So I am starting to think that Terra isn't one of the 13 darknesses. Mainly because I believe Master Xehanort knows that Ven's heart is inside Sora. It is pretty obvious the organization knows this be cause of these two quotes.

 

Young Xehanort

Hypocrite. You are the one who has made your heart a prison... Even if you are not the prisoner.

Xemnas

Your heart, memories, your data, and your dreams. The bits and bytes that have made up your life so far. Can you say for sure they are not just copies of someone else's

So with that in mind think of when Master Xehanort says this.

 

But Sora and another on your list belong to me now. And that puts you three Guardians short.

So if Master Xehanort knows where Ven's heart is and has Terra they would really be 4 guardians short. (At that time) Now I am not saying he is after Ven. Just that he knows Ven's there so they are lacking 3 guardians.

 

If he is refering to Terra after all I still don't think Terra is a part of the 13 darknesses. Rather that Terra is in Master Xehanort's heart.

 

Just something to think about. Let me know what you think.

Then NO that person isnt getting what you were saying then .. Read what he said .Also read what i said . MX said that two lights now BELONGED TO HIM ON HIS SIDE -- the darknesses.. All 12 of the rest were there making Sora the 13. He was saying his side = darknesses. So if he says those two are now belonging to his side they are darknesses ( sora an attempted one at that point ) ..READ WHAT PEOPLE ARE TYPING TO YOU . Explain to us also how TERRA could not be a darkness but be in MX's heart bc that makes no sense . AX/ MX NEVER found out Vens fate and its never been said that he did . So you cant say this as evidence as it never happened .

 

 

 

 

and this

 

I have been reading. I just read what he said 3 times over to make sure he gets what I mean and he does. Yes Master Xehanort did say they belong to him (The Darkness). But that doesn't exactly mean one of them is the 13. Just that Xehanort owns that bitch.

I dont think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses because hes either not there or in master xehanort. so by that i mean one of the other 11 cloacked dudes

I have been reading. I just read what he said 3 times over to make sure he gets what I mean and he does. Yes Master Xehanort did say they belong to him (The Darkness). But that doesn't exactly mean one of them is the 13. Just that Xehanort owns that bitch.

I dont think Terra is one of the 13 darknesses because hes either not there or in master xehanort. so by that i mean one of the other 11 cloacked dudes

 

But when hes saying they belong to him he IS saying they are darknesses .Thats what you arent getting . MX is a darkness and all the other cloaked figures were darknesses ...And If Terra is in MX hes a darkness since MX is a darkness..Also since we cant see/ know who the hooded members are you also cant say hes not there. And on top of everything else you are fabricating times when he couldve known Vens fate when its never been mentioned since except Xemnas couldnt find his body..Also since the revival rule states when a nobody and heartless are slain the original person is revived Terra needs to have been revived in his body which was CONFIRMED to have been ruled by MX bc MX had control of AX..Meaning his heart was able to consume Terras and take control thus his appearance as an old man in Terras body ..In other words , since the heart shapes the vessel, since MX won control of Terras body he will still look like MX but be inside Terras body.

But when hes saying they belong to him he IS saying they are darknesses .Thats what you arent getting . MX is a darkness and all the other cloaked figures were darknesses ...And If Terra is in MX hes a darkness since MX is a darkness..Also since we cant see/ know who the hooded members are you also cant say hes not there. And on top of everything else you are fabricating times when he couldve known Vens fate when its never been mentioned since except Xemnas couldnt find his body..Also since the revival rule states when a nobody and heartless are slain the original person is revived Terra needs to have been revived in his body which was CONFIRMED to have been ruled by MX bc MX had control of AX..Meaning his heart was able to consume Terras and take control thus his appearance as an old man in Terras body ..In other words , since the heart shapes the vessel, since MX won control of Terras body he will still look like MX but be inside Terras body.

 

I get it. It's same thing I think. for the most part. I just like to think of other things. Outside of the box.

I get it. It's same thing I think. for the most part. I just like to think of other things. Outside of the box.

 

Theres nothing wrong with that I just want you to understand that when MX and Mickey were talking they were refering to two sides - the lights and the darknesses therefore when MX says they are on his side he is saying they are darknesses..

Well, I think Terra is a Light, but, we'll just have to wait for confirmation in KH3.

