Well since we've got the Xehanort's keyblade ability revealed,so to see the future,i think it's clear why Vanitas looks like Sora.
So in kh bbs ventus shared his heart with a early born Sora to make him whole again,then Xehanort extract the dark side of Ventus that means the Sora's side of Ventus and the reason is simply because the eye made him look like future Sora because Vanitas is Sora,the keyblade took future Sora appereance for vanitas because it has seen the future version of the other part of Ventus's heart (Sora/Vanitas).What do you think?

Hmm... I think you might be onto something!

Nnnnnnno, Nomura explained this a long time ago in an interview back when Birth by Sleep came out. Vanitas only looks like Sora because Ventus connected his heart with Sora's. Vanitas was still connected to Ven in some way, so if Ven had connected his heart with anyone else, like say Riku for example, Vanitas' face would have resembled them as well. It has nothing to do with any future-vision Keyblades or Xehanort time travel or any convoluted stuff like that. Just pure simple "the heart shapes the body" type stuff.

Edited March 13, 20178 yr by Hero of Light XIV

Nnnnnnno, Nomura explained this a long time ago in an interview back when Birth by Sleep came out. Vanitas only looks like Sora because Ventus connected his heart with Sora's. Vanitas was still connected to Ven in some way, so if Ven had connected his heart with anyone else, like say Riku for example, Vanitas' face would have resembled them as well. It has nothing to do with any futuer-vision Keyblades or Xehanort time travel or any convoluted stuff like that. Just pure simple "the heart shapes the body" type stuff.

Damn. You got a point there.

Well since we've got the Xehanort's keyblade ability revealed,so to see the future,i think it's clear why Vanitas looks like Sora.

So in kh bbs ventus shared his heart with a early born Sora to make him whole again,then Xehanort extract the dark side of Ventus that means the Sora's side of Ventus and the reason is simply because the eye made him look like future Sora because Vanitas is Sora,the keyblade took future Sora appereance for vanitas because it has seen the future version of the other part of Ventus's heart (Sora/Vanitas).What do you think?

 

Nope, Nomura already said why this is a thing a long time ago.

Nnnnnnno, Nomura explained this a long time ago in an interview back when Birth by Sleep came out. Vanitas only looks like Sora because Ventus connected his heart with Sora's. Vanitas was still connected to Ven in some way, so if Ven had connected his heart with anyone else, like say Riku for example, Vanitas' face would have resembled them as well. It has nothing to do with any future-vision Keyblades or Xehanort time travel or any convoluted stuff like that. Just pure simple "the heart shapes the body" type stuff.

That,and before Ven was connected to Sora,Vanitas was pretty much a faceless keyblade wielder(which is only explained in the ultimania and a short novel centered on Vanitus iirc) until Sora's heart found his way to Ven

 

But this is Nomura we're talking about and he breaks his own rules all the time so I won't be shocked if the theory mentioned in the OP would hold water until KH3 comes and prove otherwise

 

Especially with the whole "Sora failed the MoM because of his darkness" thing so they'd label Sora as "The Traitor" like what happened with a certain group 

That,and before Ven was connected to Sora,Vanitas was pretty much a faceless keyblade wielder(which is only explained in the ultimania and a short novel centered on Vanitus iirc) until Sora's heart found his way to Ven

 

But this is Nomura we're talking about and he breaks his own rules all the time so I won't be shocked if the theory mentioned in the OP would hold water until KH3 comes and prove otherwise

 

Especially with the whole "Sora failed the MoM because of his darkness" thing so they'd label Sora as "The Traitor" like what happened with a certain group 

Actually it's more of, he failed the test because he let himself become vulnerable to or nearly fell to Darkness, not necessarily because of his own Darkness, which is not a lot if his transformation into a Shadow is any indication.

Actually it's more of, he failed the test because he let himself become vulnerable to or nearly fell to Darkness, not necessarily because of his own Darkness, which is not a lot if his transformation into a Shadow is any indication.

