https://youtu.be/0cSru30RCWs

 

 

Oh my God, FINALLY!! I've been waiting for this to happen for at least a whole year now, ever since I finished the original DBZ! This has to be my most favorite arc out of the whole series, I absolutely love Super Buu as a villain and can't wait to hear if they get Justin Cook to come back and reprise his role (I mean, I think he voiced him in both Xenoverse games, so odds are high for that). It's great to hear Kyle Hebert as Gohan again as well, and Sean Shemel is in top form as ever. This might not have been one of the most exciting scenes to use as a preview, but fans aught to know by know what's in store with that arc so I think this is fitting enough as a "get ready to hop back on board the Kai train" kind of trailer. I mean, this is the first time I've ever been this excited about a tournament arc before, and it's one I've already seen before.

 

Anyway, it sounds like it's following the pattern most people have been theorizing for a while now, Toonami is going to start airing the new dubbed episodes of Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters every Saturday starting on 1/7/17 at Midnight ET, or roughly 9:00 PM for us West-coasters. They aught to be wrapping up the Cell Games arc any weekend now, so it's perfect timing to pick up viewership in anticipation for Funimation's eventual release of their dub for Dragon Ball Super, which takes place almost directly after DBZ's main events.

 

I got to tell you guys, I'm excited. I started marathoning the whole Dragon Ball series some time last year and just caught up roughly around the first half of the Fall semester this year, and I've been pretty inclusive so far. Everything from the original Dragon Ball, to the original Dragon Ball Z (I believe it was the blu-ray version on some website that's having technical issues now, so I won't bother linking it), all of the Dragon Ball and DBZ movies save the two most recent ones (saving that for right before Super), Dragon Ball GT (YES, I watched it, it was "okay", it's a thing that exists, it'd be a disgrace to the franchise as a whole to NOT watch it, get over it), and finally watching all of DBZ Kai that was released so far. It's been the wait for the Final Chapters that has been keeping me from watching Super so far, because while I have technically seen the end of DBZ already, the point of me watching Kai last was to kind of refresh my experience with Z so that by the time I finally watch Super it will all feel fresh...plus I absolutely love the Buu saga so I'm gonna let that be my grand finale damn it! Once that is finally caught up, I'll watch the Battle and Resurrection movies and odds are by then the first few episodes of Funimation's DB Super dub will be up so I'll have that to jump right in and binge to my inner-weeb's content.

 

So, anyone else excited by this? For the past two years it's been nothing but Funimation either saying "no, not yet" or "no comment" while most of the voice actors have been saying "yeah we basically finished work on this months ago", and now we finally have something concrete to be hyped over? Anyone else been looking forward to the arc that got a lot of Millenials into the original series in the first place?

Nah not excited, DBZ is so mediocre in my opinion. The constant awful spin offs, movies and general milking just adds fuel to the flames. 

 

Glad you enjoy it though

Edited December 15, 20169 yr by Barry Bacon Allen

Nah not excited, DBZ is so mediocre in my opinion. The constant awful spin offs, movies and general milking just adds fuel to the flames. 

 

Glad you enjoy it though

Oh...um...well uh, sorry to hear that. Thanks for humoring me tho.  "

If you followed the Super thread, you would know this already.

 

On topic: The Final Chapters getting a dub is great at all, but those who are uninformed, you should be aware of some things you might know about the production behind this installment of Kai.

 

First off, we're getting a specific cut of Buu Kai. There's two cuts, the "Japanese" cunt and the "International" cut. We're getting the International cut of course because we're America. There are various differences between them, including episode count, visual edits, soundtrack usage, and opening/ending theme songs. 

 

Second: it's long. Like, almost as long as the original Kai series. Yes, an entire arc of the series was cut down to at least 61 episodes (or 69 for international) from its original 100 or so because for some reason, TOEI wasn't as lenient as they were with the first Kai series in cutting down filler.

