My reaction to the lyrics. I was listening to my favorite national anthems(apart from japans), but was taken aback by how violent they really were D: 

 

Not meant to be disrespectful. Just my reaction to the various odd lyrical choices. Or at least the only seem odd to me because my country's anthem doesn't talk about blood or fighting at all. So when I heard these parts of the themes I was surprised. Maybe because It went over my head when I listened to them when I was younger.

 

 

Me: Awesome! Wait....bombs? Rockets? D: 

 

Made me think of this at 0:25

 

 

France

 

Epic!

 

Then at: 1:05

 

Damn, France.....

 

What's your reaction/opinion of these parts of the lyrics? 

Edited October 6, 201411 yr by KittensOnFire

What's your reaction/opinion of these parts of the lyrics? 

 

and i was think the italian one's stupid....   and now you tell me there's other can be worst?!

i mean no offenses, but a little of bombs and such in the american i expected.... but the france brutal too!!

even if they have a good sound the lyrics are just..... no comment!

kitten, you make my respect for this anthems go downs

and maybe there's other too around.... i think the "i don't want to live in this world anymore" meme can fit good here

and i was think the italian one's stupid....   and now you tell me there's other can be worst?!

i mean no offenses, but a little of bombs and such in the american i expected.... but the france brutal too!!

even if they have a good sound the lyrics are just..... no comment!

kitten, you make my respect for this anthems go downs

and maybe there's other too around.... i think the "i don't want to live in this world anymore" meme can fit good here

It's their anthems, so I have no right to say this, but maybe the lyrics could use a little tweaking.  Just a little.  Pg rated would be nice considering kids in those countries are going to sing it

Edited October 6, 201411 yr by KittensOnFire

It's their anthems, so I have no right to say this, but maybe the lyrics could use a little tweaking.  Just a little.  Pg rated would be nice consider kids in those countries are going to sing it

 

yeah i little more...soft, like... why can the anthems talk about something to be pround istand of war-related?

i agree with the kids part

How very interesting...but, I think this represents America just fine:

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5xCkAjc3o[/YouTube]

 

Opinions?  

 

Or at least the only seem odd to me because my country's anthem doesn't talk about blood or fighting at all.

 

if i can ask, where are you from, kitten?

 

How very interesting...but, I think this represents America just fine:

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5xCkAjc3o[/YouTube]

 

Opinions?

 

i look at the lyrics... look's like rapresents more the world then the america only to me....

if i can ask, where are you from, kitten?

 

 

i look at the lyrics... look's like rapresents more the world then the america only to me....

Australia. Ours is probably the tamest thing ever

 

It was originally longer, but the last part was omitted because it talked about Britain. it was very british indeed

 

Australians all let us rejoice,

For we are young and free;

We've golden soil and wealth for toil,

Our home is girt by sea;

Our land abounds in Nature's gifts

Of beauty rich and rare;

In history's page, let every stage

Advance Australia fair!

In joyful strains then let us sing,

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

Beneath our radiant southern Cross,

We'll toil with hearts and hands;

To make this Commonwealth of ours

Renowned of all the lands;

For those who've come across the seas

We've boundless plains to share;

With courage let us all combine

To advance Australia fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

This is the part that was removed:

When gallant Cook from Albion sail'd,

To trace wide oceans o'er,

True British courage bore him on,

Till he landed on our shore.

Then here he raised Old England's flag,

The standard of the brave;

With all her faults we love her still,

"Brittannia rules the wave!"

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

While other nations of the globe

Behold us from afar, 

We'll rise to high renown and shine

Like our glorious southern star;

From England, Scotia, Erin's Isle,

Who come our lot to share,

Let all combine with heart and hand

To advance Australia fair!

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

Shou'd foreign foe e'er sight our coast,

Or dare a foot to land,

We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore

To guard our native strand;

Brittannia then shall surely know,

Beyond wide ocean's roll,

Her sons in fair Australia's land

Still keep a British soul.

