Notice how in KH1FM and KH3D Xemnas uses the same moves in both games, while in KH2 a couple of the moves he used in KH1 and 3D he didn't use when he fought Sora in KH2. Same goes for Ansem SOD, when you fight him in KH3D he has a lot of moves that he didn't have in KH1. Now why could that be?

 

My theory is that, since Sora and Riku can't kill Xemnas and Ansem SOD in KH3(Otherwise, that would drastically change the timeline, since they were killed in KH1 and KH2, and can't be killed before they return to their respective times and fight Sora and get killed in those games) they will end up battering Xemnas and Ansem SOD a lot and end up knocking them out, and then when Xehanort is defeated, they go back to their respective times. That way when you fight them in 1 and 2, they are weakened from the battles in KH3, but due to the laws of Time travel in KH3D, they wouldn't remember that they got weakened, so they would fight Sora without knowing that.

 

But for that to make sense, Ansem and Xemnas would have to be alot stronger when you fight them in KH3 than in 3D in order for them to still be powerful enough to put up a decent fight in KH1 and KH2 aswell.

 

Thats my theory.

*Sora's confused face*

Good point

They can kill them because it's time travel. The rules are different in different types of stories. 

Notice how in KH1FM and KH3D Xemnas uses the same moves in both games, while in KH2 a couple of the moves he used in KH1 and 3D he didn't use when he fought Sora in KH2. Same goes for Ansem SOD, when you fight him in KH3D he has a lot of moves that he didn't have in KH1. Now why could that be?My theory is that, since Sora and Riku can't kill Xemnas and Ansem SOD in KH3(Otherwise, that would drastically change the timeline, since they were killed in KH1 and KH2, and can't be killed before they return to their respective times and fight Sora and get killed in those games) they will end up battering Xemnas and Ansem SOD a lot and end up knocking them out, and then when Xehanort is defeated, they go back to their respective times. That way when you fight them in 1 and 2, they are weakened from the battles in KH3, but due to the laws of Time travel in KH3D, they wouldn't remember that they got weakened, so they would fight Sora without knowing that.But for that to make sense, Ansem and Xemnas would have to be alot stronger when you fight them in KH3 than in 3D in order for them to still be powerful enough to put up a decent fight in KH1 and KH2 aswell.Thats my theory.

The purpose of Ansem going back in time and informing his past self of the future events was to gather all the Norts throughout time to wherever they needed to be gathered. However the secondary effect also ensured Xehanort's plan would come to fruition. By pulling his past self into the future he etched a preappointed path into his own heart. Because of this regardless whether or not YX remembers the events of the future after returning to his own time he will still grow up and spawn his future selves. With that being said Xemnas and Ansem will still exist regardless if they are destroyed as long as YX still exists.

They can kill them because it's time travel. The rules are different in different types of stories. 

No, thats not true. Its different in this because Young Xehanort stated that part of the rules of Time Travel are "You cannot change things that are destined to happen". Ansem SOD and Xemnas's defeats were destined to happen, otherwise it wouldn't have happened at all, meaning they can't change the past or future. They CAN'T KILL EITHER OF THEM IN KH3.

No, thats not true. Its different in this because Young Xehanort stated that part of the rules of Time Travel are "You cannot change things that are destined to happen". Ansem SOD and Xemnas's defeats were destined to happen, otherwise it wouldn't have happened at all, meaning they can't change the past or future. They CAN'T KILL EITHER OF THEM IN KH3.

Xehanort manufactured his own destiny by creating a time loop in which all the future will come into existence. He streched the rules in order to manfacture the conditions that would spark the second keyblade war. Regardless if they destroyed Xemnas or Ansem the two would still exist curtesy of Young Xehanort.

Xehanort manufactured his own destiny by creating a time loop in which all the future will come into existence. He streched the rules in order to manfacture the conditions that would spark the second keyblade war. Regardless if they destroyed Xemnas or Ansem the two would still exist curtesy of Young Xehanort.

No, you don't get it. The Xemnas and Ansem in DDD were the same people from KH1 and KH2, but they came to aid Xehanort before their defeats at the hands of Sora and Riku. They still HAVE TO BE THERE WHEN SORA GOES TO FIGHT THEM in the earlier games. If they die in the future before they go back to their own times and get killed by Sora then, the future will be completely changed, and the rules of time travel WILL BE BROKEN. THEY CAN'T BE KILLED IN KH3, BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY KILLED EARLIER IN THE TIMELINE.