Well unless you consider Anti-Form as part of the KH canon like other drive forms but eh

 

I just want them to do something of value with Vanitas cuz after Xehanort unveiled the "True" method of forming the X-Blade his existence in the plot seems pointless

 

Heck at least the likes of Xion served a purpose into Roxas's character arc but Vanitas seems like somethimg made specifically for BBS 

While that is a good theory, like the other members have said here, the reason Vanitas looks like Sora is because of the fact that Ventus has his heart connected to Sora, and thus Vanitas has Sora's appearance because of that connection, ya know?

Well unless you consider Anti-Form as part of the KH canon like other drive forms but eh

 

I just want them to do something of value with Vanitas cuz after Xehanort unveiled the "True" method of forming the X-Blade his existence in the plot seems pointless

 

Heck at least the likes of Xion served a purpose into Roxas's character arc but Vanitas seems like somethimg made specifically for BBS 

Oh no doubt, I'd love for them to bring him back as a Seeker of Darkness. It'd give them plenty of opportunities to further his character with interactions with the other Guardians of Light, particularly Sora, Riku, Aqua, and maybe even Roxas...mostly cause I want to see their reactions towards each other. I mean it kind of feels like that's what they were hinting at with bothering to feature him at all in DDD, even though that was Ven's heart reacting to seeing Young Xehanort. If you weren't going to tease his return, why else would you bother with a cameo like that?

 

Same goes to Riku Replica, cause logically speaking that's the only character Riku could have encountered in Prankster's Paradise (cause if it really was him from when he was controlled by Maleficent and Ansem, then YX wouldn't need to bother with trying to recruit present-Riku). So if he wasn't due to return as a Seeker, then his cameo also would have been pointless. So it makes much more sense that Vanitas and Riku Replica are going to be revealed as two of the unidentified Seekers.

Oh no doubt, I'd love for them to bring him back as a Seeker of Darkness. It'd give them plenty of opportunities to further his character with interactions with the other Guardians of Light, particularly Sora, Riku, Aqua, and maybe even Roxas...mostly cause I want to see their reactions towards each other. I mean it kind of feels like that's what they were hinting at with bothering to feature him at all in DDD, even though that was Ven's heart reacting to seeing Young Xehanort. If you weren't going to tease his return, why else would you bother with a cameo like that?

 

Same goes to Riku Replica, cause logically speaking that's the only character Riku could have encountered in Prankster's Paradise (cause if it really was him from when he was controlled by Maleficent and Ansem, then YX wouldn't need to bother with trying to recruit present-Riku). So if he wasn't due to return as a Seeker, then his cameo also would have been pointless. So it makes much more sense that Vanitas and Riku Replica are going to be revealed as two of the unidentified Seekers.

Riku-Replica shouldn't return cuz he had a character arc that got a beautiful and emotional conclusion in Chain of Memories

 

Bringing him back would devalue all of that and I don't want yet another KH moment to be ruined again by future installments for me

 

He served his purpose,let the character rest

 

Cuz unlike Vanitas,there is nothing more you can do with Riku-Replica than what's already done in Chain of Memories

 

What appeared in DDD was more or less a manifestation of Riku's darkness and guilt most likely conjured by the likes of Ansem Seeker of Darkness

Edited March 14, 20178 yr by Dio Brando

Riku-Replica shouldn't return cuz he had a character arc that got a beautiful and emotional conclusion in Chain of Memories

 

Bringing him back would devalue all of that and I don't want yet another KH moment to be ruined again by future installments for me

 

He served his purpose,let the character rest

 

Cuz unlike Vanitas,there is nothing more you can do with Riku-Replica than what's already done in Chain of Memories

 

What appeared in DDD was more or less a manifestation of Riku's darkness and guilt most likely conjured by the likes of Ansem Seeker of Darkness

