Who do you think are the currently unknown members of the new Organization XIII?

 

Currently confirmed:

- Master Xehanort

- Young Xehanort

- Ansem, Seeker of Darkness/Xehanort's Heartless

- Xemnas/Xehanort's Nobody

- Xigbar

- Saix

 

Uncertain:

- The thirteenth member, originally meant to be Riku, was later changed to Sora. Master Xehanort attempted to give him a fragment of his heart, but Lea appeared at the last moment rescuing Sora. Now, considering how amazing hearts in the Kingdom Hearts universe are, being able to do all sort of stuff, travelling through space included, I personally doubt some flames could stop one. As of now, I would consider unconfirmed whatever Xehanort succeeded or not into making Sora his thirteenth vessel.

- Riku's replica, who does appear during the story, but isn't seen with his hood down at TWTNW.

 

Speculation:

- Terra, who is probably the other person Xehanort was referring to when he told the King "But Sora and another on your list belong to me now.". I think there's a possibility that an amnesiac Terra might be one of the thirteen.

- Vanitas, who should technically be inside Sora's heart along with Ventus. Xehanort might have given him a fragment of his heart not long after he was born, making him the first of his vessels.

yeah but thats what they want you to think. she could be undercover http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.png maybe she is already possed by xehanort ?

Before, the explanation for gold eyes and pointy ears was because of prolonged exposure to darkness, but that seems to have shifted to being part of Xehanort. So if the latter is true, that would mean Ansem the Wise is one of his vessels as well, right?

 

Ansem the wise doesn't have the same colour eyes. His eyes are a browny orange colour.

Honestly, they never said for sure whether they had tried or not, they only said they were meant to become the vessels, but were unsuited.

Honestly, they never said for sure whether they had tried or not, they only said they were meant to become the vessels, but were unsuited.

 

They did say attempted vessels so thats the same thing as failed vessels. Also, if you notice, Saix and Xigbar had the features of being Norted from the first time you saw them .Saix was also a traitor planning against Xemnas with Axel .Yet he still was a successful vessel. Xemnas had no idea who would end up successful and who wouldnt until he tried . He just knew that by default not all his attempts would succeed therefore he had to attempt it on all of them in order to see . Then ,figuring there would be failures ,he had the back up plan- time travel . He wouldnt need a back up plan for the failed vessels unless he was already implanting them and waiting the results..Thirteen members were supposed to be all part of this hence why he only needed 13 members. If he knew from the get go they werent viable he wouldve just collected more members for the organization . Yet he didnt bc he used the ones he had for his plan knowing some wouldnt succeed yet not knowing how many and who. Hence the back up plan.

They did say attempted vessels so thats the same thing as failed vessels. Also, if you notice, Saix and Xigbar had the features of being Norted from the first time you saw them .Saix was also a traitor planning against Xemnas with Axel .Yet he still was a successful vessel. Xemnas had no idea who would end up successful and who wouldnt until he tried . He just knew that by default not all his attempts would succeed therefore he had to attempt it on all of them in order to see . Then ,figuring there would be failures ,he had the back up plan- time travel . He wouldnt need a back up plan for the failed vessels unless he was already implanting them and waiting the results..Thirteen members were supposed to be all part of this hence why he only needed 13 members. If he knew from the get go they werent viable he wouldve just collected more members for the organization . Yet he didnt bc he used the ones he had for his plan knowing some wouldnt succeed yet not knowing how many and who. Hence the back up plan.

 

They never actually said attempted. They said they were meant to be the vessels.

"Organization XIII's true goal was to divide Xehanort's heart among 13 vessels. Thanks to you and Sora, we learned not all of our candidates were fit for the task."

Xehanort says exactly that, meaning the attempt was not necessarily made, just that they were too weak and were brought down. Never did it say that the attempt was made.

They never actually said attempted. They said they were meant to be the vessels.

"Organization XIII's true goal was to divide Xehanort's heart among 13 vessels. Thanks to you and Sora, we learned not all of our candidates were fit for the task."

Xehanort says exactly that, meaning the attempt was not necessarily made, just that they were too weak and were brought down. Never did it say that the attempt was made.

