Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

That would make sense, because the power of the keyblade comes from the wielder's heart, so..if no heart, no keyblade.

That's what I was thinking.

good explanations though ^_^

The reason Roxas could use a Keyblade was confirmed to be because he is Sora's Nobody. Xehanort lost all of his memories, and thus forgot that he had a Keyblade, and also forgot how to use it, which probably passed on to Xemnas.

That's always why I thought he couldn't use one. I actually posted a thread about this theory a while back.

Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

 

its never been said that Ven's heart is in Roxas. Stop assuming.

 

 

 

 

Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

 

its never been said that Ven's heart is in Roxas. Stop assuming.

 

"-- Roxas, the "Sora + Ventus" Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast Xemnas, the "Terra + Master Xehanort" Nobody, wasn't able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

 

Nomura: I'd rather that point remain a mystery. It's possible that he intentionally wasn't using one."

 

http://forums.khinsi...-interview.html

 

There you go. Evidence. /thread

Roxas is able to use the Keyblade because he is Sora's Nobody.

 

Roxas is able to use two Keyblades because of Ven's heart in Roxas.

 

Roxas awakens the ability to use two Keblades from absorbing Xion.

 

Simple, yes?

 

The reason Roxas could use a Keyblade was confirmed to be because he is Sora's Nobody. Xehanort lost all of his memories, and thus forgot that he had a Keyblade, and also forgot how to use it, which probably passed on to Xemnas.

 

This makes the most sense when it comes to Xehanort and Xemnas. If you read the Ansem Reports, before losing his heart, his reports make no mention of remembering a Keyblade, nor actually remember anything. Any knowledge of the Keyblade is not there. So when Xemnas was born, same thing happened. Eventually, through the Chamber of Repose, he slowly begins to regain his memories. But because technically the original self was unable to wield a Keyblade, Xemnas wouldn't of been able to.

 

Long story short, Xemnas can still be able to use the Keyblade because of Xehanort, but because Xehanort had no memory of the Keyblade or newfound experience, Xemnas probably couldn't summon one.

 

Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

 

its never been said that Ven's heart is in Roxas. Stop assuming.

 

It is implied though because Nomura did say that Ven and Sora were Roxas' "true selves" and there is overwhelming evidence at Ven's heart being in Roxas. Also Nomura likes to leave quite a bit to the fans to figure stuff out, but that's why were here discussing right now huh.

 

Anyways, Nomura did say it was possible that Xemnas was choosing not to wield. Of course Roxas' situation complicates everything. I think that there is a connection between Nomura remaining vague with Roxas and also throwing in the possibility of xemnas chosing not to wield. If Nomura flat out said Roxas had Vens heart this discution would go somehting like this:

 

 

Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

 

That's right, but that doesn't mean that Roxas could wield because and only because he had Ven's heart. It might have been because he was that nobody of a person who wielded a keyblade. Stop assuming.

 

Well, if we take Roxas' duel wielding for example Roxas must had to acquire one keyblade from having Vens heart and the other from being a wielder of a keyblade. (this sentence could not have been confirmed without Nomura confirming Roxas holding Vens heart.) This proves that the nobody of a person who wields can wield as well, and hence Xemnas can wield a keyblade. Because Nomura said it was possible for him to be choosing not to, and that it is now confirmed Xemnas can wield we know that Xemnas was Chosing not to wield.

 

This is why Nomura could not confirm Roxas having Vens heart and this also proves that Xemans can wield and just chose not to, but Nomura couldn't confirm roxas other wise he would be confirming this also.

now now fan boys and gals lets not fight............hahaha

now now fan boys and gals lets not fight............hahaha

 

not fighting just hate lack of evidence and assuming.

 

 

 

Roxas is able to use the Keyblade because he is Sora's Nobody.

 

Roxas is able to use two Keyblades because of Ven's heart in Sora (fixed).

 

Roxas awakens the ability to use two Keblades from absorbing Xion.

 

Simple, yes?

 

 

The reason Roxas could use a Keyblade was confirmed to be because he is Sora's Nobody. Xehanort lost all of his memories, and thus forgot that he had a Keyblade, and also forgot how to use it, which probably passed on to Xemnas.

 

This makes the most sense when it comes to Xehanort and Xemnas. If you read the Ansem Reports, before losing his heart, his reports make no mention of remembering a Keyblade, nor actually remember anything. Any knowledge of the Keyblade is not there. So when Xemnas was born, same thing happened. Eventually, through the Chamber of Repose, he slowly begins to regain his memories. But because technically the original self was unable to wield a Keyblade, Xemnas wouldn't of been able to.

 

Long story short, Xemnas can still be able to use the Keyblade because of Xehanort, but because Xehanort had no memory of the Keyblade or newfound experience, Xemnas probably couldn't summon one.

 

Exactly and thats why he can't use the dark thing behind Xehanort too

Well, zeno247naruto12's heart attack thread got me thinking about the connection between the keyblade and the heart. What if the reason Xemnas couldn't use a keyblade is because he doesn't have a heart? We all know that Roxas could use it because he had Ven's heart inside him. What do you guys think?

