I know there are a lot of theories about who will be our Guardians of Light and who our 13 Darknesses, so I decided a poll of all the possibilities was in order. So please select the 7 Keyblade Wielders (or potential Keyblade wielders) you think will protect the light, and the 13 who will comprise the Darkness. I realize the Darkness includes known members, I consider it an easy way to see if people are being serious about this.

I put it in alphabetical order so there's no bias in the list (or as close as I can come), and if I missed a realistic option please tell me, and I'll add it.

Edited September 12, 201213 yr by Gambler'sApprentice

Xemnas most likely realized the Sora-Ven connection upon seeing Roxas's physical appearance ("Why does Sora's Nobody look like Ven?"). Not to mention MX flat-out admitted to knowing about Ven's missing Heart.

Ven can't be a darkness if they don't have his body .How many times has this been pointed out ? Xemnas DID search but cannot find his body bc only Aqua can .MX needs the body for a vessel not his heart .

 

 

 

 

 

Actually Nomura did confirm Roxas had ven's heart . A LONG time ago at that .

Id like a link to wherever you think that was confirmed. As far as I'm aware, Nomura only ever said that it could go either way, and that it was a maybe.

Xemnas most likely realized the Sora-Ven connection upon seeing Roxas's physical appearance ("Why does Sora's Nobody look like Ven?"). Not to mention MX flat-out admitted to knowing about Ven's missing Heart.

 

 

That doesn't matter .He said that light was now a darkness .Ven can't be a darkness since they don't have his BODY FFS . Lets use logic here thx.

Id like a link to wherever you think that was confirmed. As far as I'm aware, Nomura only ever said that it could go either way, and that it was a maybe.

Nope you are wrong .It was definitely confirmed . I'll go get the link/interview .

That doesn't matter .He said that light was now a darkness .Ven can't be a darkness since they don't have his BODY FFS . Lets use logic here thx.

 

 

Nope you are wrong .It was definitely confirmed . I'll go get the link/interview .

Ill be waiting...

Ill be waiting...

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943347-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/57971099?page=2

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943347-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/57971099?page=2

 

 

Thx Saved me the work

Thx Saved me the work

No problem.

Ill be waiting...

 

There ya go 

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

EDIT: Nevermind. Reread the first line... it might be saying that...

I still think its a grey area.

 

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/943347-kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/57971099?page=2

And still, no where in that does it say Roxas has Vens heart. It says that Sora is harboring the heart of Ventus and Roxas is influenced by that... actually read the quote before saying it disproves me, thank you.

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by RoxSoxKH

That doesn't matter .He said that light was now a darkness .Ven can't be a darkness since they don't have his BODY FFS . Lets use logic here thx.

 

 

Nope you are wrong .It was definitely confirmed . I'll go get the link/interview .

Actually, he said, "But Sora and another on your list belong to me now." If Ven's Heart was in a (potential) vessel, then logically MX would regard that as "belonging to him" as well.

 

I'm not arguing with you anymore. It's annoying, and you have yet to give adequate proof enough to dissuade me.

EDIT: Nevermind. Reread the first line... it might be saying that...

I still think its a grey area.

Actually, he said, "But Sora and another on your list belong to me now." If Ven's Heart was in a (potential) vessel, then logically MX would regard that as "belonging to him" as well.I'm not arguing with you anymore. It's annoying, and you have yet to give adequate proof enough to dissuade me.

....Dude, don't go there...Trust me

And still, no where in that does it say Roxas has Vens heart. It says that Sora is harboring the heart of Ventus and Roxas is influenced by that... actually read the quote before saying it disproves me, thank you.

It says Vens heart is in Sora which is in ROXAS BODY... He is saying that exactly . Talk about in denial . When Sora became a walking heart there is no way he could still harbor Ven's heart bc he was a heart himself ...It is the reason roxas could dual wield - bc ven's heart was inside him and xion's death awakened that ability within roxas which is also stated in that link 

Read the edit.

