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*SPOILERS* So uh...logically?

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Ok, so time travel discussion. So taking what everyone has said and what the cutscenes have shown, we can conclude this:

 

How to Time Travel:

- In order to time travel, you must rid of your "flesh" (which I assume is the physical form), basically not exist, except for being a heart.

- You may only go in one direction. So if you want to time travel, you must figure out if you're going back into the past or to the future, not both.

-You cannot bring anyone or anything with you when you time travel

 

Ok, Nomura put some thought into it when he placed time travel into it.

 

Now the only people who could time travel were Ansem SoD and Young Master Xehanort. Ansem time traveled backwards, losing his form, and only being able to mantain a slight physical form inside of a brown coat. He there taught the Xehanort, who was still on the island, how to time travel. And with that, this Xehanort was able to time travel into the future (goal was to grab the Xehanorts before they died, if I am correct?), and he would become Young Master Xehanort seen in 3D.

 

What I don't get is that Ansem time traveled back and lost his "flesh". Young Master Xehanort time traveled forwards...but has he lost his "flesh"? The rules state that either you travel forwards or backwards in time, you'll have to lose your form.

 

YMX seems to look similar to his past form, but not quite. If he had to travel as his heart...then that means somebody was used a vessel to contain this Xehanort.

 

Explainations? Thoughts? Answers? am i doin dis rite guys?

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Just saying time travel is an iffy subject. When you explain something there will always be more questions that budd out of it.

Like right now.

How did YMX travel to the future but keeping his body/flesh?

When MX, finally formed why was he returned to his own time?

If YMX managed to preserve his body somewhere, like how Ven's body is in CO and hasn't aged, where did he hide it?

Do bodies left without hearts stay the same age?

If YMX didn't preserve his body, how is he projecting his image and able to wield a keyblade when he is just supposed to be a heart?

Time Traveling can't change what's already written in history, so what's the purpose of time traveling?

How does one initiate time traveling after abandoning their flesh?

Is there a way to gain new flesh after time traveling?

Does the same rules apply when time traveling through a dream?

Are there any more rules to time traveling?

 

That's why I made a post about what I think.

 

How did YMX travel to the future but keeping his body/flesh?

We have no idea whether YMX actually keeps his body . . . at the end of KH3D every Xehanort just disappears, not using a Dark Corridor, not leaving a body behind. This was what led me to believe that no Xehanort (apart from MX/AX possibly) is actually using a real body in the present time.

When MX, finally formed why was he returned to his own time?

No idea, but I'll speculate that AX is the form that is in the present, not MX.

If YMX managed to preserve his body somewhere, like how Ven's body is in CO and hasn't aged, where did he hide it?

If YMX grows into MX then his body would never be left uninhabited. If YMX is using a body it could be a preserved Vanitas as Tom said.

Do bodies left without hearts stay the same age?

It looks like it.

If YMX didn't preserve his body, how is he projecting his image and able to wield a keyblade when he is just supposed to be a heart?

Magic . . . ASoD isn't using his body . . . or is he? Has Riku ever regained his body? He was used as a vessel, his heart was sent to KH/Realm of Darkness, ASoD was defeated then Riku closed the door and by this time Riku had already met Mickey. . . . hmm? The only thing that will clear this up is if time travellers can take people and their bodies out of their timestream. But then why do people have to get rid of their bodies to start with?

Time Traveling can't change what's already written in history, so what's the purpose of time traveling?

To change something that hasn't been decided yet. When ASoD time travelled the Org and 7 princesses had already occured so these things could not be changed but anything past this could. However, Xemnas' defeat was written in stone. Just because another Nort needs to exist in order for people to travel forward.

How does one initiate time traveling after abandoning their flesh?

Keyblade.

Is there a way to gain new flesh after time traveling?

Possession (like what ASoD did to Riku) or cloning. Maybe Xemnas had a clone made that he can possess in the future. Same with YMX and ASoD. YMX may have gone to the original Org XIII time and made clones for everyone he was bringing foward?

Does the same rules apply when time traveling through a dream?

It would be something to do with memories I'm guessing.

Are there any more rules to time traveling?

Lots.

