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I think Vanitas understands that he is darkness; he just doesn’t entirely grasp what it means to be darkness.

but xehanort doesnt have a true darkness in him right?

No, but he does align and use Darkness for a long time without getting corrupted which raises questions as to the strength of/make up of his Heart.

I actually kinda like that it's left ambiguous if Xehanort controled darkness or if vice versa- there's evidence for both

Maybe control is the wrong word, but, like influence/tainted him further, I mean.

he could resembles like the foretellers. they got darkness in them but not entirely been controlled by it. but their personalities is toward negative actions

and i would like to see the fortellers dark side resembling the seven deadly sins

what about baldr? the darkness in him? is it a new new mid level darkness or is it somehow realted to the real darkness?

I’m leaning towards the former. Ansem SOD could be argued to have simply been behaving like a super intelligent Heartless. He was hunting darkness just like a Shadow, but doing so in a much more elaborate manner.

Good points

OH J CAN ANSWER THIS!!!

So Hoder’s death is an accident, Helgi, Heimdall, and Sigrun were killed by Baldr while he was possessed, and everyone else is 100% on purpose.

J?

jasmine?

I type fast.

Old Nort may have controlled Darkness but he was still corrupted and twisted by it. His actions make that clear regardless of his end goal.

Ansem SOD is literally a Heartless with a genius intellect and a warped world view. Nearly everything he did was out of genuine scientific curiosity according to TV Tropes at least.

Why are you relying on TV Tropes 😭

Comb through silent playthroughs like the rest of us (joking).

The KH TV Tropes needs some updating but they're picky. I've tried to clean it up a few times but it's a lot of work.

Which is why I don't do it.

Also bc I'm lazy.

It basically says that Ansem SOD is depicted in 3 more like his KH 1 depiction which i agree with. He started out as a guy who while warped and amoral yet did everything he did out of legit curiosity while after that he basically just got obsessed with making riku give into darkness and be his vessel.

Like in 3 he's basically depressed from knowing his actions will mean nothing and he's just a pawn and has basically just accepted his fate even though he could have actually switched sides in 3 but chose to stick with the path he found himself on

and he can't make use of his epiphany cos its just gonna be removed from his memory in the end

So. He's upset about facing the consequences of his actions?

yah he came realized all he did was pointless

like he takes no action to stop the kids from taking Ansem the wise for one. he just stopped caring

even though he could have used his epiphany and actively helped the GOL stop Old nort

even if he's doomed to go back to his time and die with no memories

but didn't

though i suppose not doing anything to stop hayner an co did help

even if he didn't intend it to actively

https://tenor.com/view/kingdomhearts-kingdomheartsiii-hayner-guardian-terra-gif-13626256836167712899

ok after that

like he really could have stopped the nobodies etc

Yeeter the Hayner.

like he admits as much he ultimately didn't care

like among them YX and vanitas are the ones who have no kind of epiphany or moment of reflection

vanitas wholly accepts he's darkness and unrepentent

and young nort is a dick to the end

I want to poke YMX with a stick.