 

That doesnt mean that they werent attempted . Saix and Xigbar both were defeated as well by them and they were successful vessels.Xehanort had to implant them in the first place to know whether or not they were failures vessels. Saix himself was a traitor .yet still was a success. All of them were candidates from the very beginning and the only way to find out who wouldnt succeed was to try .. He had no way of knowing otherwise. He couldnt even time travel to the future to see bc in order to do that he had to have already lived in that time and that time hadnt come yet . Both Zexion and Vexen were also never traitors and yet they werent successful vessels . Xaldin fits in this category as well. Yet they were all fit candidates in order to be chosen for the Organization. It was Xemnas' job to make 13 vessels altogether hence why they didnt just go find other members when the other werent deemed viable,, Why else do u think you see both Saix and Xigbar from the first time you saw them with 'Norted " features in KH2? and in Days before all that went down?

Edited July 25, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

That doesnt mean that they werent attempted . Saix and Xigbar both were defeated as well by them and they were successful vessels.Xehanort had to implant them in the first place to know whether or not they were failures vessels. Saix himself was a traitor .yet still was a success. All of them were candidates from the very beginning and the only way to find out who wouldnt succeed was to try .. He had no way of knowing otherwise. He couldnt even time travel to the future to see bc in order to do that he had to have already lived in that time and that time hadnt come yet . Both Zexion and Vexen were also never traitors and yet they werent successful vessels . Xaldin fits in this category as well. Yet they were all fit candidates in order to be chosen for the Organization. It was Xemnas' job to make 13 vessels altogether hence why they didnt just go find other members when the other werent deemed viable

 

I never said for sure that they hadn't tried. What I'm saying is that THEY never said so for sure. They only stated that the Organization was meant to be the vessels, and they were deemed failures because they had been defeated by Sora and Riku, hence making them unworthy. They weren't unsuccesful mearly because they hadn't taken to Xehanort's heart. Never at all in the game at any point do any of the characters state for sure that the process had been attempted on any of the members (other than Saix and Xigbar, obviously), only that they were meant to have been subjected to it. And so I'm just saying that while it is a possibility that they had been subjected to the process, that was not stated for sure as the reason they were deemed failures, mearly that they were deemed unworthy for having been weak enough to be defeated by Sora and Riku. While I do see where you are going, I'm just saying that it was not said for sure that they had done it.

I never said for sure that they hadn't tried. What I'm saying is that THEY never said so for sure. They only stated that the Organization was meant to be the vessels, and they were deemed failures because they had been defeated by Sora and Riku, hence making them unworthy. They weren't unsuccesful mearly because they hadn't taken to Xehanort's heart. Never at all in the game at any point do any of the characters state for sure that the process had been attempted on any of the members (other than Saix and Xigbar, obviously), only that they were meant to have been subjected to it. And so I'm just saying that while it is a possibility that they had been subjected to the process, that was not stated for sure as the reason they were deemed failures, mearly that they were deemed unworthy for having been weak enough to be defeated by Sora and Riku. While I do see where you are going, I'm just saying that it was not said for sure that they had done it.

 

 

Ok well then we can come to a mutual agreement . The signs seem to support that they were such as the fact that some already showed "features" from the very start . But i see what you are saying too..But also remember Saix and Xigbar were deemed successful and they were both defeated too so that doesnt neccessarily mean thats why other werent successful vessels

Edited July 25, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

Ok well then we can come to a mutual agreement . The signs seem to support that they were such as the fact that some already showed "features" from the very start . But i see what you are saying too

 

Yay mutual agreement! I don't want to fight anymoooore! D:

Yay mutual agreement! I don't want to fight anymoooore! D:

 

The other day I had went through the cutscene before Riku fights YMX and had made a short list of who sat where:

 

Person - Original owner

Master Xehanort - Xemnas

Xemnas - Xigbar

Ansem SoD - Xaldin

Xigbar - Vexen

? - Lexaeus

? - Zexion

Saix - Saix

? - Axel

? - Demyx

? - Luxord

? - Marluxia

YMX - Larxene

Sora - Roxas

 

I really don't know if that really means anything, but...

 

When Mickey and Xehanort are discussing the seven Lights and thirteen Darkness, they said (according to whoever made the translations from Cyberman's videos):

 

Mickey: "The Seven Guardians of Light... the Keyblade Wielders are... Me (Mickey), Riku, Sora, (TAV)... And the other is (?)..."

Xehanort: "But, Sora and the other Keyblade Wielder are on our side...

Which means that you lack three of lights.

But do not worry. The Guardians of Light will be chosen."

 

Had to add in the part about the Lights to have it make more sense.

 

I don't really know how to really contribute to the discussion at the moment, but maybe someone else can.

I'm tired and don't really feel like thinking.

When Mickey and Xehanort are discussing the seven Lights and thirteen Darkness, they said (according to whoever made the translations from Cyberman's videos):

 

Mickey: "The Seven Guardians of Light... the Keyblade Wielders are... Me (Mickey), Riku, Sora, (TAV)... And the other is (?)..."