I doubt this Sora was already the back up, for the back up why would MX pretend he was the thirteenth vessel that makes no sense he was already running low on options which is why he picked Sora. Also the reason why Master Xehanort was so calm when his friends came to help was because he was positive that Sora was going to be implanted. He made a point of showing this by saying that Sora was already on his side and that was even before he even attempted to implant him.

 

tutti frutti. MX mentioned himself that he had many roads to take when talking to Terra after he had been able to take over his body in the Secret Ending. I more so believe that should something go wrong in his plans, more so since YMX, at the very least, was well aware that Sora and Riku were taking the MoM exam in the realm of dreams. Plus, by MX wanting to take over Sora, it would keep Riku, Yen Sid and the rest on edge to help make sure that it doesn't happen. During that first attempt, something in the background could very well be going on since virtually the entire group, minus Yen Sid, went in the help Sora. Though MX could say that Sora is his target as the thirteenth member to his group, but that could very well be something to make Mickey and the others believe that Sora is the target, which he could not be. Villains will use deception, misleading and lies, among other things, to reach their goal. And to pretend Sora is a vessel - "deception, mislead and lie" - some of the things villains to steer others off course. If MX was really short on options, I strongly doubt that he would be so calm, especially for something that he has worked more than a decade to accomplish.

Well it is going to be Sora, Riku, Mickey, Terra, Ven, Aqua

Secret ending spoiler

 

and Kairi

 

Because Mickey talks about the seven guardians of light and says

Sora Riku Me and 3 lost friends.

3 lost firends being Terra, Ven & Aqua.

Secret ending spoiler

 

And then Kairi is in on it in the secret ending.

 

So Terra isn't part of the 13 vessels.

It think in the next game Terra will be rescued from whatever state he is currently in.

Edited August 19, 201213 yr by KeybladeWielder_

 

I really can't see this being the case. For starters if MX was using Sora as a distraction then who else in the was Xehanort trying to collect. Number two why gather his 12 selves in the RoS if his true target was elsewhere. Wouldn't it make more sense to send some of his ranks to retrieve the true target. None Sora and co. was aware the the test was a set up the Org counted on that. That stands to reason MX was not luring them there.

I really can't see this being the case. For starters if MX was using Sora as a distraction then who else in the was Xehanort trying to collect. Number two why gather his 12 selves in the RoS if his true target was elsewhere. Wouldn't it make more sense to send some of his ranks to retrieve the true target. None Sora and co. was aware the the test was a set up the Org counted on that. That stands to reason MX was not luring them there.

 

tutti frutti. In a sense, I don't doubt that there is somebody else helping Xehanort in some way. Both Xigbar/Braig and Vanitas helped Xehanort in their own ways. Assuming the possibility that Vanitas has returned, and isn't among the group, for example, he could be tasked with doing outside work of some sort. MX seems to have a knack for using people as needed. I just find it crazy that unless for some major reason he used the realm of sleep for his own reasons, he would seem to know roughly the time that Sora and Riku would know when they were taking the MoM exam. Xehanort did mention that he use Maleficent to look for the Princess of Heart for him, to which now he knows who they are and more than likely knows the home world that they are in. If some of the 12 members were missing, all while Xehanort would tell them that he is almost done, that would more so be giving his opponents a chance to stop him. The only way that I can see this is if, outside of MX, Isa, Braig/Xigbar, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas, the other hooded members of the were merely projections into the realm of sleep. YMX did mention the time travel, which is possible that being able to do that allowed him to find out who they needed as the 13th member. We can't really say if YMX, or any other form of Xehanort, bent the rules in some way themselves in order to better further their goals.

But what about the Secret Ending in BBS. Terra said his friends would find a way and he'd be free from Xehanort, whether Xehanort took over his heart or not. Sora's the key to everything, so first thing's first. He's gotta get Aqua out of the RoD, then they'll get Ven and wake him from his sleep as Sora will return it too im. Ven asked if he could stay there over time, now's the time to end his stay there(well really it's his heart, but he asked Sora to hold onto it for him).