In joyful strains the let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

 

 

'While other nations of the globe

Behold us from afar, ''

 

This cracked me up bad. It's like a girl saying ''Look at me im so great''

Edited October 6, 201411 yr by KittensOnFire

Most definitely.....BRUTAL

Most definitely.....BRUTAL

 

 

 

SO BRUTAL

 

 

 

SO BRUTAL

 

*INSERT HIGH PITCHED SCREAMING*

 

Australia. Ours is probably the tamest thing ever

 

It was originally longer, but the last part was omitted because it talked about Britain. it was very british indeed

 

Australians all let us rejoice,

For we are young and free;

We've golden soil and wealth for toil,

Our home is girt by sea;

Our land abounds in Nature's gifts

Of beauty rich and rare;

In history's page, let every stage

Advance Australia fair!

In joyful strains then let us sing,

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

Beneath our radiant southern Cross,

We'll toil with hearts and hands;

To make this Commonwealth of ours

Renowned of all the lands;

For those who've come across the seas

We've boundless plains to share;

With courage let us all combine

To advance Australia fair.

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

This is the part that was removed:

When gallant Cook from Albion sail'd,

To trace wide oceans o'er,

True British courage bore him on,

Till he landed on our shore.

Then here he raised Old England's flag,

The standard of the brave;

With all her faults we love her still,

"Brittannia rules the wave!"

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

While other nations of the globe

Behold us from afar, 

We'll rise to high renown and shine

Like our glorious southern star;

From England, Scotia, Erin's Isle,

Who come our lot to share,

Let all combine with heart and hand

To advance Australia fair!

In joyful strains then let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

Shou'd foreign foe e'er sight our coast,

Or dare a foot to land,

We'll rouse to arms like sires of yore

To guard our native strand;

Brittannia then shall surely know,

Beyond wide ocean's roll,

Her sons in fair Australia's land

Still keep a British soul.

In joyful strains the let us sing

"Advance Australia fair!" 

 

 

 

'While other nations of the globe

Behold us from afar, ''

 

This cracked me up bad. It's like a girl saying ''Look at me im so great''

 

*listen the anthem* this..... can i change mine anthem with your? *.*

for now, respect:

america:  -20 point less

france: -30 point less

australia: +25 point plus

i decide, i'll go to australia.... wait no money

 

 

 

 

SO BRUTAL

 

MASTER! MASTER!! so cool!! (the "quite solo" is just awesome   ) well better master of pupput then slit throats things....

Here is Brazil's. I daresay it has one of the most beautiful lyrics.

 

Part 1

From the Ipiranga, the placid banks heard  the resounding cry of a heroic people  and in shining the sun of liberty  shone in our homeland’s skies at that very moment.  If we have fulfilled the promise  of equality by our mighty arms,  in thy bosom, O freedom,  our brave breast shall defy death itself!  O beloved,  idolized homeland,  Hail, hail!  Brazil, an intense dream, a vivid ray  of love and hope descends to earth  if in thy lovely, smiling and clear skies  the image of the (Southern) Cross shines resplendently.  A giant by thine own nature,  thou art a beautiful, strong and intrepid colossus,  and thy future mirrors thy greatness.  Beloved Land  amongst a thousand others  art thou, Brazil,  O beloved homeland!  To the sons of this land  thou art a gentle mother,  beloved homeland,  Brazil!

 

 

 

  Part 2

Eternally lain on a splendid cradle,  by the sound of the sea and the light of the deep sky,  thou shinest, O Brazil, garland of America,  illuminated by the sun of the New World!  Thy smiling, our prairies have more flowers  than the most elegant land abroad,  “Our meadows have more life”,  “our life” in thy bosom “more love”. (*)  O beloved,  idolized homeland,  Hail, hail!  Brazil, let the star-spangled banner thou showest forth  be the symbol of eternal love,  and let the laurel-green of thy pennant proclaim  ‘Peace in the future and glory in the past.’  But if thou raisest the strong gavel of Justice,  thou wilt see that a son of thine flees not from battle,  nor does he who loves thee fear death itself.  Beloved Land,  amongst a thousand others  art thou, Brazil,  O beloved homeland!  To the sons of this land  thou art a gentle mother,  beloved homeland,  Brazil!

 

Here is Brazil's. I daresay it has one of the most beautiful lyrics.