 

And thirdly: the remastered footage, for either cut, is not really up to par with how it was in the first Kai series. You can look up all kinds of info about it, but the biggest glaring flaws include a very noticeable green tint throughout all the episodes as well as the fact that the footage is cropped to 16:9 instead of the original 4:3, which was the standard in the first part of Kai. And unfortunately, given the footage that was linked for the dub clip, it doesn't look like FUNI was allowed to go in and make changes to any of this.

 

If you'd like a bit more clarification, this announcement is discussed in the latest episode of Kanzenshuu's podcast:

 

 

I'm not trying to be negative by saying Final Chapters is shit or anything, I just figured I'd provide some heads up considering these questions might pop up for new viewers when they start watching the show anyway. Not every change is that much of a deal breaker. Still, it's a little sad to know that TOEI didn't really put as much effort as they could into this part of Kai when they did the first three arcs pretty well. It's much sadder for us Americans because Kai is our only real source of buying a quality DragonBall product and yet it still isn't given as much care as it should. Maybe that'd help if FUNi actually gave us good DVD sets, like maybe a Sailor Moon-esque release of the first three anime or something, but I digress.

Edited December 15, 20169 yr by Firaga Sensei

If you followed the Super thread, you would know this already.

 

On topic: The Final Chapters getting a dub is great at all, but those who are uninformed, you should be aware of some things you might know about the production behind this installment of Kai.

 

First off, we're getting a specific cut of Buu Kai. There's two cuts, the "Japanese" cunt and the "International" cut. We're getting the International cut of course because we're America. There are various differences between them, including episode count, visual edits, soundtrack usage, and opening/ending theme songs. 

 

Second: it's long. Like, almost as long as the original Kai series. Yes, an entire arc of the series was cut down to at least 61 episodes (or 69 for international) from its original 100 or so because for some reason, TOEI wasn't as lenient as they were with the first Kai series in cutting down filler.

 

And thirdly: the remastered footage, for either cut, is not really up to par with how it was in the first Kai series. You can look up all kinds of info about it, but the biggest glaring flaws include a very noticeable green tint throughout all the episodes as well as the fact that the footage is cropped to 16:9 instead of the original 4:3, which was the standard in the first part of Kai. And unfortunately, given the footage that was linked for the dub clip, it doesn't look like FUNI was allowed to go in and make changes to any of this.

 

If you'd like a bit more clarification, this announcement is discussed in the latest episode of Kanzenshuu's podcast:

 

 

I'm not trying to be negative by saying Final Chapters is shit or anything, I just figured I'd provide some heads up considering these questions might pop up for new viewers when they start watching the show anyway. Not every change is that much of a deal breaker. Still, it's a little sad to know that TOEI didn't really put as much effort as they could into this part of Kai when they did the first three arcs pretty well. It's much sadder for us Americans because Kai is our only real source of buying a quality DragonBall product and yet it still isn't given as much care as it should. Maybe that'd help if FUNi actually gave us good DVD sets, like maybe a Sailor Moon-esque release of the first three anime or something, but I digress.

Well like I said, I'm trying to remain more in the dark about Super until I finish Kai. Frankly I feel like I've already heard too much from creators like MasakoX or even just regular chatter from random parts of the internet.

 

Well I guess that's a bit of a shame, but it's not really a deal breaker for me. I'm just happy we're finally getting this. I didn't mind the filler that much, I only really appreciated it being cut from some areas of Kai because I already experienced it once with the remastered DBZ. That's not to say I thought everything that was cut benefited the story however, I felt like cutting away most of Gohan's survival episodes in the Saiyan saga really undermined his character arc. Likewise, I don't think there's really too many filler episodes in the Buu saga that you can just casually skip over that wouldn't affect the flow and pace of the story, at least not in a way that benefits it. At most there's the Goten and Trunks shenanigans, but if you cut that out then what are they left with before going Gotenks? You could probably cut the middle part of the inside Buu part of the Super Buu saga, but then you might loose some funny moments (at least in my opinion). Really I think cutting down as far as they did was pretty reasonable for how the original product turned out, you can really tell by that point in the series that they were starting to spearhead the series with a bit more of a focus, so it makes sense that there isn't too much material to cut out that wouldn't be missed.

