I'm probably going to get reactions of, "WUT NU HE AINT GOT NU NOBODY HES GOT XEMNAS U STOOPID", but let's think about this long and carefully. Hope you're good at math.

 

Heartless = beings of darkness; heart consumed by darkness

Nobody = non-existancing beings; body and soul.

 

Master Xehanort - Heart = Master Xehanort + Body and Soul

MX's Heart + Terra = Terra-Xehanort (Terranort)

 

As you can see from these equations, the body and soul are the product when MX released his heart. And they disappear...kind of like Eraqus'...but we'll get into that later.

 

Now let's go to Apprentice Xehanort's case:

 

Terra + MX's Heart + Eraqus' Heart + No Memories = Apprentice Xehanort

AX + Expose of Darkness - (Terra's Heart + MX's Heart + Eraqus' Heart) = AX + Terra's Body and Soul

 

Terra's Heart + MX's Heart + Eraqus' Heart + Consumption of Darkness = Ansem

Terra's Body and Soul + Influence from the three hearts = Xemnas

 

So this right here you can see that Terra's, MX's, and Eraqus' Heart were used to create the Apprentice Xehanort you know. It was then the three used to create Ansem and Xemnas.

 

But what I'm really trying to get here is that yes the Heartless used the three hearts and darkness to make Ansem, but the three hearts and ONLY Terra's Body and Soul was used to create Xemnas. MX's or Eraqus' was not used. This leads me to my next point.

 

No Heart is MX's Nobody. The sames goes with Armor of the Master is Eraqus' Nobody.

 

Here's the thing. There needs to be a Heartless in order for there to be a Nobody right? And the only way for MX's and Eraqus's Nobody to be born is by having AX lose those hearts, technically? Well does timing matter? Can a Nobody be born even when a year past and the body and soul have yet to do anything? I think so. Since when did timing matter anyway. As long as the Heartless is eventually created, then so will the Nobody. They'll be sharing Ansem as the Heartless.

 

It makes sense. If you think about Ansem and Xemnas being destroyed and MX coming back, it'll be obivious that he's coming back with Terra. And we all know that Sora's got to beat Xehanort without him fused, to "heal" Terra. So I theorize that MX and Terra will split. Only problem is that he would need his body and soul to be his original self. That's where No Heart comes in. If he gets defeated, then MX can turn back to himself to continue his conquest for one last time. If Armor of the Master Gets defeated, then Eraqus can have his heart back and with the body and soul, you'll have a Keyblade Master helping out against MX. Simple, right?

 

Nomura gave them the armor to trick you guys. He wanted to use that to hide their true identity. Some of you guys are thinking that the two are Sentiments and you're not getting it. If I put your logic together, then when Terranort comes back, he's going to function without a mind? I don't think so. He should technically be in a comatose state, since there is no mind. Then what, No Heart saves the day, being like, "HAI ME, I'M JUST GOING TO BECOME PART OF YOU, DON'T MIND ME!" (No pun intended). And Armor of the Master? Pfft, same thing. Besides, Sentiments are not showing up to be a problem, probably because Lingering Sentiment is the only one so far.

 

I'm not excatly sure how it works if Terranort co-exists with No Heart and Armor of the Master are existing, but overall it makes perfect sense. Now we just go to wait and see if this is right, or if Nomura throws a low curve ball and we find out that neither of them are Nobodies.

 

TL;DR: MX's and Eraqus' hearts were released into Terra, leaving behind the body and soul. When the three hearts were released from AX, they created the Heartless from the consumption of darkness, Ansem, while Terra's body and soul with MX and Eraqus influences created Xemnas. The other bodies and souls of MX and Eraqus are used to create seperate Nobodies of their own, No Heart and Armor of the Master.

1) You're kinda wrong on that. Only MX and Terra's hearts were used to result in Apprentice Xehanort coming to be.

 

2) The Hearless never made Ansem SoD. Heartless are created when a heart is consumed by darkness. Ansem SoD was just a reincarnation of MX/Apprentice Xehanort.

 

3) Whover said No Heart is MX's nobody? Just because his name is anagramed from "Xehanort" minus the X doesn't mean he is MX's nobody. You're assuming things here.

 

4) Nobodies are created regardless of what time period you are in. You don't need to be in a certain time period for a Nobody to be created. Once a nobody is created, the body fades into darkness, and the soul becomes an empty shell, which in this case is a Nobody.

 

5) We don't what form MX will take since he has returned. For all we know, MX might return as Terranort. So we will have to see. Again, you are making assumptions.