 

Now that I think about it, Sora released Ven's heart when he stabbed himself with the Key to People's hearts, Roxas was created with Ven's heart and returned Ven's heart to Sora when he returned to Sora. But what is it that Sora's supposed to do? Why did Roxas say that to him? That's the only part that's really confusing to me and I may not have caught the answer to it if it was stated later on.

tutti frutti. In a sense, I don't doubt that there is somebody else helping Xehanort in some way. Both Xigbar/Braig and Vanitas helped Xehanort in their own ways. Assuming the possibility that Vanitas has returned, and isn't among the group, for example, he could be tasked with doing outside work of some sort. MX seems to have a knack for using people as needed. I just find it crazy that unless for some major reason he used the realm of sleep for his own reasons, he would seem to know roughly the time that Sora and Riku would know when they were taking the MoM exam. Xehanort did mention that he use Maleficent to look for the Princess of Heart for him, to which now he knows who they are and more than likely knows the home world that they are in. If some of the 12 members were missing, all while Xehanort would tell them that he is almost done, that would more so be giving his opponents a chance to stop him. The only way that I can see this is if, outside of MX, Isa, Braig/Xigbar, Ansem SoD, and Xemnas, the other hooded members of the were merely projections into the realm of sleep. YMX did mention the time travel, which is possible that being able to do that allowed him to find out who they needed as the 13th member. We can't really say if YMX, or any other form of Xehanort, bent the rules in some way themselves in order to better further their goals.

 

I really don't see how any of these tie together or make a point that makes sense(However I will try to answer anyway)

Yes Master Xehanort has previously used outside to further his goals.However the difference between between those instances and the one you are suggesting is that they are always clearly displayed by either direct mention or cutscenes. In fact it is nearly impossible for Vanitas to exist in the present time(Because he was destroyed as I'm sure you must realize) unless he was pulled from the past in which case he would have had to be in the room with as one of the hooded figures.

 

Number two as per the special conditions of being a world in between TWTNW was allowed to exist in both the RoS and RoL as well as house all 12 vessels simaltaneously even though some of them were pulled from alternate timlines. This would have made it a perfect location to carry out his plan without bending the laws of time.

In the latter half of The World That Never Was, despite returning to the real world, why do Sora and co. stay in that form and why do Dream Eaters appear etc?

Nomura: Sora and co.’s form is due to Yen Sid’s magic, so the way it works is that they can’t turn back until they return to the Mysterious Tower, and Dream Eaters were appearing because Sora was still asleep. Also, ever since Organisation XIII was defeated in KH2, the The World That Never Was’ existence as a world has become uncertain. In the first place, the worlds in the rift between darkness and light have different rules than other worlds. The Mysterious Tower isn’t always standing in a fixed place. Traverse Town too reforms its shape every time, which is why the version that appears in this title is clearly different than the version in Kingdom Hearts.

 

— In other words, Ansem and Xemnas were, at the same time, existing in the time and space of KH3D as well as having returned to their true human form after being destroyed?

Nomura: Yes, it does turn out that way. However, as I said before, ‘The World That Never Was’, where the thirteen all met, is a special space. The mechanics behind how they were all able to exist at the same time is a mystery. From KH1 on, Ansem has returned no matter how many times he has been defeated, perhaps the same sort of thing happened.

 

 

 

 

 

Bearing these facts in mind there is no way to refute that those 12 figures were the real vessels. Not to mention Nomura confirmed that they were all there because YX gathered them there through his time traveling abilties in his interviews.

 

Now adressing the issue of how Master Xehanort knew when to exact his plan I believe this to be Ansem SoD's doing by connecting Destiny Islands to darkness he also connected it to the RoS. Ansem time traveling was the back up plan he must have known that eventually that someone would have to access the sleeping worlds and close the keyholes to fully revive them. Bear in mind at that point the original vessel target was Riku and that thanks to Terra's memories he knew Riku had the power to get a keyblade and would be able to acesss it. Because Ansem was there when the Destiny Islands when it fell asleep he was able to act as a portal to the dream world and allow the YX to advance with the backup plan.

 

What about when Riku looked upon the Brown Robed Figure and dived into another world, was it assumed he’d join Organization XIII?

Nomura: Since they knew he’d wake up soon, it’s reasonable to assume as much, but that wasn’t necessarily why the Organization had guided him. Still, they weren’t ready to completely give up on Riku, they wanted to win him over into the Organization. However, Riku had developed a resistance to darkness and as a result, they gave up.

Edited August 20, 201213 yr by devereauxr

 

The problem with speculation is people will interpret it in their own way without any reasoning to back it up or if they do it's distorted to match what their saying. I myself use interviews and videos because they are an ironclad way of backing up my points and show why and how I came to the conclusion I do. Zhill's theory did not make sense I merely pointed out the flaws thats the point of forums lol.

