Don't take me the wrong way but I just can't imagen that Re coded, Unchained X and Dream Drop Distance are canon.

KH2 worlds feel to me they have a soul or atleast something that makes me believe they are real in this universe with Unchained X... The characters feel so... Lustless and there faces are covered (look I only know much about 2.8 so don't put your rifle in my face please)

In the KH trilogy (KH1, Re chain of memories and KH2 in my opinion) the Keyblade was something magical a ancient artefact... Now every freaking person can use it by touching it!

KH had this bond with friends but DDD was mostly Dream monsters and well COUGH COUGH Time travel.

So if Aqua, Terra and Ven are ''stronger'' than Sora than why do they fight like Keyblade starters of course I can understand because Nomura wrote himself in a corner with Soras power level I can understand but the only thing that makes Aqua stronger gameplay wise is magic like everybody else.

I am sick so sorry if I am not clear guys and girls... But this is something I have to say about KH lore and I am worried for 3

Yeah I understand what you mean. However I think there's a reason the faces of the Foretellers are covered. It's kinda like the Org. XIII members. Also there's a theory going around that they might look like the other characters in the series so maybe they are setting it up for a reveal later on.

 

As for the gameplay in BBS, I think that's because of the PSP hardware. If you look at the recent 0.2 trailer you can see Aqua fighting as fast as Sora in KH2 almost.

You can't just use the Keyblade by touching it. Only when you are worthy enough, then you can wield your own Keyblade. Or else Jack Sparrow would be fighting with a Keyblade now

 

DDD was still about friendship, Sora and Riku worked together the whole time, even tho they were separated. But it was the mark of mastery, so it made sense they have to do this journey on their own.

 

Dunno who said that TAV are stronger than Sora, I doubt Ventus is.

Pretty much like Felixx, said I'd just like to add that TAV aren't necessarily stronger than Sora, they just knew the proper way to weild it, while Sora improvised. But now Sora has the power of a Master and proper technique in addition to the ability to improvise when needed and powers they just lack like Drive Form, so he's stronger than them now.

In the KH trilogy (KH1, Re chain of memories and KH2 in my opinion) the Keyblade was something magical a ancient artefact... 

 

You know, just because more people use it doesn't mean it's not special. It's still a magical key that appears out of nowhere and is able to open any lock imaginable. 

 

And again, a total of four people used it throughout the timspan of these games: Sora, Riku, Kairi, and Roxas, so that part of the argument goes down the toilet too.

You know, just because more people use it doesn't mean it's not special. It's still a magical key that appears out of nowhere and is able to open any lock imaginable. 

 

And again, a total of four people used it throughout the timspan of these games: Sora, Riku, Kairi, and Roxas, so that part of the argument goes down the toilet too.

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Even more so.

Yeah that annoys me to. Hardly any of that stuff is mentioned clearly and just gets crammed in later.

ahhh so you have reached enlightenment 

 

yea that's what happens when you don't plan things out ahead of time. the first three KH games definitely feel very different compared to the later ones, especially DDD. the plot tries to have a grand and epic scale but really doesn't pull it off too well. 

 

first 3 KH games are a solid trilogy on their own and KH3 should have started off a new story separate from the last one.

Edited December 18, 20168 yr by Headphone Jack

Well, it's true that things have changed greatly since Kingdom Hearts II, but honestly, I'm all up for change! As long as I keep loving the games and find the gameplay mechanics and story awesome, I'll keep spending money on em, ya know? I get what you mean, though! There are aspects that have changed, but well, let's hope Kingdom Hearts III comes to a point where it satisfies at least most of the KH fans, ya know?

 

I'm just really excited for KHIII!

You know, just because more people use it doesn't mean it's not special. It's still a magical key that appears out of nowhere and is able to open any lock imaginable. 

 

And again, a total of four people used it throughout the timspan of these games: Sora, Riku, Kairi, and Roxas, so that part of the argument goes down the toilet too.