 

6) It hasn't been confirmed that No Heart is a sentument. Nomura never mrntioned anything about that. For all we know, No Heart could be just another form of MX. As for how Xehanort will come back, who knows if "Terranort" will be in a comatos state or not. You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

 

7) Nobody said No Heart and ES are nobodies. If they were, they why are they in armor? Explain that, for all we know, No Heart could be another form of MX and ES could be just Eraqus' Sentiment .

1) You're kinda wrong on that. Only MX and Terra's hearts were used to result in Apprentice Xehanort coming to be.

 

2) The Hearless never made Ansem SoD. Heartless are created when a heart is consumed by darkness. Ansem SoD was just a reincarnation of MX/Apprentice Xehanort.

 

3) Whover said No Heart is MX's nobody? Just because his name is anagramed from "Xehanort" minus the X doesn't mean he is MX's nobody. You're assuming things here.

 

4) Nobodies are created regardless of what time period you are in. You don't need to be in a certain time period for a Nobody to be created. Once a nobody is created, the body fades into darkness, and the soul becomes an empty shell, which in this case is a Nobody.

 

5) We don't what form MX will take since he has returned. For all we know, MX might return as Terranort. So we will have to see. Again, you are making assumptions.

 

6) It hasn't been confirmed that No Heart is a sentument. Nomura never mrntioned anything about that. For all we know, No Heart could be just another form of MX. As for how Xehanort will come back, who knows if "Terranort" will be in a comatos state or not. You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

 

7) Nobody said No Heart and ES are nobodies. If they were, they why are they in armor? Explain that, for all we know, No Heart could be another form of MX and ES could be just Eraqus' Sentiment .

 

Ok. First, Eraqus's heart was a part of Terra's, so technically speaking, he is part of Apprentice Xehanort. Next, Ansem, SoD is Xehanort's Heartless, not just a reincarnation.

 

As for a Nobody, it isn't just the soul. The body does not disappear, the two become the Nobody.

 

Next, just because they are in armor, does not rule out the idea that they could be Nobodies. Xemnas? Remember? He wore armor at one point.

 

And lastly, what he presented is a theory. He did not say flat out that this is the way it is. He is not making assumptions, he is placing ideas.

 

 

Now as for the theory itself, I hope I'm getting this right when you say that Nobodies can exist at one time, even if the Heartless is created later on. This could not be, otherwise, the Organization would have always existed.

 

Personally, I don't believe that they are Nobodies, simply because it was pointed out that Xemnas was the first Nobody.

 

1) You're kinda wrong on that. Only MX and Terra's hearts were used to result in Apprentice Xehanort coming to be.

 

2) The Hearless never made Ansem SoD. Heartless are created when a heart is consumed by darkness. Ansem SoD was just a reincarnation of MX/Apprentice Xehanort.

 

3) Whover said No Heart is MX's nobody? Just because his name is anagramed from "Xehanort" minus the X doesn't mean he is MX's nobody. You're assuming things here.

 

4) Nobodies are created regardless of what time period you are in. You don't need to be in a certain time period for a Nobody to be created. Once a nobody is created, the body fades into darkness, and the soul becomes an empty shell, which in this case is a Nobody.

 

5) We don't what form MX will take since he has returned. For all we know, MX might return as Terranort. So we will have to see. Again, you are making assumptions.

 

6) It hasn't been confirmed that No Heart is a sentument. Nomura never mrntioned anything about that. For all we know, No Heart could be just another form of MX. As for how Xehanort will come back, who knows if "Terranort" will be in a comatos state or not. You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

 

7) Nobody said No Heart and ES are nobodies. If they were, they why are they in armor? Explain that, for all we know, No Heart could be another form of MX and ES could be just Eraqus' Sentiment .

 

Ok. First, Eraqus's heart was a part of Terra's, so technically speaking, he is part of Apprentice Xehanort. Next, Ansem, SoD is Xehanort's Heartless, not just a reincarnation.

 

As for a Nobody, it isn't just the soul. The body does not disappear, the two become the Nobody.

 

Next, just because they are in armor, does not rule out the idea that they could be Nobodies. Xemnas? Remember? He wore armor at one point.

 

And lastly, what he presented is a theory. He did not say flat out that this is the way it is. He is not making assumptions, he is placing ideas.

 

 

Now as for the theory itself, I hope I'm getting this right when you say that Nobodies can exist at one time, even if the Heartless is created later on. This could not be, otherwise, the Organization would have always existed.

 

Personally, I don't believe that they are Nobodies, simply because it was pointed out that Xemnas was the first Nobody.

 

For one, yes I know Ansem Sod is Apprentice Xehanort's heartless, I'm not stupid.

 

Secondly, sure Xemnas was in armor, but that was because he merged with KH itself. But LS was in armor as well. So it could be possible that ES and No Heart are Sentiments.

