My take on the the whole identity of Young Xehanort.

 

So before I begin, I'll just keep these two quotes from Nomura right here, in this Spoiler tag, because these will help out with the second part of the theory. Something to think about while I talk about the first thing.

 

 

 

 

—In KH3D, it seems not only in Fantasia, but in the Three Musketeers world as well Mickey appears in a form that hasn’t met Sora yet.

 

Nomura: Those worlds are set during a time Mickey was in the pursuit of knowledge, like “in a dream of the world of the past”.

 

—In Fantasia as well as other worlds, a golden eyed person wearing a black coat appears, who is he?

 

Nomura: He is the mysterious man who appeared in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix as a boss who manipulated time. Just who he is will be told in KH3D. Everywhere he goes, a few people of the darkness turn up, like how Vanitas came out in the trailer.

 

 

 

Onto the theory. Now I am just basing this theory on one concept that hasn't been showed to happen, Anything else is probably just going to be speculation. This is actually a theory that I had last year, but with the new trailer in play, I can revamp and expand on it once again.

 

We all know how a Nobody is created. When a person loses their heart to darkness (or in a case like Kairi, the heart simply leaves the body and into another body), the body and soul are left, and they create a Nobody. So let's take a look at Apprentice Xehanort, the amnesia version. AX has many things. He has Terra, MX, and Eraqus' heart. All in the body and soul of Terra. Now when AX lost his heart(s), essentially Ansem SoD (the Heartless) and Xemnas (the Nobody) was created in the process. The hearts of three were used to make Ansem HOWEVER only Terra's body and soul made Xemnas. So what about MX's body and soul? Well when MX said firetruck it and released his heart and sent it into Terra's body, he lost his body and soul. Do you see where I'm going with this?

 

So here's my concept to make the theory: If the body and soul of MX was kept somewhere, whether it may be the Realm of Light, Darkness, In-Between, Nothingness, whatever place it can go off to, and was safe there, until the time that AX lost the hearts, a Nobody could still be produced.

 

And that's it. If MX's body and soul was in a safe place until AX lost the hearts, his Nobody can be still made, because the hearts need to be fall to darkness first. But what about a Heartless? There had to be a Heartless, right? Well you can look at Space Cowboy's theory on that, but since that isn't my theory, and to make things simpler, the only Heartless that MX really needed was Ansem SoD. Ansem fills the Heartless for all three of them, because they all three fell to darkness TOGETHER, and because it this isn't something seperate like the body and soul, Ansem SoD could just be considered the Heartless for Terra, MX, and Eraqus. Technically, even Eraqus could have his own Nobody due to the concept, but I don't think its possible because his heart is dormant, and I fear that affects the process. The theory isn't applying to Eraqus so the idea of him having a Nobody is dismissed.

 

Really, Mysterious Figure, aka Young Xehanort, is in fact Master Xehanort's Nobody, if that concept was true.

 

But what about his age? He seems really young. Actually, how is he young? A Nobody's appearence takes upon the last form of the person before they lost their heart (except when the body continues to age normally). Well, for this, I don't truly know. The only thing logically that I could come up with is if Vanitas' heart is within him. Vanitas, as most of you SHOULD know, is still alive. Ventus cannot wake up due to the loss of the darkness of his heart, since Vanitas was the darkness made from him. Either repairing his heart or giving back his darkness will wake him up and help him from the suffering. Technically yes, the X-Blade was destroyed, but you only saw in Ventus' subconscious that version of Vanitas being destroyed, not the actual heart. Knowing that detail, his heart probably wandered off somewhere and managed to meet up with Young Xehanort. You can tell that Vanitas seems to be a part of him, as you'll see in the trailer, he only appears just a little bit, and there is a dark aura surrounding him. If he legitimentally came back, then he would of literally been there, not disappear the next second. But I think that's all I am going to discuss about Vanitas.

 

And one more detail that can pinpoint Young Xehanort's status as a Nobody.

 

 

 

You can easily observe their weapons are not exactly the same, but it's just putting two and two together, and seeing that the weapons are so identical. So what if Young Xehanort has handles for his weapons. They are basically the same. It doesn't take a genius to notice the similarities.

