Posted July 19, 201312 yr Well as the title said,sometimes I wish that everyone thing would just go wrong for the heros and they lose and the villains win.
July 20, 201312 yr Yeah sometimes. THey can't win EVERYTIME, it gets too boring if they never lose or have casualties.
July 20, 201312 yr Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: Infamous (series) GTA (series) Saints Row (series) Dungeon Keeper Crackdown Unreal 2 Syndicate Spore The Darkness Enclave Defcon Streets of Rage Bully Metal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.) And many more...
July 20, 201312 yr Author Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: Infamous (series) GTA (series) Saints Row (series) Dungeon Keeper Crackdown Unreal 2 Syndicate Spore The Darkness Enclave Defcon Streets of Rage Bully Metal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.) And many more... Do they win the entire game eventually or do the heroes come back? Infamous doesn't count since you have a choice.
July 20, 201312 yr Well, there are games where the bad guys win such as: Infamous (series)GTA (series)Saints Row (series)Dungeon KeeperCrackdownUnreal 2SyndicateSporeThe DarknessEnclaveDefconStreets of RageBullyMetal Gear Solid (series) (The Evil plot gets better by the minute as you complete more of the game.)And many more...I always considered the main guy in GTA a good guy for some reason Edited July 20, 201312 yr by Lalalablah
July 20, 201312 yr Yeah because the you understand why the guy does what he does. But if society thinks he's bad, then he's bad.
July 23, 201312 yr Here's the thing. The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman. If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist. Thus making them the hero. So the hero would still win. Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation. Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it.
July 24, 201312 yr Yes. Yes I do. I can't get invested in a story if there isn't actual risk involved. And there isn't any risk if the good guys win by default. Birth By Sleep, where the heroes fail to accomplish anything on all accounts, is one of my favorite Kingdom Hearts games. The Empire Strikes Back is the best Star Wars movie by far... The Mass Effect series of games where characters can actually die if you make the wrong decisions are some of my favorite games. Crisis Core, where Zack Fair dies a pretty a brutal death is one of my favorite Final Fantasies, alongside FFX where the entire story of the game is someone sacrificing themselves for someone else. My favorite Superheroes are the ones who can actually die. Etcetera, etcetera, you get the point.
July 24, 201312 yr Here's the thing.The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman.If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist.Thus making them the hero.So the hero would still win.Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation.Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it.A villain winning wouldn't make them become the protagonist any more than a hero losing would make them the antagonist.
July 26, 201312 yr Here's the thing. The protagonist of a story is someone actively trying to accomplish something. It is that act of accomplishment that makes them heroes over the average layman. If your villain succeeds, then in a way, they are the protagonist. Thus making them the hero. So the hero would still win. Also, no. I'm sick of the postmodern reaction against anyone who actually tries to be be a hero. The only value within having the villain win is contrariness for the sake of contrariness, which is an incredibly superficial and unsatisfying motivation. Besides, if you want an edgy ending, there are plenty of ways to do it with the hero. I recommend watching Unforgiven and The Godfather. Both have the hero win, but you don't feel good about it. The protagonist isn't always the hero, ya know...
Well as the title said,sometimes I wish that everyone thing would just go wrong for the heros and they lose and the villains win.