 

I don't mind the format change that much, but I'm not really aware of whatever problems people have with it. How exactly is 4:3 better than 16:9? Kind of sounds obsolete to me. Is it because it shows more of the shots than intended and leaves a lot of empty/useless space or something? Or do they just stretch out the image to fit the ratio, making everyone look slightly more "horizontal"? Are there visual problems with it like a character will just pop into existence out of nowhere before entering the "4:3 zone" (kind of like when people tried emulating the original KH2 into a 16:9 format)? Aside from that "green tint" thing you mentioned, I don't really see the inherent problem with a switch to 16:9, unless it's some kind of "DBZ purist" thing.

 

Also, what are the main differences, or at least most significant difference, between the Japanese cut and International cut? Like what makes it a big deal to consider in the first place? I'll check out that video you linked, but I'd also rather get a quick and easy layman's terms explanation from somebody I'm actually communicating to, since I'm busy with Finals and will likely just tune out the voices from the video anyway.

I felt like cutting away most of Gohan's survival episodes in the Saiyan saga really undermined his character arc.

 

I'm of the unpopular opinion that dictates that his episodes didn't do much except waste eveybody's time. Much like Z filler in general.

 

Likewise, I don't think there's really too many filler episodes in the Buu saga that you can just casually skip over that wouldn't affect the flow and pace of the story, at least not in a way that benefits it. At most there's the Goten and Trunks shenanigans, but if you cut that out then what are they left with before going Gotenks?

 

Some of it boils down to leaving in scenes that contradict the original manga such as seeing past villains in Hell. There are also entire episodes of stare-offs and standing around, just like in the original Z. Also: they kept a scene where Goten and Trunks were randomly taking a piss out in the mountains for no reason... I think that last statement pretty much sums up the issue.

 

How exactly is 4:3 better than 16:9? Kind of sounds obsolete to me. Is it because it shows more of the shots than intended and leaves a lot of empty/useless space or something?

 

The original footage for Z was produced in the 80s and 90s, so obviously, it doesn't originally exist in 16:9, but instead in 4:3. Unlike the first Kai series which retained the original framing, Kai is stretched to 16:9 for some reason. If you've ever seen the quality of the Z Orange Bricks, you'll understand why this is detrimental. On average, 20% of the vertical picture is lost, and around 5% is gained on the sides. The footage isn't intended to be viewed this way. Neither ratio is really better or worse than the other, it's all perspective, but still, taking footage that was specifically produced for a certain ratio and then cropping it to another one is a big no-no.

 

Aside from that "green tint" thing you mentioned, I don't really see the inherent problem with a switch to 16:9, unless it's some kind of "DBZ purist" thing.

 

The green tint issue isn't so much to do with aspect ratio as it does with color correction. Here's a comparison between how Kai looks and how Z looks:

 

 

See the difference?

 

Also, what are the main differences, or at least most significant difference, between the Japanese cut and International cut? Like what makes it a big deal to consider in the first place?

 

There's a lot of very minuscule episode-by-episode details I'd could bring up, but if I do that, we'd be here all day. What I detailed in my previous post pretty much sums it up, but if you want more info, there's been plenty of documented notes about Buu Kai ever since it started airing that you can find online, especially from people in the Kanzenshuu forums. They know their stuff.

I'm of the unpopular opinion that dictates that his episodes didn't do much except waste eveybody's time. Much like Z filler in general.

 

 

Some of it boils down to leaving in scenes that contradict the original manga such as seeing past villains in Hell. There are also entire episodes of stare-offs and standing around, just like in the original Z. Also: they kept a scene where Goten and Trunks were randomly taking a piss out in the mountains for no reason... I think that last statement pretty much sums up the issue.