 

Now onto the second part of the theory. While this describes how Young Xehanort can be a Nobody, the next part is his abilities. As for his attacks shown in battle, a lot of people keep saying that he takes an attack only exclusive to Terra, Aqua, Ventus, and Vanitas. That may be true, but I don't think these attacks are actually exclusive. I doubt this is an important detail to distinguish who he really is. Rather, I can easily tell how he's getting his attacks. If the above theory is correct that Young Xehanort is the Nobody of MX, he is merely using attacks that he probably once had when he was young, something like Xigbar to Braig or even Roxas to Sora. That's just me.

 

But his main MAIN ability....the time manipulation that Nomura described in the interview. This is where I grab the the quotes now.

 

 

—In Fantasia as well as other worlds, a golden eyed person wearing a black coat appears, who is he?

 

Nomura: He is the mysterious man who appeared in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix as a boss who manipulated time. Just who he is will be told in KH3D. Everywhere he goes, a few people of the darkness turn up, like how Vanitas came out in the trailer.

 

A boss that manipulated time, and everywhere he goes, a few people of darkness turn up, like Vanitas....hmmmm.

 

There are some people that say that he time traveled and this is how the shitstorm happened. For one, Normua's not going there. Frankly, he made Final Fantasy XIII-2 a paradox, I doubt he would want that to happen to KH. Secondly, I don't think it's literal. He says that can manipulated time, NOT time travel. I don't even think his powers could even extend to that reach. I think his powers work very different than what we expect.

 

I'm going to put that on hold, as I want to get into another part of this.

 

I'm still seeing that people are saying that this game doesn't make sense because all these Xehanorts seem to be co-existing together at the same time. This is going to be confusing, but let me ask you something. In the Realm of Sleep, there are two Mickeys in there (which that would make sense that they would be co-existing, but apparently people are skipping out on this idea). One from The Three Musketeer, and another from Fantasia. You also have the real Mickey in the real world. So why is that? How can that be? Nomura did touch upon this in his interview.

 

 

—In KH3D, it seems not only in Fantasia, but in the Three Musketeers world as well Mickey appears in a form that hasn’t met Sora yet.

 

Nomura: Those worlds are set during a time Mickey was in the pursuit of knowledge, like “in a dream of the world of the past”.

 

Wait a second.

 

 

like “in a dream of the world of the past”.

 

 

as a boss who manipulated time.

 

Past, time...that's it. I think this explains an idea of what Young Xehanort's time ability.

 

There are two Mickeys in the two different worlds, because they're actually dreams, set in a specific time period. What isn't to say that there is an Ansem SoD and Xemnas in world that's a dream, set in whatever time period. You saw The World That Never Was. That's probably where Xemnas was residing. As for Ansem SoD? Well some of worlds are still uncomfirmed, but if Hollow Bastion pops up as a playable world, he probably would be located there.

 

I don't think that normally that the versions of Mickey could get out of the worlds they is in because that's how the timeline within the world goes accordingly. This would logically be the same for Ansem SoD and Xemnas. And maybe that's YX's powers. He's probably going to the worlds that are dreams, and he's pulling them both out of it. He's manipulating that set time period so that he could get them both of them under his reach to use them as pawns. That's why you see Ansem in Notre Dome, and Xemnas in Traverse Town. They normally wouldn't be there, but Young Xehanort took them out of their origianl dreams, so now they can function differently than what the dream's time period was acted upon them. Maybe that's the concept of time manipulation that Nomura was describing. It can't be literally time traveling or murdering the protagonist at birth to change the course of history, but taking a dream that was supposed to have a certain event from a time period that happened, and manipulating it as he pleased, taking Ansem and Xemnas out of the dream to help him destroy Sora and Riku, since they were powerful adversaries to them in their past adventures. Hell, he probably he found a dream where Master Xehanort resided and took him out of the dream.

