It should be pretty obvious to anybody that Xemnas doesn't wield a keyblade. But do you guys remember this old interview:

 

http://forums.khinsider.com/birth-sleep/147009-bbs-ultimania-plot-mysteries-nomura-interview.html

 

Specifically this quote:

 

-- Roxas, the "Sora + Ventus" Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast Xemnas, the "Terra + Master Xehanort" Nobody, wasn't able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

Nomura: I'd rather that point remain a mystery. It's possible that he intentionally wasn't using one.

 

So there's a pretty simple reason why Xemnas would choose to not use his keyblade

 

Because summoning a keyblade would show whose heart was dominant

 

And if Terra's heart was the dominant one, and it seems to be, considering his actions, using his keyblade would tip Xigbar-Xehanort and Saix-Xehanort.

 

eh?

EH?

Edited November 26, 201410 yr by hatok

Xemnas isn't in BBS though

But Xemnas is Xehanort and it's implied that Apprentice Xehanort never even lost his memories and was just faking. Besides, there's also the opening of 3d, which takes place just before the split. If Apprentice Xehanort uses Xehanort's Keyblade, then so does his nobody, The same way Ven used Kingdom Key instead of Wayward Wind.

Edited December 4, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

But Xemnas is Xehanort and it's implied that Apprentice Xehanort never even lost his memories and was just faking. Besides, there's also the opening of 3d, which takes place just before the split. If Apprentice Xehanort uses Xehanort's Keyblade, then so does his nobody, The same way Ven used Kingdom Key instead of Wayward Wind.

But there was also a brief moment where Braig asked if it was Terra. So it's not impossible. And it's importatn to remember that Apprentice Xehanort is NOT Xemnas. Xemnas and Ansem are both bits and pieces of Terra and Xehanort. Xemnas looks more like Terra. Ansem looks more like Xehanort.

But there was also a brief moment where Braig asked if it was Terra. So it's not impossible. And it's importatn to remember that Apprentice Xehanort is NOT Xemnas. Xemnas and Ansem are both bits and pieces of Terra and Xehanort. Xemnas looks more like Terra. Ansem looks more like Xehanort.

That's the moment that implies there was no memory loss. Given Xehanort's reaction, he clearly remembers who Terra is, ans therefore has hims memories. AP is Terra's body under MX control. Since AX is in control he is Xhehanort, therefore his Nobody is also Xehanort. He may have Terra's memories, but he is still primarily Xehanort.

That's the moment that implies there was no memory loss. Given Xehanort's reaction, he clearly remembers who Terra is, ans therefore has hims memories. AP is Terra's body under MX control. Since AX is in control he is Xhehanort, therefore his Nobody is also Xehanort. He may have Terra's memories, but he is still primarily Xehanort.

You say that like we actually know. We don't know the mechanics of how it works when someone's heart invades another person, an then the heart adn body are split apart and become separate entities. Additionally, Xemnas is defintiely not PURELY Xehanort, he calls Aqua friend and is actively searching for Ventus. There are definitely traits of both

You say that like we actually know. We don't know the mechanics of how it works when someone's heart invades another person, an then the heart adn body are split apart and become separate entities. Additionally, Xemnas is defintiely not PURELY Xehanort, he calls Aqua friend and is actively searching for Ventus. There are definitely traits of both

Xemnas could have been saying it sarcastically, it wouldn't be the first time a villain would call an enemy his "old friend" ironically. And we do know that Nomura said when Xehanort makes someone his vessel, the piece of his heart he implants in them slowly takes control until there's nothing left, so it makes sense that if he shoves his entire heart in there, liek he did with Terra, the takeover would be instantaneous. Also, it doesn't matter if he has Terra's memories, Xehanort is in control, so Xehanort's would be the Keyblade he summons.Once again, even if he has Terra's memories, Xehanort is the dominant personality inside Xemnas, we know this for a fact, just by his goal of obtaining Kingdom Hearts and turning the Org into his doppelgangers. If Terra was in control, Xemnas wouldn't be after those things. Even wanting t find Ven could be because of Xehanort wanting to use him again.