 

 

The original footage for Z was produced in the 80s and 90s, so obviously, it doesn't originally exist in 16:9, but instead in 4:3. Unlike the first Kai series which retained the original framing, Kai is stretched to 16:9 for some reason. If you've ever seen the quality of the Z Orange Bricks, you'll understand why this is detrimental. On average, 20% of the vertical picture is lost, and around 5% is gained on the sides. The footage isn't intended to be viewed this way. Neither ratio is really better or worse than the other, it's all perspective, but still, taking footage that was specifically produced for a certain ratio and then cropping it to another one is a big no-no.

 

 

The green tint issue isn't so much to do with aspect ratio as it does with color correction. Here's a comparison between how Kai looks and how Z looks:

 

 

See the difference?

 

 

There's a lot of very minuscule episode-by-episode details I'd could bring up, but if I do that, we'd be here all day. What I detailed in my previous post pretty much sums it up, but if you want more info, there's been plenty of documented notes about Buu Kai ever since it started airing that you can find online, especially from people in the Kanzenshuu forums. They know their stuff.

Well I mean I could have done without the crying and whining he did every 5 seconds, but I really liked and appreciated seeing him grow instead of just being like his father from the very beginning. I guess I just identified with his struggling with living on his own a little bit more, since I was marathoning this in my first semester of college.

 

Okay, well fair enough, the less I have to see subjected to boys peeing in this series, the better. XD"

 

Well I guess it all depends on your preference. Really it doesn't bother me that much unless you've got both versions playing side by side at the same time, because in the end you're only going to see one version at any given point and your eye will just adjust to that naturally. Seeing it in the clip didn't really bother me that much, and I could only see it being a problem if it really looks obvious, like if certain parts of the frame don't look like they've been fitted in right or got sliced off entirely. It's just such a minor difference that I can't really be bothered by it too much.

 

But after seeing your green tint example, yeah I can agree that that will feel a bit problematic in some scenes. Again, I'll probably just get used to it after being exposed to it long enough, but I do prefer my remastered footage to look a lot cleaner than it originally turned out and not the other way around. I didn't really pick up on any tint in the clip they advertised, but again, if it was there, maybe it was too minor for me to notice, especially after not having seen that scene for a whole year now. Maybe it'll get cleaned up in some areas, or maybe it won't. Either way, not a deal breaker for me, just kind of a minor annoyance.

 

Still, a lot of these examples seem to only be more apparent when you have a side by side comparison going, and obviously they're only going to give you one version of it. So unless you have an eye for this sort of thing, these issues might not affect your experience too much, so I doubt they'll ruin it for me that much either. And as far as content goes, I guess I'm of a similarly unpopular opinion where I actually like the fillers of most animes, I usually prefer prolonging my experience with a series if it's mostly been positive so far, so the more content to "waste my time with", the better, as long as I enjoy it decently. I only get annoyed in special cases like with Bleach where they literally interrupt the current arc to give you something that you frankly could have tried to fit in before present events got so worked up in the first place. It would have interrupted the flow of the main story, but these arcs are kind of interrupting it anyway so if you're going to do it at all, why not do it in a way that makes sense? But point is, for some reason or another, I tend to be pretty fine with filler, so if the arc isn't getting that much cut out of it, I don't mind too much (awkward moments not withstanding...).

So unless you have an eye for this sort of thing, these issues might not affect your experience too much, so I doubt they'll ruin it for me that much either.

 

That's pretty much my overall point. It's also why I wanted to stress that even though someone like me can point them out easier than others, even I'm not going to let it detract from my overall experience. Like I mentioned, TOEI might have been a little lazier with the production, but at the very least, it's still mostly watchable.