I understand perfectly fine better then most people in fact. So I'll try and break this down simply.

 

Base timeline: Young Xehanort grows up spawn Xemnas and Ansem.

Before his fall Ansem send Young Xehanort to gather his future vessels throughout time to make Sora as his thirteenth vessel.

 

KH3D: Young Xehanort fails his task and returns to the moment before he time traveled erasing all the memories and experienced gained from time travel. However to his involvement in the past has etched the path into his heart. This forces Young Xehanort to follow the exact path that Master Xehanort followed.

 

New Timeline: Young Xehanort leaves Destiny Islands and grows up to spawn the rest of the norts.

 

In short Master Xehanort's time loop ensured that as long as Young Xehanort exists to grow up create his future selves they will always exist no matter how many times they're destroyed.

I understand perfectly fine better then most people in fact. So I'll try and break this down simply.Base timeline: Young Xehanort grows up spawn Xemnas and Ansem.Before his fall Ansem send Young Xehanort to gather his future vessels throughout time to make Sora as his thirteenth vessel.KH3D: Young Xehanort fails his task and returns to the moment before he time traveled erasing all the memories and experienced gained from time travel. However to his involvement in the past has etched the path into his heart. This forces Young Xehanort to follow the exact path that Master Xehanort followed.New Timeline: Young Xehanort leaves Destiny Islands and grows up to spawn the rest of the norts.In short Master Xehanort's time loop ensured that as long as Young Xehanort exists to grow up create his future selves they will always exist no matter how many times they're destroyed.

Oh yeah, i forgot that YX's involvement in this causes him to follow the same path MX did. Thats why what happened in DDD was destined to happen. But that still doesn't change the fact that Xemnas and Ansem SOD Can't be killed in KH3.

 

Ansem SOD and Xemnas went to be part of the 13 darknesses in order to help MX forge the X-blade, but they did that BEFORE THEY WERE KILLED BY SORA. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been there at all. With your logic, if they died in KH3, YX could make them again due to the timeloop. But the problem with that, is that they'd end up going to aid MX and be part of the 13 darknesses again, and get killed again and again, without ever actually being killed by the person they were originally destined to be defeated by: Sora.

 

That would mean, they would never have the chance to get killed by the younger Sora and RIku in KH1 and KH2, and that alone changes the timeline, because they wouldn't be there to be killed by Sora and Riku's past selves, since their future selves would've already done that. That would mean, many of the events of KH1 and KH2 would never happen, and the stories in the earlier games wouldn't mean anything anymore. It would create a WHOLE NEW TIMELINE, and the rules of time travel say that events that are destined to happen CANNOT BE CHANGED. Xemnas and Ansem SOD ARE SUPPOSED TO BE KILLED BY THE YOUNGER SORA AND RIKU, NOT THE SORA AND RIKU IN KH3, thats how its destined to be, otherwise it wouldn't have already happened. They WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES OF TIME TRAVEL IF THEY KILLED THEM IN KH3, and THAT CAN ONLY LEAD TO DISASTEROUS RESULTS.

 

The truth is, THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH3, THEY ARE STILL SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH1 AND KH2, like they originally did. Somehow, the 7 lights have to send Ansem and Xemnas back to their timelines, and not kill them.

Edited June 20, 201312 yr by spiderfreak1011

Oh yeah, i forgot that YX's involvement in this causes him to follow the same path MX did. Thats why what happened in DDD was destined to happen. But that still doesn't change the fact that Xemnas and Ansem SOD Can't be killed in KH3.

 

Ansem SOD and Xemnas went to be part of the 13 darknesses in order to help MX forge the X-blade, but they did that BEFORE THEY WERE KILLED BY SORA. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been there at all. With your logic, if they died in KH3, YX could make them again due to the timeloop. But the problem with that, is that they'd end up going to aid MX and be part of the 13 darknesses again, and get killed again and again, without ever actually being killed by the person they were originally destined to be defeated by: Sora.