Actually, he said, "But Sora and another on your list belong to me now." If Ven's Heart was in a (potential) vessel, then logically MX would regard that as "belonging to him" as well.I'm not arguing with you anymore. It's annoying, and you have yet to give adequate proof enough to dissuade me.

 

He also said now that all the 13 darknesses were now there collected together and since Ven cant be a darkness you have no point .I  beg to differ on providing proof since you have none and you have admitted this on other threads on which you have lost this argument  over and over ,

 

 

Read the edit.

 

 

 

But it's not a grey area.I've already stated why .

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

Actually, he said, "But Sora and another on your list belong to me now." If Ven's Heart was in a (potential) vessel, then logically MX would regard that as "belonging to him" as well.

I'm not arguing with you anymore. It's annoying, and you have yet to give adequate proof enough to dissuade me.

A vessel is defined as body with a piece of Master Xehanort's heart. In order for Ven to be considered a vessel his body would need to be implanted with Master Xehanort's heart. Bottom line a heart cannot be a vessel.

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus...

 

It all comes down to your interpretation of these two lines.

 

I see the first line as meaning "Ventus is part of Sora, and thusly part of Roxas".This is the logistics of Roxas being Soras nobody, not saying that Roxas has Vens heart. And the second line basically confirms that interpretation, that Roxas looks like Ven because he was influenced by the connection between Sors and Ven, not because he has Vens heart.

Until I see Nomura explicitly saying the words "Roxas had Vens heart", then I won't believe it, and I won't argue the point.

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus...It all comes down to your interpretation of these two lines.I see the first line as meaning "Ventus is part of Sora, and thusly part of Roxas".This is the logistics of Roxas being Soras nobody, not saying that Roxas has Vens heart. And the second line basically confirms that interpretation, that Roxas looks like Ven because he was influenced by the connection between Sors and Ven, not because he has Vens heart.Until I see Nomura explicitly saying the words "Roxas had Vens heart", then I won't believe it, and I won't argue the point.

 

He actually freakin' says that it was in Sora which is ROXAS" PHYSICAL BODY > Word for word proof . Also Nomura goes on to say that its also the reason why Roxas dual wields bc Xions death awakened the ability through Ven's heart when she died - which was in ROXAS. He also states that the reason Roxas faints in CO was bc he was near both of his original selves ( Sora and Ven both being there ) Also like i said since we know Ven's heart is still in Sora bc Roxas went back to Sora the only way this could be is bc it WAS in Roxas bc Sora couldn't hold Ven's heart anymore when he became a heartless/ walking heart . The heart needs a vessel aka BODY to be held in .This is common sense . You can't argue this  bc you don't want to accept you are wrong.

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

I said I was done arguing.

I said I was done arguing.

 

 

LOL ok whatever you say .Figures that when you demand proof you can't accept it when it's given and you can't counter what i pointed out

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

LOL ok whatever you say.

It comes down to this. Nowhere is your idea explicitly stated. Nowhere are the words that "Roxas has Vens heart" said. I see a sentence that could either be saying what you think, or saying what I think; and a second sentence that says exactly what I think. Not to mention the fact that we now have the knowledge that Nobodies can grow hearts. And also the fact that when Riku dives into Soras heart; we see Roxas and Ventus both... seperately. And that it was heavily suggested that Roxas would become his own person, which flies in the face of your theory, because if Roxas had Vens heart, the two could not coexist.

 

And with that, I'm done. Believe what you want to believe.

It comes down to this. Nowhere is your idea explicitly stated. Nowhere are the words that "Roxas has Vens heart" said. I see a sentence that could either be saying what you think, or saying what I think; and a second sentence that says exactly what I think. Not to mention the fact that we now have the knowledge that Nobodies can grow hearts. And also the fact that when Riku dives into Soras heart; we see Roxas and Ventus both... seperately. And that it was heavily suggested that Roxas would become his own person, which flies in the face of your theory, because if Roxas had Vens heart, the two could not coexist.And with that, I'm done. Believe what you want to believe.