 

And just to clarify: I am excited for the dub, I'm not just here to nitpick . At any point, I could have easily marathoned the entire show since it's been available to view in other places for at least two years now in its original langauge, and could have probably exposed myself a lot more clearly to the various problems it has, but since I started initially watching Kai on Toonami through the dub, going forward with the dub for Buu only makes sense consistency wise.

That's pretty much my overall point. It's also why I wanted to stress that even though someone like me can point them out easier than others, even I'm not going to let it detract from my overall experience. Like I mentioned, TOEI might have been a little lazier with the production, but at the very least, it's still mostly watchable.

 

And just to clarify: I am excited for the dub, I'm not just here to nitpick . At any point, I could have easily marathoned the entire show since it's been available to view in other places for at least two years now in its original langauge, and could have probably exposed myself a lot more clearly to the various problems it has, but since I started initially watching Kai on Toonami through the dub, going forward with the dub for Buu only makes sense consistency wise.

It's also kind of a nostalgia-boner for me, since I remember watching more of the Buu episodes when it was airing on Cartoon Network back when I was a kid, and I think that was the most I had ever seen of Dragon Ball at the time. Granted I didn't watch it religiously at the time, but I still saw a good chunk of it. And now it's back, practically full-circle. And I don't even need to pull out the rose-tinted goggles, they've already tinted it for me, lol. X)"

It's also kind of a nostalgia-boner for me, since I remember watching more of the Buu episodes when it was airing on Cartoon Network back when I was a kid, and I think that was the most I had ever seen of Dragon Ball at the time. Granted I didn't watch it religiously at the time, but I still saw a good chunk of it. And now it's back, practically full-circle. And I don't even need to pull out the rose-tinted goggles, they've already tinted it for me, lol. X)"

 

I feel the same way. Of course, I've made it clear that I have more "eclectic" preferences when it comes to DragonBall dubbing and voice acting, especially concerning FUNimation's dub for Z, but despite that, I've been very impressed with the work that the English cast has done for the first Kai. It's faithful to the characters, some actors return while others are understandably replaced, they follow the original script more closely, and best yet, all the actors are much, much more experienced than they were in the earlier 2000s and have a more deeper appreciation for what they do.

Well like I said, I'm trying to remain more in the dark about Super until I finish Kai. Frankly I feel like I've already heard too much from creators like MasakoX or even just regular chatter from random parts of the internet.

Super's going to start on Toonami the same day that Final Chapters does, so if you want to watch them both on Toonami, that might not really be such an easy option.

 

 

Either way, I'm excited for Final Chapters. I read the manga so I really don't care for all of the filler, and since I wasn't able to find the Buu Saga in manga format and had to resort to the original Z anime back when I was first getting into the series, I'm glad I'll get to see it in a format more faithful to the original story. I never really got around to watching the rest of Kai, but I know what happens anyway so I don't have an issue with jumping in here.

Super's going to start on Toonami the same day that Final Chapters does, so if you want to watch them both on Toonami, that might not really be such an easy option.

 

 

Either way, I'm excited for Final Chapters. I read the manga so I really don't care for all of the filler, and since I wasn't able to find the Buu Saga in manga format and had to resort to the original Z anime back when I was first getting into the series, I'm glad I'll get to see it in a format more faithful to the original story. I never really got around to watching the rest of Kai, but I know what happens anyway so I don't have an issue with jumping in here.

Well I mean I would have preferred to go in with all of Kai completed, as in my mind that's the last series before Super, release-wise, but I can put up with watching both back to back if I must. I mean, it would certainly be nice to be part of the ratings so that CN is encouraged to keep showing both shows. God knows they need to realize which shows they have are actually popular and which ones aren't.

it would certainly be nice to be part of the ratings so that CN is encouraged to keep showing both shows. God knows they need to realize which shows they have are actually popular and which ones aren't.

 

Uh, considering that Adult Swim is more Toonami than CN is anyway, it probably doesn't matter to them.

 

Also evident is the fact that AS already tried doing something like that by airing Kai at 8:00 before the block switch, and considering that even after that was done for a while and the result was us then and still now swimming in an endless sea of Teen Titans Go!, even Super's extra slot probably won't amount to much.