Edited December 4, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Xemnas could have been saying it sarcastically, it wouldn't be the first time a villain would call an enemy his "old friend" ironically. And we do know that Nomura said when Xehanort makes someone his vessel, the piece of his heart he implants in them slowly takes control until there's nothing left, so it makes sense that if he shoves his entire heart in there, liek he did with Terra, the takeover would be instantaneous. Also, it doesn't matter if he has Terra's memories, Xehanort is in control, so Xehanort's would be the Keyblade he summons.Once again, even if he has Terra's memories, Xehanort is the dominant personality inside Xemnas, we know this for a fact, just by his goal of obtaining Kingdom Hearts and turning the Org into his doppelgangers. If Terra was in control, Xemnas wouldn't be after those things. Even wanting t find Ven could be because of Xehanort wanting to use him again.

It doesn't make much sense in terms of sarcasm. Additionally, why keep it such a secret? What about the second voice Xigbar claims he hears coming from the chamber? And here's a problem with that whole heart thing... Xemnas doesn't have a heart. Yet. Xehanort's heart is busy being Ansem, Xemnas, if anything, has a brand new heart that grew over time. Which may or may not have been a copy of Xehanort's, though I'm more inclined to believe it was Terra's, since it was his body, or a combination of the two.

Here's the thing, Xemnas having Xehanort's keyblade isn't a reveal anymore. If they were going to reveal that Xemnas could use Xehanort's keyblade, they should have done so by now because there's no value left to that reveal, since we KNOW who Xehanort is.

 

We know this is what he says his goal is. But if he's aware of Xehanort's plan he already knows that will fail, and if that's the case, playing along would be a good way to make it SEEM like Xehanort was the dominant one, again, to fool Saix and Xigbar, and pull a reveal later

I mean, what other reason is there to keep Xemnas' keyblade a secret for so long?

It doesn't make much sense in terms of sarcasm. Additionally, why keep it such a secret? What about the second voice Xigbar claims he hears coming from the chamber? And here's a problem with that whole heart thing... Xemnas doesn't have a heart. Yet. Xehanort's heart is busy being Ansem, Xemnas, if anything, has a brand new heart that grew over time. Which may or may not have been a copy of Xehanort's, though I'm more inclined to believe it was Terra's, since it was his body, or a combination of the two.

Here's the thing, Xemnas having Xehanort's keyblade isn't a reveal anymore. If they were going to reveal that Xemnas could use Xehanort's keyblade, they should have done so by now because there's no value left to that reveal, since we KNOW who Xehanort is.

 

We know this is what he says his goal is. But if he's aware of Xehanort's plan he already knows that will fail, and if that's the case, playing along would be a good way to make it SEEM like Xehanort was the dominant one, again, to fool Saix and Xigbar, and pull a reveal later

I mean, what other reason is there to keep Xemnas' keyblade a secret for so long?

I think Nomura pretty much figured we'd use Roxas as a base. If Roxas, Sora's Nobody uses Sora's Keyblade, then it make sense that Xemnas, being Xehanort's Nobody, would use Xehanort's Keyblade. And how does the sarcasm it not make sense? True sarcasm isn't obvious. 

And he may want each of the Org members to use a different Keychain, so that would be the reason no to show Xemnas' in 3D. Either he hasn't made the designs yet which is the most likely0 or he wants them all to be revealed in KH III.

Edited December 4, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

I think Nomura pretty much figured we'd use Roxas as a base. If Roxas, Sora's Nobody uses Sora's Keyblade, then it make sense that Xemnas, being Xehanort's Nobody, would use Xehanort's Keyblade. 

And he may want each of the Org members to use a different Keychain, so that would be the reason no to show Xemnas' in 3D. Either he hasn't made the designs yet which is the most likely0 or he wants them all to be revealed in KH III.

The Roxas situation is pretty unique. Sora had the heart of three keyblade wielders in his heart. He uses Kingdom Key and Ventus' keyblade, both of those are very different situations. What's more, Roxas and Sora both used Kingdom Key at the same time for a brief while Chain of Memories)

Logically Roxas should have been able to use Kairi's keyblade as well. So there's clearly more to it than simply being someone's Nobody.

But Roxas isn't really comparable, in that case we had him manifest as Ventus' body, Xemnas is clearly Terra's body, the fact that he had Xehanort's heart in him may have had an impact, but Xehanort's heart left Xemnas to form Ansem. That just leaves memories and Terra's body, unlike Roxas there were no hearts left over with Xemnas (that we know of)

 

The thirteen darknesses don't all need keyblades. Creating Kingdom Hearts is just about hearts of pure light and darkness clashing. Remember that if Sora and company don't fight Xehanort, they'll simply gather and attack the Princesses of Heart, which will also count as a clash between 13 hearts of darkness and 7 hearts of light. Keyblades are optional

The Roxas situation is pretty unique. Sora had the heart of three keyblade wielders in his heart. He uses Kingdom Key and Ventus' keyblade, both of those are very different situations. What's more, Roxas and Sora both used Kingdom Key at the same time for a brief while Chain of Memories)

Logically Roxas should have been able to use Kairi's keyblade as well. So there's clearly more to it than simply being someone's Nobody.