 

That would mean, they would never have the chance to get killed by the younger Sora and RIku in KH1 and KH2, and that alone changes the timeline, because they wouldn't be there to be killed by Sora and Riku's past selves, since their future selves would've already done that. That would mean, many of the events of KH1 and KH2 would never happen, and the stories in the earlier games wouldn't mean anything anymore. It would create a WHOLE NEW TIMELINE, and the rules of time travel say that events that are destined to happen CANNOT BE CHANGED. Xemnas and Ansem SOD ARE SUPPOSED TO BE KILLED BY THE YOUNGER SORA AND RIKU, NOT THE SORA AND RIKU IN KH3, thats how its destined to be, otherwise it wouldn't have already happened. They WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES OF TIME TRAVEL IF THEY KILLED THEM IN KH3, and THAT CAN ONLY LEAD TO DISASTEROUS RESULTS.

 

The truth is, THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH3, THEY ARE STILL SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH1 AND KH2, like they originally did. Somehow, the 7 lights have to send Ansem and Xemnas back to their timelines, and not kill them.

 

 

What you are not getting is that if they died in kh3 they would just get sent back to their original timelines like nothing ever happened and continue on with their destiny bc  the only fricken' reason they could even exist at that point is bc YMX was serving as a portal to hold them there. As long as he exists and the time loop exists everything will happen as it was and always meant to and it doesn't change the past events.

Edited June 20, 201312 yr by Flaming Lea

What you are not getting is that if they died in kh3 they would just get sent back to their original timelines like nothing ever happened and continue on with their destiny bc  the only fricken' reason they could even exist at that point is bc YMX was serving as a portal to hold them there. As long as he exists and the time loop exists everything will happen as it was and always meant to and it doesn't change the past events.

O_O Wait really? I don't understand how they could get sent to their timelines ALIVE if they already died in the future. If their bodies were sent back(which isnt possible, since their bodies would be destroyed if they died, KH1 and KH2 proved that), they should still be dead even if they arrived back. And how does being killed automatically send them back to where they where to begin with? I dont understand.

O_O Wait really? I don't understand how they could get sent to their timelines ALIVE if they already died in the future. If their bodies were sent back(which isnt possible, since their bodies would be destroyed if they died, KH1 and KH2 proved that), they should still be dead even if they arrived back. And how does being killed automatically send them back to where they where to begin with? I dont understand.

 

Because they were not suppose to exist in the first place. They already died in their timelines and the only reason they were brought to the present alive is bc YMX brought them there and served as a portal and anchored them there.. If they were to be 'destroyed' they would just go back to where they were suppose to be- the point in time where they were picked up never to even remember what happened and would go on with business as usual . It's an infinite time loop.

Because they were not suppose to exist in the first place. They already died in their timelines and the only reason they were brought to the present alive is bc YMX brought them there and served as a portal and anchored them there.. If they were to be 'destroyed' they would just go back to where they were suppose to be- the point in time where they were picked up never to even remember what happened and would go on with business as usual . It's an infinite time loop.

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Ok then, that makes sense. But now, its up to Nomura to decide what he wants to happen.

Oh yeah, i forgot that YX's involvement in this causes him to follow the same path MX did. Thats why what happened in DDD was destined to happen. But that still doesn't change the fact that Xemnas and Ansem SOD Can't be killed in KH3.Ansem SOD and Xemnas went to be part of the 13 darknesses in order to help MX forge the X-blade, but they did that BEFORE THEY WERE KILLED BY SORA. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been there at all. With your logic, if they died in KH3, YX could make them again due to the timeloop. But the problem with that, is that they'd end up going to aid MX and be part of the 13 darknesses again, and get killed again and again, without ever actually being killed by the person they were originally destined to be defeated by: Sora.That would mean, they would never have the chance to get killed by the younger Sora and RIku in KH1 and KH2, and that alone changes the timeline, because they wouldn't be there to be killed by Sora and Riku's past selves, since their future selves would've already done that. That would mean, many of the events of KH1 and KH2 would never happen, and the stories in the earlier games wouldn't mean anything anymore. It would create a WHOLE NEW TIMELINE, and the rules of time travel say that events that are destined to happen CANNOT BE CHANGED. Xemnas and Ansem SOD ARE SUPPOSED TO BE KILLED BY THE YOUNGER SORA AND RIKU, NOT THE SORA AND RIKU IN KH3, thats how its destined to be, otherwise it wouldn't have already happened. They WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES OF TIME TRAVEL IF THEY KILLED THEM IN KH3, and THAT CAN ONLY LEAD TO DISASTEROUS RESULTS.The truth is, THEY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH3, THEY ARE STILL SUPPOSED TO DIE IN KH1 AND KH2, like they originally did. Somehow, the 7 lights have to send Ansem and Xemnas back to their timelines, and not kill them.