 

Thirdly, I was just saying that he was asumming things. No reason to bash on me because of what I said *shrugs*. It's my opinion. But meh, whatever .

1) You're kinda wrong on that. Only MX and Terra's hearts were used to result in Apprentice Xehanort coming to be.

 

So? Eraqus' heart was apart of him, therefore he's part of equation.

 

2) The Hearless never made Ansem SoD. Heartless are created when a heart is consumed by darkness. Ansem SoD was just a reincarnation of MX/Apprentice Xehanort.

 

I never said that. Read what I said again.

 

3) Whover said No Heart is MX's nobody? Just because his name is anagramed from "Xehanort" minus the X doesn't mean he is MX's nobody. You're assuming things here.

 

So I didn't assume because I never said that. READ CAREFULLY. Stop making assumptions from my post. I clearly did not mention any Xs. I would know because I wrote this.

 

4) Nobodies are created regardless of what time period you are in. You don't need to be in a certain time period for a Nobody to be created. Once a nobody is created, the body fades into darkness, and the soul becomes an empty shell, which in this case is a Nobody.

 

You misunderstood me. I said how long can the body and soul can go without turning into a Nobody when a Heartless is yet to be born, not a time peroid. You need glasses or something if you're twisting my words around.

 

5) We don't what form MX will take since he has returned. For all we know, MX might return as Terranort. So we will have to see. Again, you are making assumptions.

 

I did say MX will return as Terranort...your eyes are THAT bad?

 

I didn't assume. It's the only logical choice here in this situation.

 

6) It hasn't been confirmed that No Heart is a sentument. Nomura never mrntioned anything about that. For all we know, No Heart could be just another form of MX. As for how Xehanort will come back, who knows if "Terranort" will be in a comatos state or not. You're getting a little ahead of yourself.

 

The only person who is getting a little over their head is you. You clearly can't understand anything I say.

 

Not to mention I just pointed out why it can't be a Sentiment. You can still say it's a Sentiment, nothing's confirmed here. But I told you why, and I used te logic out of it, and it could not be possible.

 

7) Nobody said No Heart and ES are nobodies. If they were, they why are they in armor? Explain that, for all we know, No Heart could be another form of MX and ES could be just Eraqus' Sentiment .

 

Goodness graciess great balls of fire...

 

 

Stop posting. I can't tell you how much I'm facepalming, after all that time explaining and trying make sure it makes sense, it's ruined. Thanks. You don't know what you're talking about and you yourself are making assumptions.

 

Now as for the theory itself, I hope I'm getting this right when you say that Nobodies can exist at one time, even if the Heartless is created later on. This could not be, otherwise, the Organization would have always existed.

 

Personally, I don't believe that they are Nobodies, simply because it was pointed out that Xemnas was the first Nobody.

 

No I mean like when the body and soul disappear, ready to be a Nobody, but there has yet to be a Heartless. MX's and Eraqus' body faded away when the hearts left them. But their Heartless (Ansem) isn't created until later on. So I'm not sure what happens to the body or the soul, but I assume they are ok until the Heartless is created.

 

Xemnas is not the first Nobody. Nobodies existed before Xemnas. Remember, for every Heartless, there has to be a Nobody. Those Neoshadows you saw in BBs are a perfect example. They have Nobody counterparts (for Neoshadow is it Dusk?). They didn't show Nobodies because they served no purpose. They were just empty shells. And the threat of Nobodies wasn't high because there was no Organization, no one to control them, to do their bidding.

Xemnas is not the first Nobody. Nobodies existed before Xemnas. Remember, for every Heartless, there has to be a Nobody. Those Neoshadows you saw in BBs are a perfect example. They have Nobody counterparts (for Neoshadow is it Dusk?). They didn't show Nobodies because they served no purpose. They were just empty shells. And the threat of Nobodies wasn't high because there was no Organization, no one to control them, to do their bidding.

 

That's assuming there were actually strong-hearted people in the Realm of Darkness to lose their hearts to the darkness.

 

But anyways, really the main reason I disagree with the entire thing is because I don't believe these two are canon. At all, especially considering they're in the Mirage Arena.

 

Xemnas is not the first Nobody. Nobodies existed before Xemnas. Remember, for every Heartless, there has to be a Nobody. Those Neoshadows you saw in BBs are a perfect example. They have Nobody counterparts (for Neoshadow is it Dusk?). They didn't show Nobodies because they served no purpose. They were just empty shells. And the threat of Nobodies wasn't high because there was no Organization, no one to control them, to do their bidding.

 

That's assuming there were actually strong-hearted people in the Realm of Darkness to lose their hearts to the darkness.