Xehanort: "But, Sora and the other Keyblade Wielder are on our side...

Which means that you lack three of lights.

But do not worry. The Guardians of Light will be chosen."

 

Had to add in the part about the Lights to have it make more sense.

 

I don't really know how to really contribute to the discussion at the moment, but maybe someone else can.

I'm tired and don't really feel like thinking.

 

The official translation from my copy is

 

Mickey: "Seven guardians of light? Well for Keyblade wielders, there's me Riku and Sora. And my three missing friends, that's six. Then the seventh would be... That means... the thirteen seekers of darkness...

MX: "Yes, little king. Perceptive. But Sora and another on your list belong to me now. And that puts you three guardians short. But worry not. All the pieces are destined to appear. Your seven lights just like my thirteen darknesses, whose final clash will beget the prize I seek-"

MX and Micky "The X-blade!"

 

 

Whatever Xehanort succeeded with Sora or not in DDD, I really hope Sora does become a seeker of darkness in KH3, even just for a short time. I just love it when main characters become evil for one reason or another.

Whatever Xehanort succeeded with Sora or not in DDD, I really hope Sora does become a seeker of darkness in KH3, even just for a short time. I just love it when main characters become evil for one reason or another.

 

I hope we get "Seekers Of Light" (a rogue group of Eraqus-like anti-heroes/anti-villains), as foils to both the Seekers Of Darkness and the Guardians Of Light.

Edited August 1, 201213 yr by Alan Smithee

The original organization were all ATTEMPTED vessels therefore it didnt work .Organization 13= 13 vessels ..He said he figured some PROBABLY wouldnt end up vessels bc of various reasons but he had no way of knowing who at that point till he did it thus his back up plan = time traveling to pick up past versions of himself.

 

Axel did have a heart... As did Naminé, Roxas, Xemnas and Xigbar. Xemnas told Sora in DDD that Nobodies can cultivate new hearts

 

 

Axel did have a heart... As did Naminé, Roxas, Xemnas and Xigbar. Xemnas told Sora in DDD that Nobodies can cultivate new hearts

 

She already knows that her point was the Xehanort knew that all his attempted vessels might not work so he had time travel as a fail-safe.

Axel did have a heart... As did Naminé, Roxas, Xemnas and Xigbar. Xemnas told Sora in DDD that Nobodies can cultivate new hearts

 

 

I was talking about the fact he was a NOBODY and the fact that even back then he wasnt ' a worthy vessel ". And i know he was GROWING a new heart . Where did i say he wasnt doing this ? Were you reading my point AT ALL when i was writing that ? Just sayin'.

 

She already knows that her point was the Xehanort knew that all his attempted vessels might not work so he had time travel as a fail-safe.

 

 

This . Thank you

it is also possible that Lea accidently got MXs piece of heart inside his own. I hope im wrong though

 

That's what I was thinking...

 

Before, the explanation for gold eyes and pointy ears was because of prolonged exposure to darkness, but that seems to have shifted to being part of Xehanort. So if the latter is true, that would mean Ansem the Wise is one of his vessels as well, right?

 

Ansem the Wise had that coat on for a reason in BBS.

 

That's what I was thinking...

 

Even if it did if the nort heart didn't take when he was a nobody with no heart why would work when he is a somebody with a heart.

So basically the 7 lights are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Aqua, Terra ventus and kairi it's true because Mickey did say so himself in the talk with master xehanort that the 7 lights are himself sora and riku his 3 lost friends (aqua terra and ventus) then the other one he didn't say because it's kairi ( he didn't say it because it's shown to us that kairi is the other light in the secret message when Mickey tells yen Sid and that's why riku brought kairi to the mysterious tower to talk the test) OMG I can't wait for kh 3. And did anyone see at the end credits the message with all of the letters said "this leads to kingdom hearts" but it didn't say kingdom hearts 3 so we might get another game before kh 3 like kh bbs volume 2 I sort of want there to be a kh bbs volume 2 but I don't think we need it since everything was answered in kh Dodd and everyone knows the truth and the hearts tied to sora now I guess I just can't wait. How long to think we will have to wait to hear about kh 3 announcement.