 

It's a bit confusing from this sort of standpoint, but it makes sense. Not only would he take them out of the dream to help him beat Sora and Riku, but my guess is, he's going to pull them out of the Realm of Sleep COMPLETELY, causing what would be their "rebirth". That's his plan all along. Even if he couldn't stop Sora and Riku in the Realm of Sleep, having the original Xehanort, a Heartless, a Nobody, himself, and many forms (his forms or other people, since there was 12 Hooded people surrounding Sora) standing in the path of the heroes. All these forms came so close of obtaining Kingdom Hearts under their control, but together, they can get it so easily and go beyond Kingdom Hearts. Well, that's just rambling now lol.

 

It's like a comparison to Sora's job. Sora must bring back people that are "sleeping" into the real world and heal their suffering. Young Xehanort job is to bring back people that could say be "sleeping" into the real world to conquer the heores and take Kingdom Hearts once and for all.

 

And I think that's it. Took me quite a while to do this, and it's 4am, so I probably firetrucked up somewhere. Should I revise it? Yes. Am I going to do it? Probably not. Frankly, doing all this thinking literally gave me a headache, and freaking me out because this damn game isn't out yet.

 

 

Like this. I think I might be coming down with Nortenzia. Rush me to the nearest hospital to stitch my mind back after being blown up from sheer thinking.

 

So enjoy this long ass theory. Post whatever you think about it down below.

 

Do me a solid and DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST. It's too long and seeing lots of people quoting it, making this multiple pages of it, is very annoying. Just quote certain parts of the theory if you find any problems with it. Thanks

Quite a theory you have here Tom(Deathskull). Hope it comes true or it would be all for naught.

i think MX's Body and Soul was at the ROD because i think Aqua will fight him in BBS volume 2 i guess but that's my opinion.....

i think MX's Body and Soul was at the ROD because i think Aqua will fight him in BBS volume 2 i guess but that's my opinion.....

 

From what I can tell, Dream Drop Distance is probably going to be BBS Volume II, since it seems to touch upon the Organization members' past. And judging by the assumed Data Riku from the second-to-last trailer, something tells me that Data Riku himself will explain some plot holes left in the KH universe (he is the Journal after all, and he seems to recorded events that Jiminy himself never put in it).

 

I don't think another game is needed to explain anything, when all of it can be done in one. And I swear to god, if BBS Volume II were to come out, it would be on the PSP Vita, and I think I would done buying systems just for KH.

I support this theory.

 

I thought of something else though. Is Ansem SoD really the Heartless of Xehanort, Terra and Eraqus? I'm not sure if that's possible. I think he may be the Heartless of just Xehanort, just Terra or Xehanort and Terra, but probably not Eraqus. So could there still be a Heartless of Eraqus and of Terra/Xehanort out there (depending on whose Heartless Ansem SoD is)?

So here's my concept to make the theory: If the body and soul of MX was kept somewhere, whether it may be the Realm of Light, Darkness, In-Between, Nothingness, whatever place it can go off to, and was safe there, until the time that AX lost the hearts, a Nobody could still be produced.

I think this is the first part I disagree of this theory.

I aways imagined that a Nobody/Heartless would be created due to the heart being separated from the body, after Ansem's experiment went wrong. That heart would be surrounded by Darkness and a Nobody would be left from what used to be the body.

But since his body vanished before that separation happened, as we saw, a nobody created from his old body could not appear. Now this is where a theory of my own comes in. Supposing that whatever disappears from the RoD and the RoD goes to the RoS, then at that moment MX's body appeared in the RoS. So that would explain why he's in there.

The Nobody made from AX's Hearts/Body was Xemnas. I think we have enough evidence on that.

Besides, we can tell that the hairstyle from AX and YX is not the same. YX shares the same hairstyle as Xehanort before he left the islands.

But what about a Heartless? There had to be a Heartless, right? [...]the only Heartless that MX really needed was Ansem SoD. Ansem fills the Heartless for all three of them, because they all three fell to darkness TOGETHER, and because it this isn't something seperate like the body and soul, Ansem SoD could just be considered the Heartless for Terra, MX, and Eraqus. Technically, even Eraqus could have his own Nobody due to the concept, but I don't think its possible because his heart is dormant, and I fear that affects the process. The theory isn't applying to Eraqus so the idea of him having a Nobody is dismissed.