 

But anyways, really the main reason I disagree with the entire thing is because I don't believe these two are canon. At all, especially considering they're in the Mirage Arena.

 

Meh, who knows.

 

Hold on, hold on, let's not jump to conclusions here. The battle is in fact non-canon, yes. The actual characters can be canon. They don't necessary have to be non-canon just because the battle is. That and it ruins my fun it wasn't D8. Although I'm going ahead and assuming things about them, there are hints about that are led me to question their very existance. There's something about them that makes me think they are going to play a bigger role than expected (or at least in future games like 3D, the mystery game, and KH3)

Epic facepalm there, my friend. I really think your on to something. I can't wait to see if its true or not!

Personally doubt it's canon, Mirage Arena and all.

But I'd like to take a moment to address Lingering 'Sentiments' The official translation is Lingering Spirit, as seen in VLS. They are a lingering spirit, not a personification of a persons mind. Just because a person has a lingering spirit doesn't mean they don't have a mind. Hell, in KH it seems more important to have a heart, which seems to cover all body processes.

But I'm just getting tired of people ringing up Lingering Sentiments (This is actually kinda why I like this theory) Refusing to call them by their canon name doesn't just change their purpose. Sentiment was only ever a fan-translation, yet people still use the name after BBS, mostly to 'confirm' their theories (Usually they act like we actually KNOW stuff about what a Lingering Spirit IS. We don't know how or why they are created, or what they are. We don't know the extent of their emotions, power, or if they can exist as real people)

 

That said, I still don't think these battles are canon, I think they're just ways of showing us things we haven't seen yet, such as Eraqus' armour, and Xemnass keyblade.

Xemnas is not the first Nobody. Nobodies existed before Xemnas. Remember' date=' for every Heartless, there has to be a Nobody. Those Neoshadows you saw in BBs are a perfect example. They have Nobody counterparts (for Neoshadow is it Dusk?). They didn't show Nobodies because they served no purpose. They were just empty shells. And the threat of Nobodies wasn't high because there was no Organization, no one to control them, to do their bidding.

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Not all Heartless have a Nobody counterpart. The Neoshadows and such are all Purebloods that come form the Realm of Darkness directly.

 

And I forget where, but it was stated somewhere that Xemnas was the first Nobody, having control of Nothingness itself and all the Nobodies.

Hmm... I say: No Heart = Master Xehanort's Nobody

Armor of The Master = Master Eraqus's Sentiment.

Xemnas is not the first Nobody. Nobodies existed before Xemnas. Remember' date=' for every Heartless, there has to be a Nobody. Those Neoshadows you saw in BBs are a perfect example. They have Nobody counterparts (for Neoshadow is it Dusk?). They didn't show Nobodies because they served no purpose. They were just empty shells. And the threat of Nobodies wasn't high because there was no Organization, no one to control them, to do their bidding.

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Not all Heartless have a Nobody counterpart. The Neoshadows and such are all Purebloods that come form the Realm of Darkness directly.

 

And I forget where, but it was stated somewhere that Xemnas was the first Nobody, having control of Nothingness itself and all the Nobodies.

 

Whoops, I phrased it wrong. I meant to say, " For every Heartless born from people's heart, there is a Nobody.

 

Again, still doesn't make Xemnas the first Nobody.

Whoops, I phrased it wrong. I meant to say, " For every Heartless born from people's heart, there is a Nobody.

 

Again, still doesn't make Xemnas the first Nobody.

 

That's still not quite right. A Nobody is only born from someone with a strong heart. So just because there is a Heartless, even one from a person, doesn't mean there has to be a Nobody. Now if they had a strong heart, then yeah, there'd be a Nobody.

 

Whoops, I phrased it wrong. I meant to say, " For every Heartless born from people's heart, there is a Nobody.

 

Again, still doesn't make Xemnas the first Nobody.

 

That's still not quite right. A Nobody is only born from someone with a strong heart. So just because there is a Heartless, even one from a person, doesn't mean there has to be a Nobody. Now if they had a strong heart, then yeah, there'd be a Nobody.

 

No, it's quite right. You're mixed up.

 

A Nobody can be born from any heart (as long as the Heartless has at least taken the heart). It's a strong will that counts.

 

If someone's will is strong enough, they will be able to live on as Nobodies. A Nobody will be created in the process, but if the will's not strong enough, they won't be able to continue on as Nobodies. They'll probably end up fading away. Those with the strongest will can be able to retain a humanoid shape-like form. Those who have strong wills can still live on, but only as lesser Nobodies, such as a Dusk or a Creeper.

 

So:

 

Nobody =/= Strong Heart

Nobody = Strong Will

 

Heart has nothing to do with the Nobody's creation (unlike Roxas, but that's a different story).