 

Part 1

From the Ipiranga, the placid banks heard the resounding cry of a heroic people and in shining the sun of liberty shone in our homeland’s skies at that very moment. If we have fulfilled the promise of equality by our mighty arms, in thy bosom, O freedom, our brave breast shall defy death itself! O beloved, idolized homeland, Hail, hail! Brazil, an intense dream, a vivid ray of love and hope descends to earth if in thy lovely, smiling and clear skies the image of the (Southern) Cross shines resplendently. A giant by thine own nature, thou art a beautiful, strong and intrepid colossus, and thy future mirrors thy greatness. Beloved Land amongst a thousand others art thou, Brazil, O beloved homeland! To the sons of this land thou art a gentle mother, beloved homeland, Brazil!

 

 

 

  Part 2

Eternally lain on a splendid cradle, by the sound of the sea and the light of the deep sky, thou shinest, O Brazil, garland of America, illuminated by the sun of the New World! Thy smiling, our prairies have more flowers than the most elegant land abroad, “Our meadows have more life”, “our life” in thy bosom “more love”. (*) O beloved, idolized homeland, Hail, hail! Brazil, let the star-spangled banner thou showest forth be the symbol of eternal love, and let the laurel-green of thy pennant proclaim ‘Peace in the future and glory in the past.’ But if thou raisest the strong gavel of Justice, thou wilt see that a son of thine flees not from battle, nor does he who loves thee fear death itself. Beloved Land, amongst a thousand others art thou, Brazil, O beloved homeland! To the sons of this land thou art a gentle mother, beloved homeland, Brazil!

 

 

not bad.. i like the "thou art" things stiil better the australia (now seems like i'm an australia's fan or something well is not a bad place anyway )

not bad.. i like the "thou art" things stiil better the australia (now seems like i'm an australia's fan or something well is not a bad place anyway )

Archaic language is beautiful to listen to.

My reaction to the lyrics. I was listening to my favorite national anthems(apart from japans), but was taken aback by how violent they really were D: 

 

Not meant to be disrespectful. Just my reaction to the various odd lyrical choices. Or at least the only seem odd to me because my country's anthem doesn't talk about blood or fighting at all. So when I heard these parts of the themes I was surprised. Maybe because It went over my head when I listened to them when I was younger.

 

 

Me: Awesome! Wait....bombs? Rockets? D: 

 

Made me think of this at 0:25

 

 

France

 

Epic!

 

Then at: 1:05

 

Damn, France.....

 

What's your reaction/opinion of these parts of the lyrics? 

 

Oh come on, that IS disrespectful.

You have to tak into account these anthems are OLD and you have to look at them within their historical context.

 

America's anthem is based on a text that was authored during the war of 1812.

 

Basically it describes the joy Americans felt when they saw that their flag (star spangled banner) was still waving after an important fort was under attack. 

 

Hence, it was waiving despite rockets and bombs attacking the, then young, nation.

 

 

You see, it has nothing to do with the US bombarding other nations!

I'm not going into detail here but please, do consider that there is more to the origins of these anthems than meets the eye.

 

I don't know which country you are from, but please be respectful toward other nations. 

Don't get me wrong, I do not at all approve of some US interventions lately but the nation's birth truly is an avant-garde example of freedom and enlightenment that resulted in many European nation copying them (for the good).

 

Take this from a US history honors student.

It took me so long to type this, I missed you are from Australia. 

Sorry about that. 

How very interesting...but, I think this represents America just fine:

[YouTube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da5xCkAjc3o[/YouTube]

 

Opinions?

Oh COME ON!

 

The world nowadays is more like that than just America.

Ever heard of globalization?

 

Anyway, I think a CLASSIC anthem is great, because most people and companies in modern times tend to get rid of the old and replace it with new. I think it's GREAT they do not replace the anthem or the constitution with creations that seem more appropriate for modern times. 

 

That's what history is there for:

EDUCATE people where they came from, how things led up to where we/ state of affairs are now and also WHY and HOW things worked back then.

 

If we replaced all OLD things, we would be lost!

Also, I do not see anything wrong with offensive media, as long as it is handled in the right context and does not offend anyone personally or infringe freedom.

Oh come on, that IS disrespectful.

You have to tak into account these anthems are OLD and you have to look at them within their historical context.

 

America's anthem is based on a text that was authored during the war of 1812.

 

Basically it describes the joy Americans felt when they saw that their flag (star spangled banner) was still waving after an important fort was under attack. 

 

Hence, it was waiving despite rockets and bombs attacking the, then young, nation.

