Now we all know YX can manipulate time, but why can't MX as well? He and YX are the same person, so I'm kind of confused as to why he can't also manipulate time. Now time travel and time manipulation are two different things, so I wouldn't say him not casting off his flesh is a valid answer.

 

Anyway does anyone know?

I probably won't understand the concept behind YMX's time travel until the localized versions get released...

 

Any form of fiction + Time Travel = CONFUSIOOOOOON

Edited April 13, 201213 yr by Truthbringer

I probably won't understand the concept behind YMX's time travel until the localized versions get released...

 

Any form of fiction + Time Travel = CONFUSIOOOOOON

 

Well YX explained to Riku that time travel can only occur by abiding by 3 rules.

 

1. One must cast off their flesh and become only a heart.

 

2. You can only travel in one direction meaning if you're going to the past then that's the only place you can go and vice versa.

 

3. You cannont change anything that disrupts the flow of time.

 

Of course this only applies to TIME TRAVEL, not time manipulation, which as I said in the OP are two different things.

Edited April 13, 201213 yr by Master Xehanort1690

YX is from an alternate timeline MX never gained the ability in his time line

YX is from an alternate timeline MX never gained the ability in his time line

 

YX is simply MX from the past, not from an alternate time line. That's already been explained in the game. That would also break the 3rd rule since that would change the past.

everybody would be possible to travel through the time

YMX only had utilized it in some way to manipulate some parts of the timeline, I ain't sure how he could accomplish this for now though

the time traveling is kinda easy to understand because one needs to cast away their flash (why Ansem SoD needed Riku), it is only possible to travel in one direction and the happenings of that time can't be altered by you.

as far i know it hasn't bene explained yet how YMX could manipulate the timelines since he managed to get a lot of versions of himself at one place while.

that probably will be a part we shall start to understand in the future when the english releases start..

YX is simply MX from the past, not from an alternate time line. That's already been explained in the game. That would also break the 3rd rule since that would change the past.

 

This is a reason why I'm not sure time travel should have been introduced in KH, ha ha. If he was from his own timeline, then MX shouldnt exist, I do think he is from an alternative timeline, I have read somewhere that suggests just that. Also if he was just from the past, it wouldnt make sense, as MX wouldnt exist.

Also, isnt he already breaking the 3rd rule anyway? Even if he did nothing, simply going back in time should disrupt the flow of time, but seeing hes actually bringing other xehanorts/xehanort types from the past?/alternate time line?, then thats definately disrupting the flow of time.

I think we really need the localisation to come out to understand this whole thing, ha ha.

But this paradox thing is very hard to explain and even more understandably justify, so maybe SE will come up with a way to make it make sense somehow, ha ha.

This is a thing that has me confused though, so it'll be great to see what people say and have come to understand about it.

 

EDIT: That reminds me... I read another rule somewhere, unless it was just mistranslated or something, but wasnt another rule that you had to be there in that time?, perhaps even time and place?

Edited April 13, 201213 yr by LAA

YX is simply MX from the past, not from an alternate time line. That's already been explained in the game. That would also break the 3rd rule since that would change the past.

 

Time works in tangents once an original set of events happens it it considered a main timline if you go back in time before those events happen you enter a parralel tangent as those events have yet to occur. YX traveling forward in time was not part of the original timeline and therefore would be breaking the third rule so it would be a safe assumption to say YX is from a tangent timeline before the events of the original timeline were set in motion therfore fuffilling alll three conditions of time travel.

This is a reason why I'm not sure time travel should have been introduced in KH, ha ha. If he was from his own timeline, then MX shouldnt exist, I do think he is from an alternative timeline, I have read somewhere that suggests just that. Also if he was just from the past, it wouldnt make sense, as MX wouldnt exist.

Also, isnt he already breaking the 3rd rule anyway? Even if he did nothing, simply going back in time should disrupt the flow of time, but seeing hes actually bringing other xehanorts/xehanort types from the past?/alternate time line?, then thats definately disrupting the flow of time.

I think we really need the localisation to come out to understand this whole thing, ha ha.

But this paradox thing is very hard to explain and even more understandably justify, so maybe SE will come up with a way to make it make sense somehow, ha ha.

This is a thing that has me confused though, so it'll be great to see what people say and have come to understand about it.

 

EDIT: That reminds me... I read another rule somewhere, unless it was just mistranslated or something, but wasnt another rule that you had to be there in that time?, perhaps even time and place?

 

There were only 3 rules that time travel had to abide by. I explained them in a couple posts above. Also it shouldn't change time since they all have to return to their own time in the exact place and time and they don't remember anything. YX explains this when talking to Sora in TWTNW after Sora beats Xemnas.