 

Actually now you are talking in circles . Roxas had Ven's heart inside him and could still grow his own bc that heart was asleep and wasn't his own heart .Nomura stated that it was ROXAS- sora's physical body for a reason ...The second part that you are refering to is referencing that the heart shapes the vessel and thats why Roxas looked like Ven and not Sora despite him being Sora's physical body and nobody. Obviously it's proven Ven's heart is still in Sora's body . I never stated anywhere that he couldn't also grow his own so quit grasping for straws here...You are talking about Sora's ability to hold more than just his own heart just like Terranort harbored more than one .So whats your point ? If it wasn't in roxas , where did ven's heart go bc Sora couldn't hold it while he was just a heart himself and since Ven's heart was asleep it couldn't seek refuge anywhere else and yet still proven to be there in DDD..

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

And that it was heavily suggested that Roxas would become his own person, which flies in the face of your theory, because if Roxas had Vens heart, the two could not coexist.

That's like saying neither Roxas nor Ven can come back because Sora has both of their hearts.

 

Just sayin.

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by Xaon

That's like saying neither Roxas nor Ven can come back because Sora has both of their hearts.

 

Just sayin.

 

Exactly .That makes no sense to say and what he says doesn't ' flie in the face' of my theory since this isn't a theory and has been proven as such .Yet what he's saying proves nothing since he refuses to answer my points as to why what he is saying makes no sense 

Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus...

It all comes down to your interpretation of these two lines.

I see the first line as meaning "Ventus is part of Sora, and thusly part of Roxas".This is the logistics of Roxas being Soras nobody, not saying that Roxas has Vens heart. And the second line basically confirms that interpretation, that Roxas looks like Ven because he was influenced by the connection between Sors and Ven, not because he has Vens heart.

Until I see Nomura explicitly saying the words "Roxas had Vens heart", then I won't believe it, and I won't argue the point.

*Q1: Why do Roxas and Ventus look alike?*

 

A: Because inside Sora, which is Roxas’ body, is Ventus’ heart. As was shown in the opening to BbS and the ending to Last Episode, Sora and Ventus’ heart are linked. And so Roxas, who is a part of Sora, was affected by that and looks just like Ventus.

 

This doesn't get any clearer then this. Roxas who is literally Sora's body was affected by Ventus's heart.

Since the heart shapes the vessel Sora's body was molded to look like Ventus as his heart remained in Sora's body. Had Ven's heart not been present Roxas would have looked like Sora not Ven.

 

 

*Q2: Why did Roxas faint in Castle Oblivion on Day 297?*

 

A: Because he had gotten to close to both Sora and Ventus, his “real self”.Before Day 297 in Days Sora had been to Castle Oblivion, as well as the fact that Ventus is asleep somewhere in the Room of Awakening. Both Sora and Ventus can be called Roxas’ “real selves”, and when he felt their presence it made him faint.

 

This further emulates the point about the location of Ven's heart. Roxas's fainted because Ven's heart was so close to his body, and Roxas(Sora's Body) was so close to his heart. Had Ven's heart not been within Roxas he woud not be included in Roxas's true selves.

 

 

*Q3 is basically the same question as 1 confirming Roxas has Ven's heart*

 

*Q4: Why can Roxas dual-wield?*

 

A: Because he can use both Sora’s and Ventus’ keyblades. Sora can wield two keyblades at once because he has Ventus’ as well as his own. As Roxas is a part of Sora, he also can use two. In Days Roxas awakened his ability to dual wield after fighting Xion. In KHII once, Sora absorbs him, he can also dual-wield.

 

Again if Roxas did not have Ven's heart he would have no means to access Ven's keyblade.

 

 

Nomura: Well, it isn’t that Roxas has physically inherited Xion’s keyblade, but more that Xion has awakened it within Roxas. In the KH series there are a lot of complex reasons why someone can use a keyblade, but basically you need a “heart” to be able to wield one. So strictly speaking, they are being influenced by Sora.

 

Again illustrating the same point.

Edited January 30, 201312 yr by devereauxr