So basically the 7 lights are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Aqua, Terra ventus and kairi it's true because Mickey did say so himself in the talk with master xehanort that the 7 lights are himself sora and riku his 3 lost friends (aqua terra and ventus) then the other one he didn't say because it's kairi ( he didn't say it because it's shown to us that kairi is the other light in the secret message when Mickey tells yen Sid and that's why riku brought kairi to the mysterious tower to talk the test) OMG I can't wait for kh 3. And did anyone see at the end credits the message with all of the letters said "this leads to kingdom hearts" but it didn't say kingdom hearts 3 so we might get another game before kh 3 like kh bbs volume 2 I sort of want there to be a kh bbs volume 2 but I don't think we need it since everything was answered in kh Dodd and everyone knows the truth and the hearts tied to sora now I guess I just can't wait. How long to think we will have to wait to hear about kh 3 announcement.

 

Yes the 7 lights are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ventus, Aqua and Kairi, Kairi is revealed to be the 7th in the secret movie which is called Another Guardian of Light

 

Also Nomura has already said there is going to be NO bbs vol 2, he said the story was there but he was cutting it off so there is no bbs vol 2.

 

You obviously didnt pay attention to the secret message cause when it says This Leads to Kingdom Hearts you get a scene of Sora and Riku walking into a light and it forms a roman numeral 3

 

It also says

 

the past shall be reawakened (sora saves terra, ven and aqua and the keyblade war starts) in never before seen detail (its in HD) prepare yourself for the awakening of the next number (prepare for the announcment of Kingdom Hearts 3)

 

As for members of the 13 darkness i dont have a clue for many Vanitas is a maybe and ever since I saw Riku's Darkside in Monstro I automatically thought he's one of them and as far as Terra being one no i dont think so in Blank Points Terra told MX he was going to be shown the door and that Eraqus's heart had joined with Terra to help him, its not going to be impossible for Sora and the others to save him.

Yes the 7 lights are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ventus, Aqua and Kairi, Kairi is revealed to be the 7th in the secret movie which is called Another Guardian of Light

 

Also Nomura has already said there is going to be NO bbs vol 2, he said the story was there but he was cutting it off so there is no bbs vol 2.

 

You obviously didnt pay attention to the secret message cause when it says This Leads to Kingdom Hearts you get a scene of Sora and Riku walking into a light and it forms a roman numeral 3

 

It also says

 

the past shall be reawakened (sora saves terra, ven and aqua and the keyblade war starts) in never before seen detail (its in HD) prepare yourself for the awakening of the next number (prepare for the announcment of Kingdom Hearts 3)

 

As for members of the 13 darkness i dont have a clue for many Vanitas is a maybe and ever since I saw Riku's Darkside in Monstro I automatically thought he's one of them and as far as Terra being one no i dont think so in Blank Points Terra told MX he was going to be shown the door and that Eraqus's heart had joined with Terra to help him, its not going to be impossible for Sora and the others to save him.

 

Terra is currently possessed by Xehanort, so Lea will be taking his place as a Guardian of Light.

thats just your theory, just cause Lea has a keyblade doesn't mean he is a light

Yes the 7 lights are Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ventus, Aqua and Kairi, Kairi is revealed to be the 7th in the secret movie which is called Another Guardian of Light

 

Also Nomura has already said there is going to be NO bbs vol 2, he said the story was there but he was cutting it off so there is no bbs vol 2.

 

You obviously didnt pay attention to the secret message cause when it says This Leads to Kingdom Hearts you get a scene of Sora and Riku walking into a light and it forms a roman numeral 3

 

It also says

 

the past shall be reawakened (sora saves terra, ven and aqua and the keyblade war starts) in never before seen detail (its in HD) prepare yourself for the awakening of the next number (prepare for the announcment of Kingdom Hearts 3)

 

As for members of the 13 darkness i dont have a clue for many Vanitas is a maybe and ever since I saw Riku's Darkside in Monstro I automatically thought he's one of them and as far as Terra being one no i dont think so in Blank Points Terra told MX he was going to be shown the door and that Eraqus's heart had joined with Terra to help him, its not going to be impossible for Sora and the others to save him.

 

Some people here seem to think that Eraqus's Heart was simply unsuccessful in helping Terra.

 

I'm not one of said people, though.

 

thats just your theory, just cause Lea has a keyblade doesn't mean he is a light

 

Exactly, plus Lea does like to do the unexpected, after all.

He seriously never said they attempted it. Sora and Riku got rid of them before there was the chance. Remember how some of them were sent to Castle Oblivion because suspected of being disloyal? That was probably a test exactly to see if they were ultimately fit to become Xehanortlings.

 

I think this is true, but I'm not sure. I got the feeling that the failed organization members were never tested as vessels. They either betrayed the organization or were defeated before then.

 

If they had all been tested, then we need some serious explanation as to why Axel and Roxas didn't work.