the heart fades into. The classic form of a heartless has no heart and has a void form and no mind (classic case of a shadow creation). These heartless try to "steal hearts" (presumably of people - thus creating more heartless - and if they get the chance to, also those hearts lingering in the darkness). If a heartless manages to get a heart, this heart is released when he gets destroyed (Emblem Heartless). High Heartless can have a form and even carry over the mind (Seeker of Darkness) The body that is left behind turns into a mindless shell (classic case of a dusk creation) When the Somebody had a strong mind, this person also can create a high nobody (Org. XIII) therefore the persons left behind will and body from a new existence. This existence might be able to grow a new heart (details fruther down). The concept of "body" I speak of refers to an "own" body as a person, similar (roxas) or identical to the regional Somebody (Axel). While pureblood heartless or unversed can easily be imagines as lacking a body, higher heartless also lose their original forms and are therefore counted as formless or bodiless. Dusk and other lower nobodies are counted as having a body and yet this body gets changed. While higher nobodies can easily be imagined as having a bodily form, those lower nobodies (like dusks) still have some kind of shell-like body because they are what is left of a person's body-shell in the first place. This theory is also supported by the fact that nobodies (no matter whether humanoid or dusk) are higher beings than heartless because they consist certainly of at least one part (body) and this tries to from a second component of existence (heart) and higher ones even a will (making them like a complete being just the original being and heart is gone). So Nobodies have 1 or 2 or all 3 parts. Heartless don't have to have either to exist and lack minds in 99% of cases, and a body. And heartless lack their own hearts! We do not know if a pureblood heartless can change into an emblem heartless by stealing a heart or if the heartless has to stew a heart before manifesting from the darkness. Another point is that heartless STEAL hearts and therefore do not have their own hearts! Therefore they do not have control over this heart (thus they act like beasts) because they contain a random heart. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness, is the notable exemption because he gave up his heart on purpose and therefore could exist. He released his heart which didn't get swallowed by darkness but he regained control over it (and as a bodiless form he could initiate time travel - and this is the reason why not everyone can do it). So he was reduced to heart and mind. Xemnas was formed with mind and body. Therefore Ansem was almost complete again after regaining his body with Riku's help after possessing him and gathering strength in the process. It depends whether memories are also part of the mind or not. Too little is known about minds- like if memories are carried over as part of the mind (like most regular high nobodies) or not (roxas) and if this is part of the mind at all. Also the case of sentiments is not completely probed yet. Basically, minds are entities of self-consciousness (lingering sentiment) but memories are closely connected and even more important! So memories are definnitely engraved in the hearts in any way [Naminé says so] and therefore if the heart is lost memories can also stick to minds as a backup (therefore Lingering sentiment remembers Ven and Aqua lost and hatred for Xehanort although Terra's heart is lost to Xehanort) (or each high Nobody rememebers without having a heart) To exist on its own, aka to form a sentiment, a mind has to be extraordinarily strong! And therefore we can say a mind is "merely" a concept of self-reflexion/awareness and existence. It's easier to think about it this way than to call is soul because souls are surely harder to vanquish and recreate from scratch than the mind/awareness. Xehanort (apprentice) is even seen to "split" his will, as both his Heartless (Ansom) and Nobody (Xemnas) are 100% self-conscious each and acting as 2 individuals. [You see, it's rather a concept of self-awareness as a being rather than a soul concept] And actually it does not matter Lea's mind got transformed when turned into Axel. And it doesn not make any difference if Axel's mind fades completely and Lea's mind is recreated or if Axel's mind is just turned back into Lea's. The main point is that Lea was self-consious as Lea then also as Axel and then again also when becoming Lea again. [Maybe even slightly different each time (Axel is definitely more reluctant than Lea due to his missing heart in the begining - as well as Xehanort's manipulations) but It stays the SAME guy! Same memories- Proof: "Got it memorized?"] And this is also the main reason this concept plays a minor role in the series. If a Somebody