But Roxas isn't really comparable, in that case we had him manifest as Ventus' body, Xemnas is clearly Terra's body, the fact that he had Xehanort's heart in him may have had an impact, but Xehanort's heart left Xemnas to form Ansem. That just leaves memories and Terra's body, unlike Roxas there were no hearts left over with Xemnas (that we know of)

 

The thirteen darknesses don't all need keyblades. Creating Kingdom Hearts is just about hearts of pure light and darkness clashing. Remember that if Sora and company don't fight Xehanort, they'll simply gather and attack the Princesses of Heart, which will also count as a clash between 13 hearts of darkness and 7 hearts of light. Keyblades are optional

Terra is also implied to have had 3 hearts, his, Xehanort's and Eraqus'.

Tere are many reasinse Roxas can't use Kairi's Keyblade1. Kairi had her heart back, Just liek Roxas and Sora won't be able to use Ven's one he gets back his.2. Kari had ntot summoned her Keyblde before Roxas and Namine where created3 Roxas is stated to be Sora and Ven's nobody, Kairi is not included in his makeup.Also, it's actually implied that Ansem (SoD) has Terra's heart because he (or his guardian) reminds Riku of Terra, a feeling he doesn't get from Xehanort. Then there's Micky sayign that being around Xemanas, and being around Xehanort (the apprentice at least) feels like beign around the same guy, this strongly implies Xehanort is dominant inside Xemnas as he was in AX.Of course they're all going to have Keyblades, they're all Xehanort and Xehanort wants another Keyblade War. And if Xemnas doesn't use a Keyblade in KH III, then your point is moot anyway because we'll never see him use one. He's not coming back after KH 3, no Xehanort is.

Edited December 4, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Terra is also implied to have had 3 hearts, his, Xehanort's and Eraqus'.

Tere are many reasinse Roxas can't use Kairi's Keyblade1. Kairi had her heart back, Just liek Roxas and Sora won't be able to use Ven's one he gets back his.2. Kari had ntot summoned her Keyblde before Roxas and Namine where created3 Roxas is stated to be Sora and Ven's nobody, Kairi is not included in his makeup.Also, it's actually implied that Ansem (SoD) has Terra's heart because he (or his guardian) reminds Riku of Terra, a feeling he doesn't get from Xehanort. Then there's Micky sayign that being around Xemanas, and being around Xehanort (the apprentice at least) feels like beign around the same guy, this strongly implies Xehanort is dominant inside Xemnas as he was in AX.Of course they're all going to have Keyblades, they're all Xehanort and Xehanort wants another Keyblade War. And if Xemnas doesn't use a Keyblade in KH III, then your point is moot anyway because we'll never see him use one. He's not coming back after KH 3, no Xehanort is.

We really have no idea what Eraqus did

 

1. Kairi had her heart back? So did Sora

2. Is that a requirement? It's never stated

3. So if anything that jsut adds to the weirdness. Roxas is the combined body of Sora and Ventus, and the memories and personality of neither, which makes him even less like Xemnas

 

There are a couple theories besides Ansem being Terra's heart. such as Ansem taking a liking to Riku being something to do with whatever Eraqus did (slowly bringing out elements of Terra in Ansem) the theory I personally like is that Guardian is Terra's heartless. That would account for where Terra's heart actually is, since logically when he became a Nobody his heart should have formed a Heartless the same way Ansem did (Kairi and Ventus didn't on account of their having no darkness in their hearts)

 

And again with the strong implications. If the intent was for this to be a reveal, the characters talking about how Xemnas seemed like Terra would kinda remove the punch

 

Xehanort wants a keyblade war, but that's what Kingdom Hearts is for. The thirteen darknesses don't need keyblades, they just need to create Kingdom Hearts si it attracts keyblade wielders

We really have no idea what Eraqus did

 

1. Kairi had her heart back? So did Sora

2. Is that a requirement? It's never stated

3. So if anything that jsut adds to the weirdness. Roxas is the combined body of Sora and Ventus, and the memories and personality of neither, which makes him even less like Xemnas