Edited August 21, 201213 yr by devereauxr

Though I have met people that vary how they view the stories of games, let alone stories in general despite where the media is from, I find it interesting how people that I have seen across the internet seem to have different views about something regarding the same story(-ies). For the most part I find that you both make sense in your own way. Ignoring videos, on one side I find how you use interviews to view the story to the Kingdom Hearts series, such as this topic, as your choice of perceiving the series as a whole. And then Zill, though I'm not completely sure if he/she does this, but it does sound like that this person seems to do the opposite by avoiding interviews as a way of avoiding truth, and leave it to imagination. (Almost like how in the game God of War 3, I got the message that people should make decisions for themselves over spiritual/religious reasons. *No offense to anyone who's religious on this site.)

 

Even though it depends on the video game or the series, I more so do a mix of finding the truth or going with imagination, I've kind of been leaning towards imagination based on the differences that I have seen in the internet.

 

First of all people came to this thread to get information based on FACT, not imagination if you read the whole thread you would realize that. All I did was point out the holes in his reasoning, I used interviews to back up my points so that no one could dispute why I had to come to those conclusions.Fact of the matter is when you put up a theory you need to back it up with solid evidence(More so if your theory is based on imagination) if your looking for a place to make those posts then go to a speculation thread not a fact based thread.

Number two the theory itself wasn't even on topic to what we were discussing. Everyone here was discussing whether or not MX was referring to Ventus rather then Terra as one of the two he had on his side. So quite frankly it was lucky to be acknowledged at all, because no one else bothered to do it. However I ignored that fact and answered anyway

Finally I could understand your point if this was speculation about a future game but DDD has already came out, all the facts about it have already been shown in the game or confirmed and explained in Nomura's interviews. You can't "ignore" these FACTS in favor of what you think happened, when it has already been explained what did happen( this is what I pointed out to zhill in my post).

Once again I really don't understand how me correcting zhill effected you in anyway (unless you also ignore the facts) but I'll give you some free advice, if you have a theory you better back it up or people on here will eat it alive.

Edited August 21, 201213 yr by devereauxr

Well its been theorized that the whole Castle Oblivion thing was really to find where Ventus was sleeping, ordered by Xemnas who remembers w/e Xehanort rememebred and stuff....and they made Sora dream in TWTNW and that very heart touching cutscene about Ven, Aqua, and Terra. In my opinion, yes and no....i think... considerign the quotes you posted.

 

the way sora and ven both put their hands behind their heads and sway side to side and stuff...basicly learn the same commands (Faith..Salvation..Tornado...ect...), thats prob what they were refering to, remember that they are all basicly in Sora's Dream, and Young Xehanort is very nosey and M. Xehanort is a one fo a kind evil genius

I was just pointing out how people have different views on something despite on how they view it. You don't have to turn into a total dick about how I found it interesting in the way people view things differently. Yeah facts are there for the people and it should be up to them to look at it should they decide to do so. Forum or not, people have that right to use imagination or use facts on a forum. Nobody really asks others to correct them, more so you. Facts are on a forum if the people themselves decide to look them up or ask for them. If they themselves want facts, they would ASK. Unless you are in charge of the site with rules dictating that, don't force them onto people, regardless of how they view the story of anything. If you find that somebody is wrong about something on this site, ignore it a move on. Ultimately, it's not your call to say where a person puts up speculation, unless you are in charge of this site.

 

Actually when people are posting questions on these forums its bc they want the real answer so they can figure out whats going on . So most are expecting FACTS not made up info ..Now if a person is posting a speculation topic, then by all means putting forth opinions based on imagination is perfectly fine and encouraged . That is what hes saying . How is that being a 'dick " ? .Its also against site rules to name call .You in turn are forcing your opinion by telling him he has no right to post actual facts and backing that up when he does indeed have that right .

I was just pointing out how people have different views on something despite on how they view it. You don't have to turn into a total dick about how I found it interesting in the way people view things differently. Yeah facts are there for the people and it should be up to them to look at it should they decide to do so. Forum or not, people have that right to use imagination or use facts on a forum. Nobody really asks others to correct them, more so you. Facts are on a forum if the people themselves decide to look them up or ask for them. If they themselves want facts, they would ASK. Unless you are in charge of the site with rules dictating that, don't force them onto people, regardless of how they view the story of anything. If you find that somebody is wrong about something on this site, ignore it a move on. Ultimately, it's not your call to say where a person puts up speculation, unless you are in charge of this site.

 

Once again this thread is based on fact people came to this thread to get their questions answered with real in game FACTS, not to to come up with imagination based theories.