Uh, considering that Adult Swim is more Toonami than CN is anyway, it probably doesn't matter to them.

 

Also evident is the fact that AS already tried doing something like that by airing Kai at 8:00 before the block switch, and considering that even after that was done for a while and the result was us then and still now swimming in an endless sea of Teen Titans Go!, even Super's extra slot probably won't amount to much.

I know, I'm just desperately clinging to any small hope I can have of CN as a whole getting it's act together. Go! is just one small part of a larger problem that they have these days.

I know, I'm just desperately clinging to any small hope I can have of CN as a whole getting it's act together. Go! is just one small part of a larger problem that they have these days.

 

The sad part is that shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Gumball will be ending in the foreseeable future and give CN even more excuse for more Go.

 

On a more DragonBall Kai related note: I double checked the (provisional) cast list on FUNimation's blog, and to reiterate, most of the cast is the same as it was in DragonBall Z Kai, including the inclusion of Doc Morgan as the narrator, with the exception of minor roles being changed to new FUNI workers as well as the decision to recast Oolong from Brian Massey to his original VA Brad Jackson. You can see the full list below:

 

 

 

CHARACTER CAST GOHAN Kyle Hebert NARRATOR Doc Morgan ERASA Alexis Tipton VIDEL Kara Edwards SHARPNER Duncan Brannan GOKU Seán Schemmel YOUNG TRUNKS Laura Bailey CELL Dameon Clarke ANDROID 16 Jeremy Inman FRIEZA Chris Ayres YOUNG GOHAN Colleen Clinkenbeard KING KAI Seán Schemmel BULMA Monica Rial CHI-CHI Cynthia Cranz VEGETA Christopher R. Sabat MAYOR Charlie Campbell ROCK Phil Parsons GOTEN Kara Edwards MUSUKA J. Michael Tatum STRONGMAN Chuck Huber TOTO Mike McFarland CHOBI Monica Rial MRS. TOTO Rawly Pickens SOUTH KAI Jason Douglas BABA Linda Young OOLONG Brad Jackson OX KING Kyle Hebert PUAR Brina Palencia ANNOUNCER Eric Vale FAKE CELL Wally West FAKE MR. SATAN Jay Garrick FAKE GOKU Bart Allen IKOSE Josh Grelle JEWEL Robert McCollum YAMU John Burgmeier KIBITO Chuck Huber SPOPOVITCH Andrew T. Chandler PINTAR Chris Cason MIGHTY MASK Jim Foronda YOUNG GOKU Colleen Clinkenbeard IMAMU Apphia Yu IDASA’S MOM Jamie Marchi ANDROID 18 Colleen Clinkenbeard MR. POPO Chris Cason DENDE Justin Cook MASTER ROSHI Mike McFarland MARRON Tia Ballard TURTLE Chris Cason PAPOI J. Michael Tatum PICCOLO Christopher R. Sabat KRILLIN Sonny Strait BUBBLES Christopher R. Sabat YAMCHA Christopher R. Sabat GREGORY John Burgmeier TIEN John Burgmeier

 

 

 

   

 

The sad part is that shows like Adventure Time, Regular Show, and Gumball will be ending in the foreseeable future and give CN even more excuse for more Go.