KH1 definitely preserved the "legendary myth" of the Keyblade the best, and the more they expanded upon it, the more convoluted they got. 

Although personally, I was able to accept everything up till the end of KH2; how each person's keyblade corresponds with each realm in the KH world, which consists of three that we know of; light, darkness, and the realm inbetween (twilight?).

 

Kairi's keyblade was pretty dumb tho lol

I've heard this before and even then I am confused on this kinda thinking. Oh well! Well I guess if I have to contribute to the convo:

 

Well believe it or not, every game after KH2 is canon. The reason that is, for all reasons, is to help fill in a few plot holes the games prior may have left. Although they do a pretty terrible job of it, but still. The greatest part of the games that come after is that they add new stories that still connect to what the games prior put forth in some way. I know it's confusing and it will likely take more time on earth than we might have left, but the whole thing is to be taken seriously as a sorta complete story. KH3 and every game after that will tell stories, but what kind is unknown. Xehanort will be defeated when KH3 releases, and I'm sure that the main antagonist of the next saga will likely have just as a convoluted plot.

KH1 definitely preserved the "legendary myth" of the Keyblade the best, and the more they expanded upon it, the more convoluted they got. 

Although personally, I was able to accept everything up till the end of KH2; how each person's keyblade corresponds with each realm in the KH world, which consists of three that we know of; light, darkness, and the realm inbetween (twilight?).

 

Kairi's keyblade was pretty dumb tho lol

 

Why does everything have to be a "legendary myth" anyway? Fans complain that things aren't explained, but then complain right back when we actually do get explanations. Make up your minds.

 

The Keyblade is a mysterious entity regardless of the lore established throughout the series because they are still sentient (sort of), they are linked only to the worlds through some spirtual manner regarding the relationship with keys and hearts and locks and whatnot and not to mention that literally everything about them only operates through some kind of magic. More than one person using it isn't going to ruin that grandeur.

Why does everything have to be a "legendary myth" anyway? Fans complain that things aren't explained, but then complain right back when we actually do get explanations. Make up your minds.

 

The Keyblade is a mysterious entity regardless of the lore established throughout the series because they are still sentient (sort of), they are linked only to the worlds through some spirtual manner regarding the relationship with keys and hearts and locks and whatnot and not to mention that literally everything about them only operates through some kind of magic. More than one person using it isn't going to ruin that grandeur.

You'll notice that there's two very different fans in the KH community; those who want an explanation for EVERYTHING, and those who look at the older games as a model for how much should be explained; as you might imagine, I'm in the latter.

 

Under the context that the game establishes, you need the "mysteriou nature" of the keyblade behind it in order to really emphasize your character as a hero and someone you want to play as. And I'm not saying that explaining a backstory is bad, but it's when they start giving you every single detail of how the keyblade first came to be is when it starts losing significance. 

 

And yeah, having more than one person wield a keyblade may not necessarily ruin keyblades in general and their grandeur, but then it makes you realize that Sora's Keyblade means nothing, simply one of thousands in the past. The only reason many empathizes with Sora in the first games is due to his status as the Keyblade wielder, and when you reveal that thousands more have existed in the past, and the idea of Keyblades can more or less be passed down from generations, it diminishes that feeling of importance.

 

Anyways, my point is that the story of the Keyblade of how it brings peace and ruin was perfectly fine in KH1, and they really didn't need to expand anymore upon it because it was accepted as is. Instead, when they add all this extra lore behind it, it just makes things so much more confusing. 

Under the context that the game establishes, you need the "mysteriou nature" of the keyblade behind it in order to really emphasize your character as a hero and someone you want to play as. And I'm not saying that explaining a backstory is bad, but it's when they start giving you every single detail of how the keyblade first came to be is when it starts losing significance.

 

Yes well, I'm also of the opinion that KH1 Sora is a boring sack of bricks and that the story in KH1 is pretty mediocre and simple compared to the more personal connections that the themes have on the series and characters in later games, so this point is sort of lost of me.