 

 

You see, it has nothing to do with the US bombarding other nations!

I'm not going into detail here but please, do consider that there is more to the origins of these anthems than meets the eye.

 

I don't know which country you are from, but please be respectful toward other nations. 

Don't get me wrong, I do not at all approve of some US interventions lately but the nation's birth truly is an avant-garde example of freedom and enlightenment that resulted in many European nation copying them (for the good).

 

Take this from a US history honors student.

It took me so long to type this, I missed you are from Australia. 

Sorry about that. 

Oh COME ON!

 

The world nowadays is more like that than just America.

Ever heard of globalization?

 

Anyway, I think a CLASSIC anthem is great, because most people and companies in modern times tend to get rid of the old and replace it with new. I think it's GREAT they do not replace the anthem or the constitution with creations that seem more appropriate for modern times. 

 

That's what history is there for:

EDUCATE people where they came from, how things led up to where we/ state of affairs are now and also WHY and HOW things worked back then.

 

If we replaced all OLD things, we would be lost!

Also, I do not see anything wrong with offensive media, as long as it is handled in the right context and does not offend anyone personally or infringe freedom.

*Sigh* Have you checked the Section we are in? The Random Section? And, have you ever heard of a joke?! I said that because the game the theme was in was kinda hammering in the fact that America is like that. I am perfectly aware the rest of the world is very controlling of it's people, but I wasn't intending for a discussion on this, I was just hoping to make people chuckle or even laugh.

 

It's strange, all of the weird and random stuff is everywhere else and the serious crap is in the Random Section...something is wrong here...

Mr. MarkXIIII is historically offended.

Oh come on, that IS disrespectful.

You have to tak into account these anthems are OLD and you have to look at them within their historical context.

 

America's anthem is based on a text that was authored during the war of 1812.

 

Basically it describes the joy Americans felt when they saw that their flag (star spangled banner) was still waving after an important fort was under attack. 

 

Hence, it was waiving despite rockets and bombs attacking the, then young, nation.

 

 

You see, it has nothing to do with the US bombarding other nations!

I'm not going into detail here but please, do consider that there is more to the origins of these anthems than meets the eye.

 

I don't know which country you are from, but please be respectful toward other nations. 

Don't get me wrong, I do not at all approve of some US interventions lately but the nation's birth truly is an avant-garde example of freedom and enlightenment that resulted in many European nation copying them (for the good).

 

Take this from a US history honors student.

It took me so long to type this, I missed you are from Australia. 

Sorry about that. 

Eh? I do respect other nations. Very, very much so. I just though the lyrics were a bit violent. I'm not the only that thinks that, a couple of schools in america banned the national anthem because they though it was too violent for kids to be singing.

 

But it does make sense in the context of the history. I'm sorry.

 

Many people do think the french anthem is violent, also. Yes they're old, I knew that from the get-go, but this is the 21st century, alot people don't want to hear about murder in a song that's supposed to invoke good feelings. But that's just my opinion. 

 

I'm still a kid, so of course I'm going to make mistakes with this sort of thing. I didn't mean to offend anyone

*Sigh* Have you checked the Section we are in? The Random Section? And, have you ever heard of a joke?! I said that because the game the theme was in was kinda hammering in the fact that America is like that. I am perfectly aware the rest of the world is very controlling of it's people, but I wasn't intending for a discussion on this, I was just hoping to make people chuckle or even laugh.

 

It's strange, all of the weird and random stuff is everywhere else and the serious crap is in the Random Section...something is wrong here...

^This also. I wasn't being serious with the fck yeah song, it's just that it seems to remind people of crap like call of duty

 

@superior yeah, its all opposite o-o

Edited October 6, 201411 yr by KittensOnFire

There's been some BAD handling of old-time media by contemplate companies,

like Disney shutting down their 2D department,

or their pretending Song of the South never happened.

Or them trying to get rid of classic fairy tale stories (Frozen, Maleficent)

 

It's OK to have media that is offensive because it FEATURES the "slave" the "weak woman" or the "naive prince" because that;s how people thought back in times these tropes result in.

 

While it's important to draw a line that says EQUALITY AND FREEDOM are important - slavery IS wrong! These are UNIVERSAL truths but people BACK THEN didn't think so. 