Like I said before if it already happened and was explained how and why it happened you can no longer speculate.

Number two who are you to tell me I'm not aloud to post facts when correcting people because quite frankly that's the only way they'll listen. Your being quite the hypocrite by telling me I'm forcing people to view the facts when you yourself are forcing your opinion onto me. I never told you couldn't speculate on a FACT BASED THREAD I just told you if your gonna do it have evidence to back it up or you WILL be refuted.

 

Also quite frankly I still don't see what I said to Zhill has anything to do with you and, why your so mad about it chill out dude. All I did was point out why his theory was wrong and used facts to back it up.He didn't dispute me so I don't see why your so butthurt about it. Hell most people except and are appreciative because they now know whats going on.

 

 

Actually when people are posting questions on these forums its bc they want the real answer so they can figure out whats going on . So most are expecting FACTS not made up info ..Now if a person is posting a speculation topic, then by all means putting forth opinions based on imagination is perfectly fine and encouraged . That is what hes saying . How is that being a 'dick " ? .Its also against site rules to name call .You in turn are forcing your opinion by telling him he has no right to post actual facts and backing that up when he does indeed have that right .

 

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I more so just felt attacked due to finding the comment that Zhill posted to be interesting. From the message that I got, it was more so that those who prefer imagination over fact, or however they may perceive their view of the story outside of fact, is something that is wrong.

 

 

 

As I mentioned there are those that decide look at facts and those that don't. As I mentioned above to Flaming Lea, I more so felt attacked merely due to finding what Zhill had mentioned to be interesting. And when it came to forcing stuff onto people you "HYPOCRITE," you had already forced facts on another member in this thread. Plus, the message that I had received is something was more so that people weren't allowed to put their speculation for using their imagination. I prefer to view different perspectives about a topic, regardless of whether or not people in general prefer to look up sources for answers or not.

 

 

But you are the one forcing your opinion of whether Devereauxr can discuss with another member his theory and why or why not it may or may not work..He has every right to discuss things with whomever he wishes . He wasnt forcing anything on anyone .He was backing up his reasoning and side of the discussion . This is a forum .This is exactly why people come here . Who are you to tell him he cant discuss with others using facts ?..This is what occurs on forums . If you come on here to discuss things, people will discuss their thoughts too .And if they want to use facts to back it up thats their business. He never told anyone they couldnt speculate . He just said that when people ask questions they dont want some wild nonsensical answer, they want facts ..Unless you are on a speculation thread - where you can use your imagination and toss around random thoughts with abandon. .. You are acting like hes trying to dictate every post made on this site when hes just answering your question on why he personally uses interviews and facts . Chill, seriously . Forums are meant to discuss. Not everyone will agree with you .

I more so just felt attacked due to finding the comment that Zhill posted to be interesting. From the message that I got, it was more so that those who prefer imagination over fact, or however they may perceive their view of the story outside of fact, is something that is wrong.

 

 

 

As I mentioned there are those that decide look at facts and those that don't. As I mentioned above to Flaming Lea, I more so felt attacked merely due to finding what Zhill had mentioned to be interesting. And when it came to forcing stuff onto people you "HYPOCRITE," you had already forced facts on another member in this thread. Plus, the message that I had received is something was more so that people weren't allowed to put their speculation for using their imagination. I prefer to view different perspectives about a topic, regardless of whether or not people in general prefer to look up sources for answers or not.

 

So because I corrected "ZHILL" "YOU" felt attacked that doesn't make any sense what so ever, (so try again buddy). I never forced anything on anyone, myself and Flaming Lea merely debated the facts everyone else on this thread excepted that we were right (Hell even the person in the intial dispute and could not refute because we backed oursleves up). I see no reason for you to keep attacking me and telling me what to do when it doesn't effect you. If you prefer to view the topic using your imagination that's your buisiness. Just know when you post it on the fact based threads you WILL be refuted. Which is what I've been telling you the entire time READ WHAT I SAID.

I think your way to butthurt about something that wasn't even regarding you to begin with, it's completely uncessary, and I think you need to chill dude.

I wasn't saying that people had to agree with me, since people have their own viewpoints. Yeah, this is a forum, where people can discuss whatever the topics may be. I more so mentioned how I found it interesting the way that people have their own viewpoints. And I'm sure that if a particular person wanted facts, I'm sure they would ask, or check out where the information may be. I never really asked any questions pertaining to anything in this thread. And why were you even dragged into this to begin with?