 

There are a couple theories besides Ansem being Terra's heart. such as Ansem taking a liking to Riku being something to do with whatever Eraqus did (slowly bringing out elements of Terra in Ansem) the theory I personally like is that Guardian is Terra's heartless. That would account for where Terra's heart actually is, since logically when he became a Nobody his heart should have formed a Heartless the same way Ansem did (Kairi and Ventus didn't on account of their having no darkness in their hearts)

 

And again with the strong implications. If the intent was for this to be a reveal, the characters talking about how Xemnas seemed like Terra would kinda remove the punch

 

Xehanort wants a keyblade war, but that's what Kingdom Hearts is for. The thirteen darknesses don't need keyblades, they just need to create Kingdom Hearts si it attracts keyblade wielders

1. Yes but a person heart is always captured by their Heartless. only forein hearts need to be present to multi wield2. I believe it falls under "memory of having wielded a Keyblade even though Ven was a sleep, and Roxas didn't have Sora's memories, his body remembered what it felt like to hold one, this would Mean Namine did as well, but as you said, Sora's heart was in his own possession.3. Roxas didn't have either of their memories because Ven's heart was asleep and Sora's only spend moments as as heartless, the memories didn't have time to leak out. Terra is awake but surpressed and Xehanort had been a heartless for years.I'm talking about how Riku fells about Ansem, not the other way around. And the theory of Ansem's Guardian being Terra's heartless completely negates the theory of Terra's heart being in control of Xehanort. It can't be both places.

 

Yes again with the strong implications.There there for a reason. you can't ignore them to fit your theory, a theory has to be built around them. Otherwise it's not a theory at all, just nonsense. As I said, it could be that Nomura want to have each org member use a different keychain, or at least have Xemnas use a keychain that we haven't sen before. Keyblade transformation is going to be a huge part of the gameplay, so it make sense for each member to attach a different Keychain to Xehanort's Keybalde (which they'll all have access to) so they can each use a different transformation.And how many Keyblade wielders are there left? Seems like by the time of KH 1, Sora was the only one left. Heck even in BBS it's possible that the only wielders where Terra, Ven, Aqua Xehanort, Vanitas and Mickey. There may have been more then, but they could have retired by KH 1 like Yen Sid.

 

 

 

I'm going to put this matter to rest for now, We'll find out when KH III comes around.

Edited December 4, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

hmmmm well its either that nobodys cant wield the keyblade because of a lack of a heart, or simply xemnas doesnt want to wield it and use it for battle, even though they grow up hearts over time 

hmmmm well its either that nobodys cant wield the keyblade because of a lack of a heart, or simply xemnas doesnt want to wield it and use it for battle, even though they grow up hearts over time 

Nobodies don't lack hearts though, and even then, that interview is a pretty clear indication that Xemnas CAN use a keyblade

If it weren't for the fact that the end of BbS clearly makes it obvious the Xehanort is the one in control.

 

Blank Points shows them deadlocked (not to mention Eraqus supporting Terra offscreen).

 

That's the moment that implies there was no memory loss. Given Xehanort's reaction, he clearly remembers who Terra is, ans therefore has hims memories. AP is Terra's body under MX control. Since AX is in control he is Xhehanort, therefore his Nobody is also Xehanort. He may have Terra's memories, but he is still primarily Xehanort.

 

AX's reaction is clearly him wondering just WTF Braig's talking about. Also, AX's eyes are brown there, whereas DDD says full MX control = Sith Lord eyes.

Blank Points shows them deadlocked (not to mention Eraqus supporting Terra offscreen).

 

 

AX's reaction is clearly him wondering just WTF Braig's talking about. Also, AX's eyes are brown there, whereas DDD says full MX control = Sith Lord eyes.

Y'know, I never understood the brown eyes, Terra's eyes are blue, Xehanort's are yellow, and Eraqus' are black, HTH did Apprentice Xehanort end up with brown?But I'll concede that point. That just strengthens the case i was trying to make to hatok, that if Xemans can use a Keyblade, It's Master Xehanort's, not Terra's. The yellow eyes show his personality is in control.

Edited December 6, 201410 yr by Isamu_Kuno

Terra's eyes are blue, Xehanort's are yellow, and Eraqus' are black, HTH did Apprentice Xehanort end up with brown?

 

Maybe it's Fridge Brilliance on AX being a hybrid?

 

Either that, or Nomura just ran out of eye colors.