 

On a more DragonBall Kai related note: I double checked the (provisional) cast list on FUNimation's blog, and to reiterate, most of the cast is the same as it was in DragonBall Z Kai, including the inclusion of Doc Morgan as the narrator, with the exception of minor roles being changed to new FUNI workers as well as the decision to recast Oolong from Brian Massey to his original VA Brad Jackson. You can see the full list below:

 

 

 

CHARACTER CAST GOHAN Kyle Hebert NARRATOR Doc Morgan ERASA Alexis Tipton VIDEL Kara Edwards SHARPNER Duncan Brannan GOKU Seán Schemmel YOUNG TRUNKS Laura Bailey CELL Dameon Clarke ANDROID 16 Jeremy Inman FRIEZA Chris Ayres YOUNG GOHAN Colleen Clinkenbeard KING KAI Seán Schemmel BULMA Monica Rial CHI-CHI Cynthia Cranz VEGETA Christopher R. Sabat MAYOR Charlie Campbell ROCK Phil Parsons GOTEN Kara Edwards MUSUKA J. Michael Tatum STRONGMAN Chuck Huber TOTO Mike McFarland CHOBI Monica Rial MRS. TOTO Rawly Pickens SOUTH KAI Jason Douglas BABA Linda Young OOLONG Brad Jackson OX KING Kyle Hebert PUAR Brina Palencia ANNOUNCER Eric Vale FAKE CELL Wally West FAKE MR. SATAN Jay Garrick FAKE GOKU Bart Allen IKOSE Josh Grelle JEWEL Robert McCollum YAMU John Burgmeier KIBITO Chuck Huber SPOPOVITCH Andrew T. Chandler PINTAR Chris Cason MIGHTY MASK Jim Foronda YOUNG GOKU Colleen Clinkenbeard IMAMU Apphia Yu IDASA’S MOM Jamie Marchi ANDROID 18 Colleen Clinkenbeard MR. POPO Chris Cason DENDE Justin Cook MASTER ROSHI Mike McFarland MARRON Tia Ballard TURTLE Chris Cason PAPOI J. Michael Tatum PICCOLO Christopher R. Sabat KRILLIN Sonny Strait BUBBLES Christopher R. Sabat YAMCHA Christopher R. Sabat GREGORY John Burgmeier TIEN John Burgmeier

 

 

 

   

 

And even more concerning, they don't seem to have that much interest in other creator-generated shows, like Galactic Kids Next Door. Hopefully Samurai Jack's return might change their minds on that, but then again that's part of the Adult Swim/Toonami block. One can only hope that they will start welcoming in more creator-based shows and less on mandated stuff.

 

As for the list, wow that's pretty considerable, though I am concerned that not all characters are mentioned in there. Like with Majin Buu, we can clearly tell that he's still voiced by Josh Martin in that Super clip Funimation released a while ago, but neither he nor Majin Buu are listed on here. Even more confusing, Justin Cook is on this list, but no Super Buu in sight either. I really hope this is just a sample list and not indicative of all the Funimation cast who was returning for this arc, cause there's just some voices that you can't replace that easily.

 

On a lighter note though, "Wally West"? "Jay Garrick"? "Bart Allen"? Lol, the psudo-names on some of these guys, I swear! Hope this means they'll get these out in a Flash. X)"

As for the list, wow that's pretty considerable, though I am concerned that not all characters are mentioned in there. Like with Majin Buu, we can clearly tell that he's still voiced by Josh Martin in that Super clip Funimation released a while ago, but neither he nor Majin Buu are listed on here. Even more confusing, Justin Cook is on this list, but no Super Buu in sight either. I really hope this is just a sample list and not indicative of all the Funimation cast who was returning for this arc, cause there's just some voices that you can't replace that easily.

 

This is no doubt just a starting list for the cast/characters we'll be seeing in the earliest episodes.

 

Although I hope Josh Martin changes his Good Buu voice up a bit....

This is no doubt just a starting list for the cast/characters we'll be seeing in the earliest episodes.

 

Although I hope Josh Martin changes his Good Buu voice up a bit....

Based on his Super performance, I kind of doubt that. Although, I wouldn't have it any other way. X)"

Based on his Super performance, I kind of doubt that. Although, I wouldn't have it any other way. X)"

 

I forgot about that clip...

 

I also don't hate Josh Martin, but his Buu is just too idiotic sounding plus its way too high pitched. The original Buu done by Kozo Shioya was a little deeper and raspier, and also captured the childlike essence of Buu without go as far as to make him seem completely unintelligent, which Josh Martin's unfortunately does. There's a difference between childlike innocence and borderline stupidity.