How did YMX travel to the future but keeping his body/flesh?

We have no idea whether YMX actually keeps his body . . . at the end of KH3D every Xehanort just disappears, not using a Dark Corridor, not leaving a body behind. This was what led me to believe that no Xehanort (apart from MX/AX possibly) is actually using a real body in the present time.

When MX, finally formed why was he returned to his own time?

No idea, but I'll speculate that AX is the form that is in the present, not MX.

If YMX managed to preserve his body somewhere, like how Ven's body is in CO and hasn't aged, where did he hide it?

If YMX grows into MX then his body would never be left uninhabited. If YMX is using a body it could be a preserved Vanitas as Tom said.

Do bodies left without hearts stay the same age?

It looks like it.

If YMX didn't preserve his body, how is he projecting his image and able to wield a keyblade when he is just supposed to be a heart?

Magic . . . ASoD isn't using his body . . . or is he? Has Riku ever regained his body? He was used as a vessel, his heart was sent to KH/Realm of Darkness, ASoD was defeated then Riku closed the door and by this time Riku had already met Mickey. . . . hmm? The only thing that will clear this up is if time travellers can take people and their bodies out of their timestream. But then why do people have to get rid of their bodies to start with?

Time Traveling can't change what's already written in history, so what's the purpose of time traveling?

To change something that hasn't been decided yet. When ASoD time travelled the Org and 7 princesses had already occured so these things could not be changed but anything past this could. However, Xemnas' defeat was written in stone. Just because another Nort needs to exist in order for people to travel forward.

How does one initiate time traveling after abandoning their flesh?

Keyblade.

Is there a way to gain new flesh after time traveling?

Possession (like what ASoD did to Riku) or cloning. Maybe Xemnas had a clone made that he can possess in the future. Same with YMX and ASoD. YMX may have gone to the original Org XIII time and made clones for everyone he was bringing foward?

Does the same rules apply when time traveling through a dream?

It would be something to do with memories I'm guessing.

Are there any more rules to time traveling?

Lots.

 

Thanks for the answers lol.

Thanks for the answers lol.

 

^"answers". (Always needs the speech marks.) ;p

Remembered about the Replica Project... Could Xemnas had started it to do something with stuff like vessels?

Oh, Nomura, all this thinking, speculating and theorys that appears after a new KH game is released, that's why i love you.No gay stuff.

No gay stuff.

 

:(
  • 4 weeks later...

Hmm.... There is a lot to think about. My interpretation of the sequence of SoD's time travel is that shortly after being created (when AX splits into Heartless and Nobody) THEN SoD went back (b/c thinking about it, after taking Riku's body as a vessel, he turned it into his own body, but.....if he had been created as the brown cloaked figure, then this later form makes little to no sense) and the form SoD took after casting off his "form" (I still don't understand, either Heartless can just time travel, or as a Heartless, SoD had to become an even more simplistic existence before he could time travel) IS the brown cloaked figure, and to keep the timeline going, he REMAINS in this form (I have no clue as to what he could have been up to) and this SoD who has already gone back and discussed things with YMX is the one who takes over Riku and is beaten in KH1. One thing to add is that the possibility of a stable time loop works fairly well, considering Ansem is not YMX, MX, or even AX, he's the Heartless of AX, making him separate enough from YMX that paradox doesn't occur w/ their contact. (I have no explanation, so I won't go further into it, but while Ansem's role is STARTING to become understandable, but by YMX not being in the past to grow up with Eraqus and Master _____, ditch the Keyblade Armor, etc, how is MX possible? Only thought is since he's time traveling forward, if everything's a "stable time loop", then when YMX would reset to his own time, it doesn't matter since he WOULD grow up to be MX in the past, and when he would eventually rewind back, it would still be that same time no matter what point in the future he did it) But the one point I very much agree with that has been said is the significance of the Replica Program, it easily could be meant for creating cheap and effective vessels for the Xeha-carnations (thus a means for them to stay in the present) also, can't say for sure, but it's possible that since the Riku Replica was created during Riku's continuation through CO, so the Replica may have contained a replica of the remains of Ansem SoD, giving him other means of returning....

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