 

And yeah, having more than one person wield a keyblade may not necessarily ruin keyblades in general and their grandeur, but then it makes you realize that Sora's Keyblade means nothing, simply one of thousands in the past. The only reason many empathizes with Sora in the first games is due to his status as the Keyblade wielder, and when you reveal that thousands more have existed in the past, and the idea of Keyblades can more or less be passed down from generations, it diminishes that feeling of importance.

 

Saying a Keyblade means nothing just because more than one person is still inherently dumb as an argument because a Keyblade is, to put it bluntly, freaking awesome. I know that sounds superficial, but honestly, how can you say that it's just "meh" when it still has the power to unlock anything in the world, the ability to extract hearts from other beings, as well as being the only true weapon (for the Light based ones that is) against Darkness. Plus, them being artifacts that are passed down generation to generation makes more sense and holds more weight than "this weird key shaped thing just chose a kid one day because why not".

 

So in short, I guess you could say I'm more in the middle of deciding explanation vs mystery: if it needs to be explained, then explain it, and if not, then don't. If KH1 was a solo game with no planned material afterwards, the former sort of works, but this is a entire franchise full of characters, lores, backstories, universe-specific events and elements, etc, so just sticking with the "just because" route doesn't work in that regard.

Why does everything have to be a "legendary myth" anyway? Fans complain that things aren't explained, but then complain right back when we actually do get explanations. Make up your minds.

 

The Keyblade is a mysterious entity regardless of the lore established throughout the series because they are still sentient (sort of), they are linked only to the worlds through some spirtual manner regarding the relationship with keys and hearts and locks and whatnot and not to mention that literally everything about them only operates through some kind of magic. More than one person using it isn't going to ruin that grandeur.

Just because an explanation is there doesn't mean it's good. Time travel was an explanation, and it was a poor one. We complain because some of the explanations we end up getting leave room for more questions and aren't clever, they just seem like cheap cop outs because Nomura couldn't think of anything else.

 

 

As for your argument about keyblades being special. If everyone has a present is it really worth anything? Or is it worth more if only a couple of people have it? Having a Keyblade should have been a privellige and a reward for character development rather than just giving people them. Lea earned his, Riku earned his but Kairi got hers because she happened to be a Princess of heart despite the fact she hardly did anything useful in 7 games.

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by Barry Bacon Allen

Just because an explanation is there doesn't mean it's good.

 

There's nothing wrong with the Keyblade explanation.

 

As for your argument about keyblades being special. If everyone has a present is it really worth anything? Or is it worth more if only a couple of people have it? Having a Keyblade should have been a privellige and a reward for character development rather than just giving people them. Lea earned his, Riku earned his but Kairi got hers because she happened to be a Princess of heart despite the fact she hardly did anything useful in 7 games.

 

Again, it's a magic sword of awesomeness reserved for people of great power of heart, more people using it doesn't take away from that in the slightest. Sure, Kairi got hers out of nowhere, but she didn't just do "nothing" in KH2, she risked her own life to travel out of Destiny Islands to find Sora. Doesn't that reward at least something in return?

There's nothing wrong with the Keyblade explanation.

 

 

Again, it's a magic sword of awesomeness reserved for people of great power of heart, more people using it doesn't take away from that in the slightest. Sure, Kairi got hers out of nowhere, but she didn't just do "nothing" in KH2, she risked her own life to travel out of Destiny Islands to find Sora. Doesn't that reward at least something in return?

Compared to Axel and Riku, no-in my opinion.

Edited December 20, 20168 yr by Barry Bacon Allen

Compared to Axel and Riku, no-in my opinion.

 

They've done more yes, but that doesn't mean Kairi hasn't done anything whatsoever.

Besides, it's not like she instantly became powerful like Sora or Riku when she was given Destiny's Embrace. She has to be trained personally by Yen Sid (and potentially Riku since he has Master Rank now).