 

well, Roxas has ventus's heart inside of him, which is why he looks like Ven and showed some emotions. but that's not the main reason why he could use a keyblade. it's mostly because he is the nobody of Sora. As for Xemnas, the reason why he doesn't use the keyblade was because back when he was Aprrentice Xehanort he couldn't remember exactly to use the keyblade. All he knew was his name thanks to Master xehanort making Terra's body stab himself with Xehanort's keyblade, which caused Terranort to lose his memories in the process. So since Xemnas is the nobody of Aprrentice Xehanort, he can't remember how to use the keyblade as well.

ok ppl you really overthink this stuff. if xemnas weilded a keyblade (which he doesn't!) he wouldn't have needed roxas or xion. remember how when xion begins to get stronger in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days that xemnas tries to get rid of roxas by using xion? both xion and roxas thought they were a heartless to the other, and axel intervenes. well then when roxas finally runs away and then defeats xion for good, there is a scene where xemnas and saix meet and saix informs that xion is no more, and xemnas tells him that he wants his keyblade wielder back a.k.a roxas. And then the fight to get roxas back continues in KH2 until roxas reunites with sora. so if xemnas did have a keyblade, i doubt he would've gone through all that trouble if he did have a keyblade, although it would be really shocking ending for sora and the gang if during the final fights against xemnas he all of a sudden pulled out a keyblade.

how about we settle for this:

As Apprentice Xehanort didn't remember how to use the keyblade neither does Xemnas, BUT he is able to use the keyblade he just doesn't know it or to summon it. Like what happened to Xion, she "forgot" how to summon the keyblade. So let's give Xemnas a keyblade and see if he remembers how to use it.(just kidding this last part:D) So if he or Apprentice Xehanort had had contact with the keyblade(and by contact I mean use it in combat and other situations) maybe they could wield the keyblade.

Roxas is able to use two Keyblades because of Ven's heart in Sora (fixed).

 

You know, attempting to "fix" my post clearly tells me you're not too bright, are you? Especially since you got no proof to back you up.

 

After Sora's heart was released, Ven's heart stayed behind within the body and soul. When it came time for Roxas to be born, he took on the appearence of Ven.

 

Which is what I want to talk about now. You can easily tell Roxas looks like Ven. Roxas could not of taken Ven's appearence if Ven's heart went with Sora's. It doesn't make sense. How do I know this? Well look at Xemnas. Apprentice Xehanort went too deep in darkness and lost his heart. Of course, it's not just heart, it's hearts. He released Terra's, MX's, and Eraqus' heart at the same time. All three made Ansem (the Heartless) and Xemnas (the Nobody). Interesting how Xemnas looks like Terra/Terranort and not MX. If MX's heart was inside Xemnas, then he would take appearence of MX, not Terranort. So your logic doesn't make any sense and just a awesome assumption. Herp derp.

 

Second point is Keyblades. Roxas could only wield ONE Keyblade with just being Sora's Nobody. With Ven's heart, he is able to wield two. He couldn't do this until he absorb Xion, which granted him the ability to do so. Roxas is not Ven's Nobody. He is Sora's Nobody. Ven never lost his heart. It just escaped from the body and went to go bridge with Sora's heart once again. So he would not of been able to use Ven's Keyblade unless the heart was present in the Nobody, which it was. Therefore, is able to wield two, thanks to Ven.

 

Third and final point is if you actually played 358/2 Days (within your post, I highly doubt). You notice how Roxas shows true emotion, like how he grew very angry at DiZ or when he cried for Xion's death. I honestly believe that Nobodies can't go to the point of even that.

 

Other points to mention:

 

-Axel asked Roxas if he had a heart. Roxas denied, but with just that question suspiciously hints that idea.

-Axel says Roxas made him feel like he had a heart. In CoM (don't what he felt, probably felt terrible), Axel was laughing, but stopped and began to feel. That was probably because of Sora. Mostly likely because of Sora having a heart. Roxas couldn't do that unless he had a heart. Ven's heart, bingo.

-Roxas faints he goes to Castle Oblivion. Ven's body rests within the Chamber of Waking, which is in Castle Oblivion. If Ven's heart was in Sora, then why did he faint when he was close to Ven, but didn't faint when he was close to Sora? It doesn't make sense. So if you can explain this, then we'll talk.

 

So congrats, you think that you proved everyone wrong that Ven's heart was in Sora, yet I can come up with more than 5 reasons for Ven's heart in Roxas. It says a lot about you.

Right. Sure it never says Ven's heart is in Roxas, nor is it confirmed. However it is implied, due to what DeathSkull said. Yes, I was mistaken when I said that Roxas could wield due to Ven's heart, however it is Ven's heart that allows him to dual wield. Now, this is an assumption, but I think that Roxas couldn't dual wield before because of Xion. She was siphoning his strength, so he couldn't dual wield until she was gone had he had his full strength.

 

Okay, so it may have been his lack of memories that kept Xemnas from using the Keyblade but think about this. Roxas didn't know anything about Sora or Ven, yet he was able to use a Keyblade. And at the begining of KH2, Roxas doesn't even have remember using a Keyblade. He doesn't even remember what a Keyblade is. It just appears in his hand, sure it's a data one, but it's still a Keyblade.