dies, the Heart, Body as well as Mind die too! We also know that the heart is the CORE of existence and one only dies when the (original) heart dies or fades. Ansem was reduced to just a heart without a body (and existence hence mind?) In the worst case a weak somebody is reduced to a heart which is stolen by a formless shadow and mind as well as body fade. But the person is not dead until the heart dies and still can be saved. In order to erase someone completely from existence in the KH universe one would have to steal the person's heart. then distroy the remaining nobody (and if it's a higher nobody it's will) so there is no chance (or known way) the person's body could be restored. Next one would have to vanquish the heartless holding this heart and release the heart. The heart has nowhere to return to and would fade into darkness again or get caught up inside another heartless so one has to either gather it using a Keyblade or other device. As the last step one would have to destroy the heart which is now the floating essence of the person's existence as neither body, nor will exist. With the heart the existence as well as the memory would be erased and the person is gone forever. But basically, a heart is never lost for good, unless it is specifically targeted and destroyed like in the case I just mentioned. In some part of the reports, the soul is mentioned with a connection to the mind and heart. So when someone really dies in KH series, 1) Body 2) Mind 3) Heart Die and therefore 4) memories 5) soul Die with them and the person is completely annihilated. If a Heartless dies, the Heart gets released but it will return to darkness and might even get captured by yet another heartless unless released with a "key" (to be gathered at a central place a.k.a. Kingdom Hearts [of hearts] ) If a pureblood heartless dies, the darkness manifested fades away. If a Nobody dies, The Body and Mind die [and the Heart dies] Therefore: 1) The Princesses of Heart must be protected at all costs in order to protect their lights, cuz if they die, the light dies! 2) Axel and all other Nobodies GREW or nurtured their own hearts, of course!! (or at least partly or fragments of hearts) Therefore they were able to feel and act. This process of growing a heart is a natural process of the body of the original Somebody to replace what has been lost. It is unclear and unlikely a heart can be regained completely on this way. (these hearts "grow" so Nobodies can have fractions of hearts) This process has to be initiated by the connection with a REAL heart. Axel's case is the prime example for Sora's heart touching a Nodody and therefore initiating the growth of a heart. Axel is surprised he is enjoying his schemes in Castle Oblivion and states Sora 'must have rubbed off'. In KHII Xemnas confirms Sora's influence. Some other Nobodies in the Organization also grew hearts (or heart-buds) in order to her able to enjoy things (larxene - she enjoys pain?) [Luxord's love for his games; Demyx's music and fear]. WHEN Axel died, his body, mind and HEART died. And then LEA got restored with LEA's Heart (this is why the heartless has to be felled before this to release the original somebody’s heart) LEA: 1 Body, 1 Mind, 1 Heart Lost his heart and created: AXEL: 1 Body (Leas Body therefore he looks the same), 1 Mind Shadow (presumably): Lea’s Heart Axel grew a new heart and therefore was a complete incomplete being. Axel: Body, Mind, Heart (of facture of a heart) Shadow is felled: Lea’s heart is released. Axel died: Axel’s body, Mind and Heart fade away. But Lea is restored with his original Heart which is now free and his mind and body are restored too. [There is also a theory that says that the mind never fades until the somebody dies but the mind is rather carried over to the next high existence, so Lea's got definitely transferred over to Axel but it is unclear whether Axel's mind dies and Lea's got recreated or if Axel's got restored as Lea's but it doesn't matter because the memories are the most important part and they are part of heart and mind!] [Roxas' case if different alltogether and contradicts the main mind theory cuz Roxas, just like Naminé, has his own mind and if he were to die, his body, his mind (and Ven's heart) were to die and fade away - and how Sora would have been affected is unclear - mostly through his memories; also Ven's reaction to this fatal case is unprobed] Therefore, it does not matter whether nobodies grew their own hearts cuz if they died these hearts faded away anyway just like their existence and the original being got restored. HOWEVER: This is not true for SORA – ROXAS (Special Origin + Heart transfer +Reunion) KAIRI - NAMINE (Special Origin + Reunion) XION (did she ever have a heart?) AS IN DDD: Data DiZ states that Sora has been able to reunite with his Nobody without destroying him! Axel died in order to revive (as) Lea. Roxas never died, neither did Namine. Assuming