 

 

 

 

 

I could ask you the same thing . Devereauxr was replying to Zhill not you .. So I don't think you should really be asking me that ..You quoted Dev and started fighting with him bc he was discussing his thoughts on Zhills post . There is no reason to feel attacked bc someone didnt agree with something you did agree on .. Thats just silly .. Then you continue to tell him he forced his opinion on you when he never addressed YOU.. He was talking to Zhill. You happen to disagree with him so you ,in turn, are trying to force your opinion on him ..Why were you taking a discussion between two strangers on the internet personally when it wasnt even involving you ? You are arguing for no reason.

Edited August 26, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

 

You know what I more so think, I think YOU need a reality check my friend you ARE acting crazy over nothing. I don't care if you thought ZHILL's theory was interesting what I said to him had "nothing"(emphasis on nothing) to do with you. For you to sit here and argue with me because I said proved some else wrong, then proceed to tell me what to do is quite childish. I never forced zhill to accept what I said was true(even though it was) but because I backed myself up with irrefutable facts he had no choice. I never forced you to change your opinion either I just told you if your gonna make a theory back it up (So try again buddy). I'm not go going to change how I argue so you can either get over it or take yourself into a corner and cry about it.

At what point and time did I say that I disagreed with him over a speculation that I have found to be interesting? If finding how people view something interesting a method of disagreeing with anybody, then clearly you need a method of looking through a dictionary to understand the meaning of words. I felt attacked merely by finding what another person stated as interesing. At an earlier point, Devereauxr DID tell me to go to a speculation forum, which is one point to where it is implied to be an attack.

 

 

 

If you don't care that I thought that Zhill's theory was interesting why were acting crazy about it to begin with? The thing that I have found childish is that you absolutely lost it just because of someone finding what another person interesting "buddy." People in turn are entitled to their own speculation regardless of backing it up. You DID force information on another member since he never asked for the information to begin with, which is in turn something that I saw as speculation. Go drink a bottle of milk if you're going to complain about how people view things on a forum, since this forum doesn't belong to you to begin with "buddy."

 

I don't know if you two are sleeping together or what by the way the both of you are attacking me like this, though it is crazy how both of you can't really be without each other in this thread let alone this site.

 

At what point and time did I say that I disagreed with him over a speculation that I have found to be interesting? If finding how people view something interesting a method of disagreeing with anybody, then clearly you need a method of looking through a dictionary to understand the meaning of words. I felt attacked merely by finding what another person stated as interesing. At an earlier point, Devereauxr DID tell me to go to a speculation forum, which is one point to where it is implied to be an attack.

 

 

 

If you don't care that I thought that Zhill's theory was interesting why were acting crazy about it to begin with? The thing that I have found childish is that you absolutely lost it just because of someone finding what another person interesting "buddy." People in turn are entitled to their own speculation regardless of backing it up. You DID force information on another member since he never asked for the information to begin with, which is in turn something that I saw as speculation. Go drink a bottle of milk if you're going to complain about how people view things on a forum, since this forum doesn't belong to you to begin with "buddy."

 

I don't know if you two are sleeping together or what by the way the both of you are attacking me like this, though it is crazy how both of you can't really be without each other in this thread let alone this site.

 

 

You are really making no sense with your rambling . Attempting to launch personal attacks on people you know nothing about clearly shows you cannot handle the internet .I never attacked you once .But you sure seem to like doing it and seem to be oblivious to your own lack of logic and nonsense . You attacked Dev bc he was discussing another persons post with that person . He has every right to respond . This is a PUBLIC forum . Which means anyone can post a response ..How on earth we are supposedly 'sleeping ' with each other over the internet is actually the funniest yet most idiotic thing you have stated yet . Scraping the bottom of the barrel for a response , arent ya ? YOU are the one who started attacking Dev and now you are trying to attack me bc I pointed out to you that he has every right to post and respond on a PUBLIC forum ...I am really suppose to take you seriously ? You keep saying that you were offended bc Dev didnt agree with Zhills post which has NOTHING to do with you let alone an attack on you ..YOU are the one crying bc you dont like how Dev viewed Zhills post .Hypocrite much ? You are the one 'losing it ' bc Dev dared prove a theory you liked wrong . Who is the one being childish ? Just stop bc you are getting nowhere

Edited August 30, 201213 yr by Flaming Lea

Hey guys can we stop pointlessly arguing