Sora/Xemnas/Vanitas/Roxas questions and theories

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

Okay. I haven't posted a theory in a while, but this is just something I was thinking about..

In KH1FM, when Xemnas approaches Sora, he says "You look just like him." Now, if you played KH2, you would automatically think he is referring to Roxas. But, KH1 Sora and Roxas do not bear too many similarities. I think Xemnas was referring to Vanitas...

 

And then (correct me if I am wrong), one year after Sora becomes a Heartless, and as he ages in the pod..he starts to look like Vanitas even more, save for the hair and the eyes.. Could Vanitas possibly had an influence on him during his time of sleep?

 

Also, he calls Sora "Incomplete one". Vanitas and Ventus were technically incomplete, since each of them owned only half a heart. Could Xemnas have confused Sora for Vanitas possibly? This is probably the least likely out of my three theories, since he most likely referring to Sora not having his "body".

 

But this leads on to my final question/theory. Is Roxas Sora's true Nobody? Here is why I ask this...

By KH standards, a Nobody is a persons body and soul. When Sora became a Heartless, he left behind his body and soul..right? It is assumed that Ventus' heart went inside Sora's body and took on the form of Roxas. But here is the thing..Sora should not have been able to function without a soul. In Kingdom Hearts, the soul is the very essence of life. So it is illogical for Sora to even continue to live without one. So how could Roxas hold Sora's soul?

[Reversal 53]

Okay. I haven't posted a theory in a while, but this is just something I was thinking about..

In KH1FM, when Xemnas approaches Sora, he says "You look just like him." Now, if you played KH2, you would automatically think he is referring to Roxas.

Because he is.

 

But, KH1 Sora and Roxas do not bear too many similarities. I think Xemnas was referring to Vanitas...

Nah. This is like a reverse theory for those "I've been to see him. He looks just like you" theories about Xemnas referring to Ven, when he was referring to Sora. He's comparing Sora and Roxas.

 

And then (correct me if I am wrong), one year after Sora becomes a Heartless, and as he ages in the pod..he starts to look like Vanitas even more, save for the hair and the eyes.. Could Vanitas possibly had an influence on him during his time of sleep?

Except that Vanitas took on Sora's appearance, not the other way around.

 

Also, he calls Sora "Incomplete one". Vanitas and Ventus were technically incomplete, since each of them owned only half a heart. Could Xemnas have confused Sora for Vanitas possibly? This is probably the least likely out of my three theories, since he most likely referring to Sora not having his "body".

Sora at that time was not complete. His body and soul (Roxas) were separate from his heart.

 

But this leads on to my final question/theory. Is Roxas Sora's true Nobody? Here is why I ask this...

Yes.

 

By KH standards, a Nobody is a persons body and soul.

In the narrower sense yes. In the broader sense, a Nobody is just the leftover shell one leaves behind when they become a Heartless.

 

When Sora became a Heartless, he left behind his body and soul..right?

Yeah.

 

It is assumed that Ventus' heart went inside Sora's body and took on the form of Roxas.

Yes, because Ven's heart, being incomplete and unable to return to his own body, had nowhere else to go.

 

But here is the thing..Sora should not have been able to function without a soul.

Kairi used her PoH powers, remember?

 

In Kingdom Hearts, the soul is the very essence of life.

It's the body's energy source. Let's look at Ansem SoD, a Heartless, in other words, a literal walking heart. He's doing perfectly fine, even before he took over Riku's body and soul. He was able to interact, move about, everything.

 

So it is illogical for Sora to even continue to live without one.

Not really.

 

So how could Roxas hold Sora's soul?

Because he just can.

[RoxSox 3,593]

 

And then (correct me if I am wrong), one year after Sora becomes a Heartless, and as he ages in the pod..he starts to look like Vanitas even more, save for the hair and the eyes.. Could Vanitas possibly had an influence on him during his time of sleep?

Except that Vanitas took on Sora's appearance, not the other way around.

 

 

 

But how does Vanitas look like KH2 Sora when he's first created, many months before Ventus connects himself to Sora?

That dun' make no sense.

/Proud supporter of Sora-like-Van, as opposed to Van-like-Sora

[SoraFanatic 27]

 

 

And then (correct me if I am wrong), one year after Sora becomes a Heartless, and as he ages in the pod..he starts to look like Vanitas even more, save for the hair and the eyes.. Could Vanitas possibly had an influence on him during his time of sleep?

Except that Vanitas took on Sora's appearance, not the other way around.

 

 

 

But how does Vanitas look like KH2 Sora when he's first created, many months before Ventus connects himself to Sora?

That dun' make no sense.