Roxas didn’t have the need to grow a heart cuz he had Ven’s how could he ever be restored as an own person as he is the only nobody completely without an own heart?? Do you think Xion grew a heart too? If so her heart most likely faded away too. If Namine grew a heart, Kairi harbors it so namine would be easier to rstore as her own existence. Poor Roxas! Seems like he is the biggest nobody of them all! [Roxas might very well have started growing his own heart because he had Ven's heart inside of him. This heart was sleeping (which supports the thesis why he might have grown an own heart in the first place) but complete and therefore he could cry as the only nobody.] So according to all this Axel is Lea while not being Lea. So Axel really died while really being restored as Lea. So if Roxas ever got his own existence, the Axel/Lea he were to meet was not the same Axel he knew. So it is a sad story after all. Therfore, truly all (org. XIII) nobodies (including their bodies and possible hearts) are gone and their original selves are back!! This is why Lea does not have Axel's cheek marks!! And lastly: 1) It would be impossible to have Axel coexist with Lea because Axel HAD to die in order to Revive Lea (cuz lea was gone unless somone would have restored him from his shadow / heartless form but there was no special heart involved like in sora's Kairi's case) 2) It would have been unneccessary to have Lea AND Axel cuz they are 1 and the same existence! and I don't think this would have been scientiffically possible (again no Pure light involved) 3) The Special Case of Namine and Roxas is different cuz they do not only coexist with their somebodies but they also are their own existences and identities right from the beginning (like Mr. Nomura and DiZ stated since KHII they are most special Nobodies!!) 4) In case anyone is wondering WHO and WHY almost all characters that show up in DDD behind Sora in his "my friends are my power" statement against Xigbar, or Xemnas or Xehanort Junior (don't rmemebr, sora just states he's proud to be part of something bigger) These Are ALL heart connected to Sora AND Ven’s Heart! Either because they have close connections through friendship or love, or because they have somehow connected hearts My Only Question was: WHY is Naminé missing as the only one, all other main Characters are present. The reason is: Naminé is connected to Kairi’s Heart. It would be OK to include Naminé in this list but she is only connected to Sora’s heart in a “once removed instance”. Finally here is a list of everything connected to Sora’s Heart: Sora’s Heart: Ties of Love: Kairi Ties Of Friendship: Riku Donald Goofy (Mickey) Connected Hearts: Roxas [Xion] (in case Roxas Has a Heart she is a tie of friendship of Roxas’ heart; but still included as she is/was a replica of sora directly that was influenced by Sora’s memories of Kairi) Ven Ven is the Connection cuz his own heart has other connections: Ven’s Heart: Ties of Friendship: Aqua Terra Mickey (I think Mickey is even featured in his BbS outfit, hence the inclusion here) Naminé is connected to Sora because Sora harbored KAiri’s heart during KH1. When Releasing his and Kairi’s Heart both Roxas and Naminé were born. For this reason and because of this connection Naminé has pwers over Sora (or more precisely his memories). As Kairi’s Heart is no longer directly with Sora’s Naminé should be connected in a second instance like this: Sora’s Heart: Ties of Love: Kairi […] Kairi’s Heart: = Pure heart of light Ties of Love: Sora Ties of Friendship: Riku Selphie Wakka Tidus Princesses of Heart Demyx Connected Hearts Naminé Naminé could also be included in a “Memories connection” section for Sora Just like Xion can be included in this category for kairi. Lastly Roxas is the most complicated of them all because we don’t Know for sure whether he has a heart on his own: Roxas’ Heart: = nonexistent??? = Ven’s Heart Ties of Love: Naminé Ties Of Friendship: Axel Xion Demyx (he talks quite often about him compared to other members) Hayner Pence Olette Furthermore: Genie Zero (Jack’s dog) (Riku?) Ties of connected hearts: Ven Sora [Xion] (depending on what happened to her existence) And to round it up: The memory connections for Roxas include: Naminé (therefore shw and DiZ were able toreimplant the lost (Xion) memories at the beginning of KHII) Kairi (due to the closeness of Sora’s And Kairi’s heart at the creation of Naminé and Roxas all 4 of them are closely related and therefore wehen Naminé restored Sora’s Memory through Roxas in KHII Roxas was able to connect with Kairi and help her remember Sora’s name) These are just tiny extracts from all the connections of hearts; I forgot too many Ties of friendship (Selphie, Tidus, Wakka, Hayner, Olette, Pence) but I think I covered the most prominent. End of Theory :D PS: I rewrote some parts and edited several unclear passages. I hope everything is more precise now.