I forgot about that clip...

 

I also don't hate Josh Martin, but his Buu is just too idiotic sounding plus its way too high pitched. The original Buu done by Kozo Shioya was a little deeper and raspier, and also captured the childlike essence of Buu without go as far as to make him seem completely unintelligent, which Josh Martin's unfortunately does. There's a difference between childlike innocence and borderline stupidity.

Yeah well every Okay I'm just going to talk normally here, I'm fine with his Buu, it's what I'm familiar with, I really like it's deceivingly innocent and incompetent tone, I think it fits his character so well. I can understand why you would find it annoying or ill-fitting, but I dig it for different reasons I guess. Point is everyone has their own tastes I guess.

Yeah well every Okay I'm just going to talk normally here, I'm fine with his Buu, it's what I'm familiar with, I really like it's deceivingly innocent and incompetent tone, I think it fits his character so well. I can understand why you would find it annoying or ill-fitting, but I dig it for different reasons I guess. Point is everyone has their own tastes I guess.

 

But it's fun.

 

Well, anyways: what point of Josh Martin's Buu is "deceivingly" innocent?

But it's fun.

 

Well, anyways: what point of Josh Martin's Buu is "deceivingly" innocent?

Well just looking at the guy you wouldn't expect him to be a real threat...and then he just punches you into oblivion before turning you into chocolate. I think the voice really adds to that whole misleadingly weak thing. Plus the voice kind of gives a real sense of irony to the whole situation, that someone who sounds and acts so childish and simple is capable of destroying all life everywhere. It just adds to the delightful carnage to me, though I will always prefer Justin Cook and his Super Buu as my top DBZ villain. X3

Well just looking at the guy you wouldn't expect him to be a real threat...and then he just punches you into oblivion before turning you into chocolate. I think the voice really adds to that whole misleadingly weak thing. Plus the voice kind of gives a real sense of irony to the whole situation, that someone who sounds and acts so childish and simple is capable of destroying all life everywhere. It just adds to the delightful carnage to me, though I will always prefer Justin Cook and his Super Buu as my top DBZ villain. X3

 

Villains, or just opponents in general, not posing a threat based on appearance alone only to show off great power is a common trope used in DragonBall to carry the "real strength" theme. Fat Buu naturally follows this same trope. So I get that.

 

Still, my main point for Martin vs. Shioya is that the former sounds annoying and mentally handicapped while the latter is more subtle. It's the same problem I have with Christopher Sabat's Reacoom. When he first starting doing it, he gave him this sort-of Ivan Drago Russian accent that made him sound imposing but it was still loose enough to where it can match his eccentricity. However, around the time that Budokai 3 came out, he altered it to wear Reacoom literally sounded like he was handicapped as he sounded like a deaf person and his nature was played up in a way that suggested stupidity instead of eccentricity.

Villains, or just opponents in general, not posing a threat based on appearance alone only to show off great power is a common trope used in DragonBall to carry the "real strength" theme. Fat Buu naturally follows this same trope. So I get that.

 

Still, my main point for Martin vs. Shioya is that the former sounds annoying and mentally handicapped while the latter is more subtle. It's the same problem I have with Christopher Sabat's Reacoom. When he first starting doing it, he gave him this sort-of Ivan Drago Russian accent that made him sound imposing but it was still loose enough to where it can match his eccentricity. However, around the time that Budokai 3 came out, he altered it to wear Reacoom literally sounded like he was handicapped as he sounded like a deaf person and his nature was played up in a way that suggested stupidity instead of eccentricity.

Eh, guess I didn't care either way. :)"

Eh, guess I didn't care either way. :)"

 

So much for discussion then...

So much for discussion then...

I'm fine with discussion it's just this has been going on for a day now and I've got finals to work on, sooo..... T.T""