/Proud supporter of Sora-like-Van, as opposed to Van-like-Sora

 

im a supporter of Sora-like-Van too, until someone gives me evidence that makes sense to make me think otherwise. cuz as of right now i dont understand how Van-like-Sora is possible.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

The thing is. When Sora's helped Ventus with the whole heart situation in the beginning of BBS, Sora was only 4 years old. So why would Vanitas look like the 15 year old Sora then?

 

And also. It just seems odd that he would say "He looks just like you", when Sora and Roxas really don't look too similar. I seriously think this can be taken both ways, especially because of the other stuff Xemnas says to Roxas. "Do you remember your true name?". His obsessions over finding the Chamber of Waking. And as I recall (I might be wrong), he says something in Days along the line like "So you are asleep again", something like that. I remember seeing some post that.

 

Gah, okay. You explained the Sora living as a Heartless thing. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me, but oh well.

[Rob 5,571]

The thing is. When Sora's helped Ventus with the whole heart situation in the beginning of BBS, Sora was only 4 years old. So why would Vanitas look like the 15 year old Sora then?

 

You fail to remember that Vanitas came from Ven. Vanitas is everything that Ven is, just the opposite. Vanitas has the body of a 15 year old(Ven). Would it make sense for him to have the body of a 15 year old and look like a 4 year old kid?

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

 

The thing is. When Sora's helped Ventus with the whole heart situation in the beginning of BBS, Sora was only 4 years old. So why would Vanitas look like the 15 year old Sora then?

 

You fail to remember that Vanitas came from Ven. Vanitas is everything that Ven is, just the opposite. Vanitas has the body of a 15 year old(Ven). Would it make sense for him to have the body of a 15 year old and look like a 4 year old kid?

 

I know that Vanitas came from Ven. But Sora influenced the way Vanitas looked when Sora helped Ven complete his heart in the beginning of BBS..that's what I'm talking about. Of course it wouldn't make sense for him to have the face of a 4 year old kid, but Kingdom Hearts doesn't make sense as is, and this is just a question I am posing.

[Reversal 53]

The thing is. When Sora's helped Ventus with the whole heart situation in the beginning of BBS, Sora was only 4 years old. So why would Vanitas look like the 15 year old Sora then?

All things considered, you could say that Vanitas is a reflection of Ven. Since Ven is 15, he should be as well.

 

And also. It just seems odd that he would say "He looks just like you", when Sora and Roxas really don't look too similar.

But they do. They share the same face, technically speaking, and literally.

 

I seriously think this can be taken both ways, especially because of the other stuff Xemnas says to Roxas. "Do you remember your true name?". His obsessions over finding the Chamber of Waking. And as I recall (I might be wrong), he says something in Days along the line like "So you are asleep again", something like that. I remember seeing some post that.

Except that he keeps these mysterious Ven references to himself, and when he asked Roxas about his true name, that was in the same meeting he told him he looked like Sora. Here, check these out.

 

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Skip to 0:30 (couldn't fine one in English, but it's a follow up of the above scene ^^)

 

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[Xenes 0]

Not sure if this is a little off but...

 

Just letting you guys know when it all started Ven and Vanitas were both 11. At the beginning when it says a new heart meaning Sora was just born and then everything happened 4 years later.

 

But anyways back to the theories

[Reversal 53]

im a supporter of Sora-like-Van too' date=' until someone gives me evidence that makes sense to make me think otherwise. cuz as of right now i dont understand how Van-like-Sora is possible.

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Here, you can haz Nomura interview:

 

[Rob 5,571]

No, Vanitas, who was defeated by Ven did not influence Sora while he was sleeping because he was no longer in Ven's heart after he was destroyed. I hope this answered your question.

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

No, Vanitas, who was defeated by Ven did not influence Sora while he was sleeping because he was no longer in Ven's heart after he was destroyed. I hope this answered your question.

 

Thanks, that answered it.

[Rob 5,571]

 

No, Vanitas, who was defeated by Ven did not influence Sora while he was sleeping because he was no longer in Ven's heart after he was destroyed. I hope this answered your question.

 

Thanks, that answered it.

 

Your welcome. Pretty simple, isn't it?

[Space Cowboy 1,392]

That part was. Yes.

[Rob 5,571]

That part was. Yes.

 

Kingdom hearts isnt confusing if you think about what happened.

[MasterXemnas 2,285]

It seems like your finding facts to fit your theories instead of making theories to fit your facts

[Gameowner5 34]

It seems like your finding facts to fit your theories instead of making theories to fit your facts

 

when i readed (or however it is spelled) that i was like that SOOO totaly like someone in KH could have said