 

So there's nothing wrong with portraying people who thought like that back in their original contexts. It does not contradict the fact that certain things were wrong and redefined in history's course.

 

Like there's nothing wrong with portraying a world where the people thought the Earth was a disc. People didn't always know it's a sphere.

we KNOW it is now, but back then they didn't. So why should we restrict our media to display ANY views that convey that as long as it is within the right CONTEXT!

 

See where I'm getting at?

Mr. MarkXIIII is historically offended.

 

No, I'm not offended. 

 

I just wanted to point out that it IS important to know where things come from before I complain. 

Even if it is a joke. 

Because It helps to understand the backgrounds and reasons of people back then.

History Channel.

*Sigh* Have you checked the Section we are in? The Random Section? And, have you ever heard of a joke?! I said that because the game the theme was in was kinda hammering in the fact that America is like that. I am perfectly aware the rest of the world is very controlling of it's people, but I wasn't intending for a discussion on this, I was just hoping to make people chuckle or even laugh.

 

It's strange, all of the weird and random stuff is everywhere else and the serious crap is in the Random Section...something is wrong here...

And I'm terribly sorry if I offended you with that.

 

It is just very important to me to point out that the historical backgrounds do matter.

 

I have no problem with jokes or the like on these topics, but especially in humorous topics,

these things MUST be handled with care.

It is MOST important to understand the historical backgrounds and contexts before even just joking about it because these things - ignorance of history - have led up to major hustle and mayhem in the 20th century! 

And I'm NOT saying this discussion is of ANY importance to world history or political developments but I just want to raise awareness that there is more to most things and some answers are hidden in the history of these texts.

Eh? I do respect other nations. Very, very much so. I just though the lyrics were a bit violent. I'm not the only that thinks that, a couple of schools in america banned the national anthem because they though it was too violent for kids to be singing.

 

But it does make sense in the context of the history. I'm sorry.

 

Many people do think the french anthem is violent, also. Yes they're old, I knew that from the get-go, but this is the 21st century, alot people don't want to hear about murder in a song that's supposed to invoke good feelings. But that's just my opinion. 

 

I'm still a kid, so of course I'm going to make mistakes with this sort of thing. I didn't mean to offend anyone

 

 

Sorry if it came across that way.

I did not mean to offend you and I did not mean to say you offended nations. 

I was just saying that generally people (not just you) think that the US anthem has pointless violence in it but the history of the anthem (and the flag) do explain where this comes from.

 

I DO agree that some of our methods, like having kids do the pledge of allegiance every morning, our plain indoctrinating and I totally agree that the anthem is too violent for some kids - why? because they are too small to understand the complicated outcomes of the war of 1812, and some historical topics in general.

 

Sorry, I repeat that I did not mean to blame you for anything. I just get very upset with this image people have of the US as a stupid, fat ignorant nation that recklessly invades other countries and territories. 

And while this is even TRUE to a certain extend, and really bad things happened in the past of this nation (Indian removals, slavery, annexations, wars, espionage etc.) the Nation is truly based on a concept of FREEDOM and PEACE, the opposites of what people think.

If you read the founding documents, you'd be surprised by how tolerant and proactive the founding fathers were back then.

 

History is a HUGE subject and I'm still a kid myself and cannot understand all of history, so I apologize for my own mistakes.

 

 

For the 21st century: Yes, I do think it is important to spread good cheer. But here in the States we have zillions of songs doing just that [America the Beautiful, God Bless America etc] so I think it's important to KEEP those original songs in honor of the people back then.

We can't just get rid of the constitution just because it is not written like people nowadays would, you see?

The danger of people not knowing where they came from, and people not knowing their rights leads in others suppressing them. That's what happened in World War II. So I do believe that upholding connections to certain things is mandatory.

[Here, the founding documents are as crucial to the country as the Bible]

 

So sorry again for my heady tirade but I do believe history matters.

 

And my sincerest apologies for offending you, I hope we can become friends nonetheless.

History Channel.

 

That's not a bad thing, I guess?! Haha

Sorry dude, didn't mean to be like that. Just spreading some US history.

Sorry if it came across that way.

I did not mean to offend you and I did not mean to say you offended nations. 

I was just saying that generally people (not just you) think that the US anthem has pointless violence in it but the history of the anthem (and the flag) do explain where this comes from.