But see, they already used him. It's too late. You'd just make that cameo pointless if you didn't go through with it. Plus, I don't agree with you, I think there's still more that could be done for him. If Roxas, Xion, and Namine deserve a chance to become their own people, who's to say that Riku Replica can't have that as a story arc either? Yeah he'd start off as a Seeker for the same old story, hatred for Riku, but it makes sense to do that because he would have been ripped from time before he was destroyed and given peace by Riku anyway. Maybe he doesn't necessarily have to be destroyed like any of the other Seekers, maybe he can finally learn how to find acceptance within himself towards the end and actually use his power to fight ALONGSIDE Riku rather than try to end him. He can finally be finished being the fake by letting himself be something more. In the end of CoM, all he really did was accept death, he didn't come to any resolution other than it was okay for him to fade away into Darkness, even if that means that he'll just end up where Riku will one day anyway. It's beautifully executed, but it's far from a complete fulfillment of his character and in my eyes far from a satisfactory ending.

 

No, there's plenty of room for him to have a place in KH3's story, he's still a loose end that can be tied up. He might not be in as desperate need for character advancement as Vanitas is, but it's certainly not unwelcome and there's enough there to justify it.

 

Plus, that whole "manifestation of Riku's guilt" thing? Sorry, I'm calling bull on that, Nomura never bothered to go into any detail on that, there's nothing to suggest that it was an illusion, and Pinocchio was clearly being led by someone who both he and Jiminy could clearly see as well as Riku could. If it really was supposed to be a "reminder" of Riku's dark past, it would have looked like him in his KH1 attire, or him in the guise of Ansem again, or him in his Dark Mode, something explicitly familiar and iconic apart from a different hairstyle. The image of him with that look in a black coat could only represent him in 2 ways, either him during the period where he just learned to embrace both the darkness and light in his heart, becoming better than he was before he even showed up in Castle Oblivion, or Data-Riku, who he never even got to meet anyway so there's no reason why he would ever see him in the first place.

 

There's just no other way this whole setup can work without it being the actual Riku Replica. Nomura never stated that it was an illusion, there's no in-game evidence to support that claim, Vanitas was much more explicit of an illusion (with dark aura, distorted imaging, double-voice, and everything) and yet we seem to agree he has just as good of a shot of being brought back. In fact, you could argue that he "fulfilled his purpose" the same way that Riku Replica did. You might not have been satisfied with it, but he was. So why does Vanitas get to come back and Riku Replica is left with a tragic ending when we're getting major hints that all of our other characters who's stories have ended in tragedy might get a second chance? If you want Riku Replica's tragedy intact, keep in mind that anyone taken out of time for the XIII Seekers of Darkness will still have to return to the time they came from anyway, so Riku Replica would still be going back to where he meets his end. The end of his story doesn't change, it's just the the middle part get's extended, and what better tragedy is there than having finally found peace and acceptance within yourself, without having to even be on the brink of death, finally accepting Riku as an equal, maybe even greater, and then having no choice but to return to the destiny that you could never escape and forgetting you ever had that acceptance?

 

There's plenty of room to justify his inclusion, and if it's plausible for Vanitas to come back then the same goes for Riku Replica. Plus, honestly, I also just want to see him and Vanitas team up in a two on two battle against Sora and Riku, and I'm really curious as to how their characters would interact with each other. There's such interesting possibilities here, they shouldn't be shot down just because "his ending was okay tho...".

But see, they already used him. It's too late. You'd just make that cameo pointless if you didn't go through with it. Plus, I don't agree with you, I think there's still more that could be done for him. If Roxas, Xion, and Namine deserve a chance to become their own people, who's to say that Riku Replica can't have that as a story arc either? Yeah he'd start off as a Seeker for the same old story, hatred for Riku, but it makes sense to do that because he would have been ripped from time before he was destroyed and given peace by Riku anyway. Maybe he doesn't necessarily have to be destroyed like any of the other Seekers, maybe he can finally learn how to find acceptance within himself towards the end and actually use his power to fight ALONGSIDE Riku rather than try to end him. He can finally be finished being the fake by letting himself be something more. In the end of CoM, all he really did was accept death, he didn't come to any resolution other than it was okay for him to fade away into Darkness, even if that means that he'll just end up where Riku will one day anyway. It's beautifully executed, but it's far from a complete fulfillment of his character and in my eyes far from a satisfactory ending.