Oh yeah, i forgot that YX's involvement in this causes him to follow the same path MX did. Thats why what happened in DDD was destined to happen. But that still doesn't change the fact that Xemnas and Ansem SOD Can't be killed in KH3.

Yes they can still be killed they'll just be brought back, as long as Young Xehanort exists to anchor the curent chain them to Xehanort's manufacture destiny.No Ansem was not part of the original 13 darknesses. The Thirteen Darknesses were meant to be the original member of the Organization. As a backup plan Ansem went back in time to recruit his past self and gather his future selves. The Xemnas and Ansem we see in DDD are anchored there by Young Xehanort.If Xemnas and Ansem are destroyed in KH3 it means the rest of the darknesses are going to be destroyed as well that's kind of the point to stop the darknesses. Remember only the up to 3D is set stone any event after that is fair gameAgain Young Xehanort is anchoring Xemnas and Ansem to the present if they are destroyed in the present they will still exist in the past because Young Xehanort still exists in to create them in the first place. Nomura touched upon it in interviews. You could even argue that this phenomenom occured in 3D when Riku destroyed Ansem. Yet he was still able to appear when YX summoned the 12 darknesses to greet the return of Master Xehanort.As I've stated even Master Xehanort does not what will happen beyond the almost gathering of his darknesses. Which he was unable to predict Lea coming to save Sora. Also no how many times Ansem and Xemnas are killed they can still exist in the base timeline as long as Young Xehanort exist to create in the first. Therefore Xemnas and Ansem will always be able to fullfill their destined paths while simaltaneously aiding the 13 Darknesses. Yes they can still be killed they'll just be brought back, as long as Young Xehanort exists to anchor the current chain of eventsAlso Ansem was not part of the original 13 darknesses. The Thirteen Darknesses were meant to be the original member of the Organization. As a backup plan Ansem went back in time to recruit his past self and gather his future selves.

Edited June 20, 201312 yr by devereauxr

Yes they can still be killed they'll just be brought back, as long as Young Xehanort exists to anchor the curent chain them to Xehanort's manufacture destiny.No Ansem was not part of the original 13 darknesses. The Thirteen Darknesses were meant to be the original member of the Organization. As a backup plan Ansem went back in time to recruit his past self and gather his future selves. The Xemnas and Ansem we see in DDD are anchored there by Young Xehanort.If Xemnas and Ansem are destroyed in KH3 it means the rest of the darknesses are going to be destroyed as well that's kind of the point to stop the darknesses. Remember only the up to 3D is set stone any event after that is fair gameAgain Young Xehanort is anchoring Xemnas and Ansem to the present if they are destroyed in the present they will still exist in the past because Young Xehanort still exists in to create them in the first place. Nomura touched upon it in interviews. You could even argue that this phenomenom occured in 3D when Riku destroyed Ansem. Yet he was still able to appear when YX summoned the 12 darknesses to greet the return of Master Xehanort.As I've stated even Master Xehanort does not what will happen beyond the almost gathering of his darknesses. Which he was unable to predict Lea coming to save Sora. Also no how many times Ansem and Xemnas are killed they can still exist in the base timeline as long as Young Xehanort exist to create in the first. Therefore Xemnas and Ansem will always be able to fullfill their destined paths while simaltaneously aiding the 13 Darknesses. Yes they can still be killed they'll just be brought back, as long as Young Xehanort exists to anchor the current chain of eventsAlso Ansem was not part of the original 13 darknesses. The Thirteen Darknesses were meant to be the original member of the Organization. As a backup plan Ansem went back in time to recruit his past self and gather his future selves.

True, i understand now. That explains how when Sora beat Xemnas, he came back later anyway, even though he seemed to just fade away. Ok then, now it makes sense.

You play ffxiii-2 too much . The series will continue to KH4 and the end of Xehanort so they will probably able to kill them.

This thread is an example of why Time Travel is horrible and confusing.