I'm not sure about this part of your theory. It does make sense but something feels a bit wrong. But I guess it's plausible.

However, wouldn't the hearts be split once released? Per example, when Sora released his heart and Kairi's, along with the princesses, they weren't released as ONE heart. So wouldn't several Heartless be created?

That would allow a heartless, that once defeated, the heart would go back to the body. One of those could be Terra's, which wold go back to Xemnas allowing him to have a Heart again and remember some things. That would, of course, mean that several Nobodies gained a Heart before even being complete and messes up some logic so I'm probably wrong.

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But what about his age? He seems really young. Actually, how is he young? A Nobody's appearence takes upon the last form of the person before they lost their heart (except when the body continues to age normally). Well, for this, I don't truly know.

 

But Apprentice Xehanort and Young Xehanort have different appearances. Just look at them and compare. I think you can figure it out.

The rest I don't see any major flaws so yeah.

I think I might agree with your idea on how YMX came to be, well, its more like I feel like were wandering in the right direction. I also think it should be kept in mind that 'Master Xehanorts Nobody' was meant to be used in a game other than kh3d which could have been either BBSV2 or KH3. Concerning the time manipulating aspect, I had another theory identical in concept, but I went more into detail with it. Seeing another person come to the same conclusion makes me buy into the idea even more.

 

From what I can tell, Dream Drop Distance is probably going to be BBS Volume II, since it seems to touch upon the Organization members' past. And judging by the assumed Data Riku from the second-to-last trailer, something tells me that Data Riku himself will explain some plot holes left in the KH universe (he is the Journal after all, and he seems to recorded events that Jiminy himself never put in it).

 

I don't think another game is needed to explain anything, when all of it can be done in one. And I swear to god, if BBS Volume II were to come out, it would be on the PSP Vita, and I think I would done buying systems just for KH.

 

(excuse me for a minute)

Let me just say that I can guarantee that BBSV2 will be a game. It originally had plans to have been released by now, but with the inclusion of KH3D I'd guess it has been postponed. Why postponed? Why not cancelled? Well, a good ways into the confirmation of kh3d, they released bbsfm hinting at the mystery game so we know kh3d itself didn't take it out. On less abstract note Versus doesn't even have a released date yet so unless they plan on releasing kh3d final mix and another remake we'll be left with a year without a game. Also BBSV2, if the series continues to follow the 'main-side-main-side... etc' pattern, will be a side game, and if it is a side game, the last thing it is going to be is the first of the series to go HD on a device that is not selling well. /rant

 

Those are my thoughts on it at least.

I think this is the first part I disagree of this theory.

I aways imagined that a Nobody/Heartless would be created due to the heart being separated from the body, after Ansem's experiment went wrong. That heart would be surrounded by Darkness and a Nobody would be left from what used to be the body.

But since his body vanished before that separation happened, as we saw, a nobody created from his old body could not appear. Now this is where a theory of my own comes in. Supposing that whatever disappears from the RoD and the RoD goes to the RoS, then at that moment MX's body appeared in the RoS. So that would explain why he's in there.

The Nobody made from AX's Hearts/Body was Xemnas. I think we have enough evidence on that.

Besides, we can tell that the hairstyle from AX and YX is not the same. YX shares the same hairstyle as Xehanort before he left the islands.

 

Yes that's how a Heartless and Nobody are made. But in a case like MX, who had lost his body and soul, I basing one small concept to prove that YX may indeed be the Nobody of MX. Also, if the body and soul was in the Realm of Sleep, then that just helps my theory even more LOL.

 

Also, that's not my theory. AX =/= YX. It's MX = YX. With body and soul again.

 

I'm not sure about this part of your theory. It does make sense but something feels a bit wrong. But I guess it's plausible.

However, wouldn't the hearts be split once released? Per example, when Sora released his heart and Kairi's, along with the princesses, they weren't released as ONE heart. So wouldn't several Heartless be created?

That would allow a heartless, that once defeated, the heart would go back to the body. One of those could be Terra's, which wold go back to Xemnas allowing him to have a Heart again and remember some things. That would, of course, mean that several Nobodies gained a Heart before even being complete and messes up some logic so I'm probably wrong.