 

No, there's plenty of room for him to have a place in KH3's story, he's still a loose end that can be tied up. He might not be in as desperate need for character advancement as Vanitas is, but it's certainly not unwelcome and there's enough there to justify it.

 

Plus, that whole "manifestation of Riku's guilt" thing? Sorry, I'm calling bull on that, Nomura never bothered to go into any detail on that, there's nothing to suggest that it was an illusion, and Pinocchio was clearly being led by someone who both he and Jiminy could clearly see as well as Riku could. If it really was supposed to be a "reminder" of Riku's dark past, it would have looked like him in his KH1 attire, or him in the guise of Ansem again, or him in his Dark Mode, something explicitly familiar and iconic apart from a different hairstyle. The image of him with that look in a black coat could only represent him in 2 ways, either him during the period where he just learned to embrace both the darkness and light in his heart, becoming better than he was before he even showed up in Castle Oblivion, or Data-Riku, who he never even got to meet anyway so there's no reason why he would ever see him in the first place.

 

There's just no other way this whole setup can work without it being the actual Riku Replica. Nomura never stated that it was an illusion, there's no in-game evidence to support that claim, Vanitas was much more explicit of an illusion (with dark aura, distorted imaging, double-voice, and everything) and yet we seem to agree he has just as good of a shot of being brought back. In fact, you could argue that he "fulfilled his purpose" the same way that Riku Replica did. You might not have been satisfied with it, but he was. So why does Vanitas get to come back and Riku Replica is left with a tragic ending when we're getting major hints that all of our other characters who's stories have ended in tragedy might get a second chance? If you want Riku Replica's tragedy intact, keep in mind that anyone taken out of time for the XIII Seekers of Darkness will still have to return to the time they came from anyway, so Riku Replica would still be going back to where he meets his end. The end of his story doesn't change, it's just the the middle part get's extended, and what better tragedy is there than having finally found peace and acceptance within yourself, without having to even be on the brink of death, finally accepting Riku as an equal, maybe even greater, and then having no choice but to return to the destiny that you could never escape and forgetting you ever had that acceptance?

 

There's plenty of room to justify his inclusion, and if it's plausible for Vanitas to come back then the same goes for Riku Replica. Plus, honestly, I also just want to see him and Vanitas team up in a two on two battle against Sora and Riku, and I'm really curious as to how their characters would interact with each other. There's such interesting possibilities here, they shouldn't be shot down just because "his ending was okay tho...".

Bullshit,nothing in DDD suggest that the one we saw was Riku Replica

 

Nomura as far as I know never said that the one Riku saw was Riku Replica.And much like Vanitas it can be easily an illusion caused by the Xehanorts tinkering with Sora nd Riku's hearts much like how Young Xehanort made Sora see Vanitas

 

Just because it's "another Riku" doesn't mean it's a Replica especially considering that Riku went into Sora's dreams in DDD so it's pretty easy to say that was conjured from Sora's dreams too.........you can have multiple Rikus without even one of them being referred to as Riku replica

 

If you want Riku Replica's character arc to be ruined then that's your opinion but for me I might be one of the few that aren't fine with everything Nomura does with this plot

 

What more is there to add?His hatred for Riku ended after his battle with him in Twilight Town where he accepted his fate before dying

 

If you revive him it'll be the exact same character arc twice and with Namine fusing with Kairi to become whole again there isn't any more motivation

 

few seconds of appearance doesn't justify a full revival for a character who's role in the story was over.It'll be a badly done fanservice in the same way they convoluted the plot of Organization XIII just because they can't just let go of that specific group of villains now repurposing them into Xehanort clones with the "True" Organization

Bullshit,nothing in DDD suggest that the one we saw was Riku Replica

 