 

Time works in tangents once an original set of events happens it it considered a main timline if you go back in time before those events happen you enter a parralel tangent as those events have yet to occur. YX traveling forward in time was not part of the original timeline and therefore would be breaking the third rule so it would be a safe assumption to say YX is from a tangent timeline before the events of the original timeline were set in motion therfore fuffilling alll three conditions of time travel.

 

My head hurts. I'm simply starting to believe it's a paradox and it was always meant to turn out this way. I mean YX and Braig even said that when talking to Sora in TWTNW.

Edited April 13, 201213 yr by Master Xehanort1690

This is a reason why I'm not sure time travel should have been introduced in KH, ha ha. If he was from his own timeline, then MX shouldnt exist, I do think he is from an alternative timeline, I have read somewhere that suggests just that. Also if he was just from the past, it wouldnt make sense, as MX wouldnt exist.

Also, isnt he already breaking the 3rd rule anyway? Even if he did nothing, simply going back in time should disrupt the flow of time, but seeing hes actually bringing other xehanorts/xehanort types from the past?/alternate time line?, then thats definately disrupting the flow of time.

I think we really need the localisation to come out to understand this whole thing, ha ha.

But this paradox thing is very hard to explain and even more understandably justify, so maybe SE will come up with a way to make it make sense somehow, ha ha.

This is a thing that has me confused though, so it'll be great to see what people say and have come to understand about it.

 

EDIT: That reminds me... I read another rule somewhere, unless it was just mistranslated or something, but wasnt another rule that you had to be there in that time?, perhaps even time and place?

 

This is a reason why I'm not sure time travel should have been introduced in KH, ha ha. If he was from his own timeline, then MX shouldnt exist, I do think he is from an alternative timeline, I have read somewhere that suggests just that. Also if he was just from the past, it wouldnt make sense, as MX wouldnt exist.

Also, isnt he already breaking the 3rd rule anyway? Even if he did nothing, simply going back in time should disrupt the flow of time, but seeing hes actually bringing other xehanorts/xehanort types from the past?/alternate time line?, then thats definately disrupting the flow of time.

I think we really need the localisation to come out to understand this whole thing, ha ha.

But this paradox thing is very hard to explain and even more understandably justify, so maybe SE will come up with a way to make it make sense somehow, ha ha.

This is a thing that has me confused though, so it'll be great to see what people say and have come to understand about it.

 

EDIT: That reminds me... I read another rule somewhere, unless it was just mistranslated or something, but wasnt another rule that you had to be there in that time?, perhaps even time and place?

 

Time works in tangents once an original set of events happens it it considered a main timline if you go back in time before those events happen you enter a parralel tangent as those events have yet to occur. YX traveling forward in time was not part of the original timeline and therefore would be breaking the third rule so it would be a safe assumption to say YX is from a tangent timeline before the events of the original timeline were set in motion therfore fuffilling alll three conditions of time travel.

 

There were only 3 rules that time travel had to abide by. I explained them in a couple posts above. Also it shouldn't change time since they all have to return to their own time in the exact place and time and they don't remember anything. YX explains this when talking to Sora in TWTNW after Sora beats Xemnas.

 

 

 

My head hurts. I'm simply starting to believe it's a paradox and it was always meant to turn out this way. I mean YX and Braig even said that when talking to Sora in TWTNW.

 

he has to be from an alternate timeline because thats how he gathered the versions( trolller of darkness and M.A.N.S.E.X) of MX, then he came back to the real time line to the world that never was to see what we see in kh3d

he has to be from an alternate timeline because thats how he gathered the versions( trolller of darkness and M.A.N.S.E.X) of MX, then he came back to the real time line to the world that never was to see what we see in kh3d

 

Actually no. YX is a past version of MX and MX didn't lose his heart to darkness until he became AX meaning Xemnas and Ansem SoD didn't come to be until then. YX was way before any of that happened. YX could've simply traveled to the future and picked up Xemnas and Ansem SoD on his way there.

Edited April 13, 201213 yr by Master Xehanort1690

Actually no. YX is a past version of MX and MX didn't lose his heart to darkness until he became AX meaning Xemnas and Ansem SoD didn't come to be until then. YX was way before any of that happened. YX could've simply traveled to the future and picked up Xemnas and Ansem SoD on his way there.

 

that doesnt make any sense, so your saying that yx used his body or heart and travleed to the future and picked those poeple up? then how did MX come to be?

Maybe MX didnt wanna become just an heart.

Now I have a headache, too!

 

This makes the most sense out of all the others.

 

This makes the most sense out of all the others.

 

^Only because it has pictures. There is an equally valid explaination using the YX grows into MX theory but I don't have the time to have this discussion yet again.