 

Well for one, the Princesses Heart's, minus Kairi's, made the Keyblade of Hearts, that dark, Heart stealing, fake Keyblade. They weren't in Sora. Second, Kairi's heart is made out of pure light, as well as the Princesses of Hearts, so they wouldn't be able to produce a Heartless.

 

But as for AX, here's how the heart formation goes: {MX's Heart [Terra's Heart (Eraqus' Heart)]}. As you can see, Eraqus' heart is within Terra's, because he is dormant, and possibly needs healing. But when MX's heart went inside Terra's body, he took control and engulfed the hearts. Of course Terra's heart fought back. But because MX's heart took both of them into his, by the time AX released the hearts, it was at one heart. Then the hearts were engulfed by darkness as one heartless: Ansem SoD. Technically, Heartless DO have hearts, the reasoning behind their name is because lack emotions, only having instinct for stealing hearts. That's while it's assumed that the three hearts, along with Ansem SoD, were still inside Riku. But when the Kingdom Hearts Encoder exploded, Ansem was completely wiped out. And because Nomura hinted that a bit of Terra was left in Riku, it's also assumed that the blast forced MX's heart out of the body, and Terra and Eraqus' clinging to Riku's, since both were light at core, while MX's was obviously darkness.

 

So yeah, phew, that's why they didn't seperate until afterwards.

 

But Apprentice Xehanort and Young Xehanort have different appearances. Just look at them and compare. I think you can figure it out.

The rest I don't see any major flaws so yeah.

 

Again, AX =/= YX, but MX = YX. That's was the first part of my theory lol.

 

But if YX would be MX's theory, then he would had MX's old body. They take a form that last appeared as, unless the body continued aging afterwards, someone like Zexion, who was still a child when he lost his heart. That's why I assume that Vanitas might of helped make YX look younger, unless it's some other cause that still needs to be explained.

 

But yeah, thanks for the input.

 

 

(excuse me for a minute)

Let me just say that I can guarantee that BBSV2 will be a game. It originally had plans to have been released by now, but with the inclusion of KH3D I'd guess it has been postponed. Why postponed? Why not cancelled? Well, a good ways into the confirmation of kh3d, they released bbsfm hinting at the mystery game so we know kh3d itself didn't take it out. On less abstract note Versus doesn't even have a released date yet so unless they plan on releasing kh3d final mix and another remake we'll be left with a year without a game. Also BBSV2, if the series continues to follow the 'main-side-main-side... etc' pattern, will be a side game, and if it is a side game, the last thing it is going to be is the first of the series to go HD on a device that is not selling well. /rant

 

Those are my thoughts on it at least.

 

Ok...so why hasn't Nomura discussed the production or development of BBS Volume II? As a matter of fact, why has it never been brought up? If a secret ending for one of the games came out, people would be on that like coccaine. But it was never mentioned. It was just, "Hey I have a Secret Ending for you all. Enjoy," And that was it. Nothing else.

 

You can't guarantee it, because there was LITERALLY no plans for the game. You can go back and check all of the Nomura Interviews, and find that not one detail was made for it. DDD never postponed it. Why would it postponed it? Seriously, Nomura was making 3 KH games at once, which was Birth by Sleep, 358/2 Days and Coded. All three. You know? And then Recoded came along, shortly after Birth by Sleep, both English and Final Mix, so that means that 2-3 KH games were being made in the process.

 

I'm pretty sure the Secret Trailer was just a major tease for us, because otherwise, we would hear Birth by Sleep Volume II along with DDD.

 

And that's most likely going to happen. A Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance Final Mix. They did it with Birth by Sleep, I'm sure they can do it with this game. If they want, they can release some of the games in HD Remake/Remastered. I doubt it, since Nomura is also a tease, but that's possible too.

Vanitas was the only one who was shown to manipulate time durring battle but its not like he learned it on his own. I know in these games you learn new powers and abilities as you go further into the game. But Aqua, Ven, Terra, and Vanitas all had keyblade masters who taught them for years and probably taught them abilities based on their personalities Sora and Riku didnt have that luxury.