Nomura as far as I know never said that the one Riku saw was Riku Replica.And much like Vanitas it can be easily an illusion caused by the Xehanorts tinkering with Sora nd Riku's hearts much like how Young Xehanort made Sora see Vanitas

 

Just because it's "another Riku" doesn't mean it's a Replica especially considering that Riku went into Sora's dreams in DDD so it's pretty easy to say that was conjured from Sora's dreams too.........you can have multiple Rikus without even one of them being referred to as Riku replica

 

If you want Riku Replica's character arc to be ruined then that's your opinion but for me I might be one of the few that aren't fine with everything Nomura does with this plot

 

What more is there to add?His hatred for Riku ended after his battle with him in Twilight Town where he accepted his fate before dying

 

If you revive him it'll be the exact same character arc twice and with Namine fusing with Kairi to become whole again there isn't any more motivation

 

few seconds of appearance doesn't justify a full revival for a character who's role in the story was over.It'll be a badly done fanservice in the same way they convoluted the plot of Organization XIII just because they can't just let go of that specific group of villains now repurposing them into Xehanort clones with the "True" Organization

Could have done without the language, but I'll let that slide.

 

Look, it's your opinion if you think there's nothing more to be done with RR, and I can at least agree that his arc was pretty solid. But that doesn't mean I don't see more potential for it, so I'm sorry if you don't share my views on this. I don't disagree with Nomura's decisions in things like this as much as you seem to, so I'd be fine with RR coming back the same way I'm fine with Org XIII being repurposed.

 

I'll say this though, the way it's presented in DDD and the fact that Nomura has not commented on it in any capacity leaves it pretty open about whether or not that was indeed RR or not. Personally, I find it much more interesting that it is RR instead of some pointless facsimile that doesn't really go anywhere, but that's just me. If Nomura doesn't end up using him for the new Org, fine, no big deal. I'd still be a bit disappointed as I can still see some interesting character interactions and story possibilities with his inclusion, but the fact that his current story was handled decently enough on it's own would act as a decent consolation.

 

Either way this is over something that hasn't even been confirmed to happen yet, so let's not keep barking over something pointless, yeah?

well my theory is not that far from the official explanation of Nomura.Only to be more precise about the xehanort keyblade power that could be involved in the process,in the end if Nomura had the idea of xehanort's keyblade power at the time he wouldn't spoiled it so easily.I just went a little more deep than just say "because they are connected".

Edited March 19, 20178 yr by Alchemike

well my theory is not that far from the official explanation of Nomura.Only to be more precise about the xehanort keyblade power that could be involved in the process,in the end if Nomura had the idea of xehanort's keyblade power at the time he wouldn't spoiled it so easily.I just went a little more deep than just say "because they are connected".

Except you have events out of order though. Xehanort split Ventus into Ventus and Vanitas way before Ven ever connected with Sora. So that whole time Vanitas was around before Sora entered the picture, he had no true face underneath that mask (the novel describes it as being kind of a featureless black void with simple red glowing eyes, similar to the Anti Black Coat Nightmare in DDD. Don't read too deep into that similarity, I was just bringing it up for a comparison/example/illustration). It wasn't until some unspecified amount of days later that Xehanort took Ventus to Destiny Islands to die peacefully, and that was when Sora's newborn heart connected with Ventus, and when Vanitas' face began to change into that of Sora's. From that point on Ven had a repaired heart of pure light (as opposed to a weakened broken one) and Vanitas had a true face that resembled Sora's. The chain of events that caused it couldn't happen until after Xehanort used his Keyblade on Ventus in the first place. Maybe the eye saw that happening but that doesn't mean it had a direct influence over Vanitas' appearance, things just happened on their own, largely without Xehanort or his Keyblade's interference. Remember, the eye only works by seeing stuff as it happens, not knowing it already and making it so, it can only observe and pass that on to the Master of Masters. So his Keyblade had nothing to do with why Vanitas has a face at all, it's because of Sora's heart alone and that's it.

Edited March 19, 20178 yr by Hero of Light XIV