 

I DO agree that some of our methods, like having kids do the pledge of allegiance every morning, our plain indoctrinating and I totally agree that the anthem is too violent for some kids - why? because they are too small to understand the complicated outcomes of the war of 1812, and some historical topics in general.

 

Sorry, I repeat that I did not mean to blame you for anything. I just get very upset with this image people have of the US as a stupid, fat ignorant nation that recklessly invades other countries and territories. 

And while this is even TRUE to a certain extend, and really bad things happened in the past of this nation (Indian removals, slavery, annexations, wars, espionage etc.) the Nation is truly based on a concept of FREEDOM and PEACE, the opposites of what people think.

If you read the founding documents, you'd be surprised by how tolerant and proactive the founding fathers were back then.

 

History is a HUGE subject and I'm still a kid myself and cannot understand all of history, so I apologize for my own mistakes.

 

 

For the 21st century: Yes, I do think it is important to spread good cheer. But here in the States we have zillions of songs doing just that [America the Beautiful, God Bless America etc] so I think it's important to KEEP those original songs in honor of the people back then.

We can't just get rid of the constitution just because it is not written like people nowadays would, you see?

The danger of people not knowing where they came from, and people not knowing their rights leads in others suppressing them. That's what happened in World War II. So I do believe that upholding connections to certain things is mandatory.

[Here, the founding documents are as crucial to the country as the Bible]

 

So sorry again for my heady tirade but I do believe history matters.

 

And my sincerest apologies for offending you, I hope we can become friends nonetheless.

 

well evey country have they up and down.... nothing is perfect!

about the kids, i think, is even not only 'cause on the history but if they ask "what's a bomb?" you can't tell them exactly what is....

about the "image of americans" is not like everybody... everywhere there's stupid dudes and smart dudes.

what i said before is there's more history in a country that war and other hard/violent things... they could have use them instand of that

that what i think, of course everyone have differet opinion and i like exchange ideas without goes like "i have right, you're wrong" so if i do say something inopportune feel free to tell me about

well evey country have they up and down.... nothing is perfect!

about the kids, i think, is even not only 'cause on the history but if they ask "what's a bomb?" you can't tell them exactly what is....

about the "image of americans" is not like everybody... everywhere there's stupid dudes and smart dudes.

what i said before is there's more history in a country that war and other hard/violent things... they could have use them instand of that

that what i think, of course everyone have differet opinion and i like exchange ideas without goes like "i have right, you're wrong" so if i do say something inopportune feel free to tell me about

 

Oh no you're perfectly right! I agree.

For the anthem, it's just one of these things that just happened to be chosen back then and it doesn't really need to be changed.

Austria for example had this huge controversy because they changed their Anthem.

this anthem praised the country's great sons (as in people but they just used sons as a common plural for all people) but then they changed it to include daughters as well. This is just stupid to me because it was meant in the sense of 'children' back then.

 

So they had this recent controversy because some people would not sing the new version, no one knows the lyrics anymore and the government made the new version mandatory. You see, the people who came up with the original version are dishonored by the new one because they didn't mean to be offensive towards women but it was just not common to genderize things back then and sons meant 'everyone who did great things'.

That's just stupid to change that. They had better look at the historical context there.

 

I dunno if that's true, though, got that from history class.

Oh no you're perfectly right! I agree.

For the anthem, it's just one of these things that just happened to be chosen back then and it doesn't really need to be changed.

Austria for example had this huge controversy because they changed their Anthem.

this anthem praised the country's great sons (as in people but they just used sons as a common plural for all people) but then they changed it to include daughters as well. This is just stupid to me because it was meant in the sense of 'children' back then.

 

So they had this recent controversy because some people would not sing the new version, no one knows the lyrics anymore and the government made the new version mandatory. You see, the people who came up with the original version are dishonored by the new one because they didn't mean to be offensive towards women but it was just not common to genderize things back then and sons meant 'everyone who did great things'.

That's just stupid to change that. They had better look at the historical context there.

 

I dunno if that's true, though, got that from history class.

 

gosh so many trouble... an your talking with a dude with 40/100 in history LOL

but yeah i do think it could be good do some change in it.... but is true that change it after 200 years or so is not something of no metter