I just found the missing piece, check out my new thread where I resolve the whole HEART theory!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 IT FINALLY MAKES SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!! But what about roxas? OR NAminé or Xion. Those special cases that can or cannot exist on their own cuz they are NOT like their somebodies and the somebodies still exost too.

Yeah, true! Smart thinking!

I personally think there are more than 7: but seven are either the most radiant of them all or the only 7 that are known of or 7 that are confirmed as pure hearted or 7 current ones (so if one dies another one gets born)

You'Re absolutely right on Xehanort's manipulations! Maybe I'm just counting hearts too much. I see hearts as concrete countable objects but if hearts are more like identities or purposes / vindications for existance then it totally makes sense. Xehanort even manipluated Xehanort to a certain extend as he was driven mainly by the craving to exist, which he could anyway if he accepted the fact that the "inbetween" has just as much right to exist as light and dark. So Those certain parts of Xehanort might even turn theor backs on Xehanort himself in KHIII cuz they might be sick of just being someone else as Sora said "are you not afraid of just turning into someone else?" So IF hearts are like justifications for existance I could toitally see Nobodies become "self-aware" (As Xemnas states) and "get their own hearts". In that case, Roxas would only have to realiye he already has a heart rather than replace something that isn'tthere. Xion could have a heart and Axel too. When merging with Sora they could either give their hearts up or merge them with sora's as Ven did. The question sis how to un-merge those hearts again but I guess restoring those characters as won persons can do the trick. For Lea's case, If Axel nurtured his own heart by coming into conatct with Ven's and Sora's strong hearts he definitely became self-aware. He might even have been able to rebuild his very own heart so he just needed to get rid of the heartless to be complete again. But we would have to know an EXACT theory on how hearts are defined and how this works. Cuz if the heartless does not release the heart, the nobody cannot become whole and cannot rebuild the exact same heart either. Theroy 2: If Axel nurtured a heart, he might have something he could give up or merge with his heart once he becomes lea again so it always stays 1 heart for lea (like 2 cups of water getting combined in a bowl of water) Theory 3: this is based on a DDD summary I found on Youtube: the reviewer interpreted Xemans' words as only a paraphrase that nobodies become self-aware and realize the separation into nobodies and heartless is only temporary. So A Nobody Who is self aware can regain his heart as soon as the heartless is destroyed and the heart is freed. This would make sense for lea to a certain extend but not on th ewhole scale. Assuming Lea looks just like Axel because his cheek makrs disappeared after his shadow-liuke heartless returned his heart does not explain why he had feelings before that... Oh no, my bad, Axel got killed in KHII, my bad! For a moment I felt llike Axel just lost those cheek marks and became Lea again, sorry Is it just me or is all of this so Fricking complicated??? I hope KHIII explains what a heart really is and how exactly a nobody is restored to a somebody after its destruction and what happens to whichever hearts that are grown or released or lost.

Yeah, I'd totally expect something unexpected like Naminé wielding a badass Keyblade! Nomura is so unpredictable!

Sarcasm: How can you say DDD didn't do it right: Sora and Riku go back in time, steal their raft they already lost before traveling back in time to steal it from themselves,fight against Ursula who 1) has the trident's power she is going to steal months later, and wants revenge on the boy (sora) who is going to destroy her plans to take over the seas with her new powers she does not have yet but she still wants revenge on the boy whom she doesn't even know yet; and then The boys unlock Destiny Islands' keyhole of sleep ALTHOUGH the world is NOT even sleeping cuz it got restored properly at the end of KH1 and still some say the world got restored precisely because the boys restored it by unlocking the keyhole but they had been on the restored islands even before they went back in time to make sure it got woken up. And here's my favorite Part: XEHANORT had to gather 12 of his more-or-less selves scattered all over time and slip through this door to the realm of sleep; manipulate dreams, plan decades in advance, fail three times big-time and yet try to get Sora again ONLY to what avail? To FAIL AGAIN! So he established highly sophisticated rules of time traveling that include GIVING UP HIS BODY BUT to do ALL THIS Yen Sid just had to snip his fingers, haha. Cuz Yen Sid sent Sora and Riku back in time without all those problems or giving up his body. Seems like either Xehanort or Nomura is getting old!

I think they just saved the KAiri plots in KHII to build up tension for the climax. You can't say Kairi was unparticipant in the World that never was. But I see your point- she COULD have been incorporated more actively over the whole course. But I think the Story just focused on Sora and if you play the gma ein a slow pace, and KHII has maaaaaaaaany cutscenes, you might have forgotten where KAiri is if they had aplit up her actions over the course. And there were lots of other long scenes that would have been even longer if another plot element were told at the same time. They could have at least given a reason why she didn't come with them. Mickey brough Donald and Goofy as well. It's weird that Kairi is all like Ill always be with you and then she's just really shallow and like "you're gonna have this really dangerous graduation exam, so come back soon"

I admit I am exaggerating but I guess more people will feel the same way. KHIII has been hyped for a while now and long-time fans have been waiting for it since KHII. Everyone dreams what it would be like, Days and BbS (coded was too unimportant) kind of shaped and molded those dream-like illusions what KHIII is gonna be. It took them so long to announce it that it became almost legendary and an illusion by itself so when it finally got announced it is something huge and incredible. The danger of this is that everyone had so high hopes it is hard to fulfill them all. Despite this, DDD stirrd into a VASTLY different diresction which makes me just uncomfortable. Up to BbS the series went really smoothly and linear more ore less. Everything is pointing towards a final KHIII that will blow our minds! But realistically thinking, KHIII can only disappoint and with DDD this is most likely. I'm looking forward to be positively suroprised, though, and just a single Sora+Kairi officially romance scene is worth it. The graphics look amzing and I can't wait to see some cutscenes with voice acting! But I'm scared it won't be as good as KHII. But I still don't agree with "growing hearts" unless they say something like "a heart can be grown but it can never fully become a real heart". If Axel grew a heart and Lea regained HIS he still has more than 1 which is plain stupid. Why would Nomura state and proof his theory 1 somebody = 1 heart, 1 body, 1 mind ; for more than 10 years and then with one game say most characters have 1 3/8 hearts; 4 hearts; 2 5/7 hearts. It's just off!

Thank you very much - another Kairi+Sora shipper, I assume? They just belong together!! To me, even though I know little I came up with will be in the real deal KHIII, I still do hope we get to see this shipping! Most important thing, haha. Axel says in CoM: "He did have an effect on me after all. His heart must have rubbed off on me" or so, no literal quote So, taking ALL the facts from ALL the games into account it is ALL games against one sentence from DDD. Therefore Nobodies DON'T have hearts but can have heart-like reactions triggered by strong hearts. Only Roxas could cry for example because he had a heart - Ven's I hope the resolve this point in KHIII by making this clear again or else Poor lea will have to deal with 2 hearts at once!

DDD literally messed up what was stated as "true" in previous games (see my other pst for details) According to ALL other games the nobody theory works out, even if they decide to bring Roxas back. According to the new DDD theory Roxas ends up with 4 hearts at once "unless" they bring Roxas AND Xion back. But LEA gets stuck with 2 hearts that atre his own! I thought KAiri had a lot of active screentime in KHII but I could be failed by my memory. Surely, compared to the huge storylines in all the worlds Kairi's presence is kinda short, but she IS important. She's a princess of heart after all as well as a main character. What I also disliked in DDD is Excatly the fact KAiri din'T belong there. WHY wouldn't she come and watch the exam?