I just found some spoilers in KH 1 and KH 2. I realized that when Sora stabbed himself to give Kairi back her heart. I saw the 7 hearts. But there were 2 more which was 8 all together. And in all the video's and games I have seen. Sora released Ventus which made Roxas. And when that happened, Ventus forgot all of his past from being within Sora for so long. And just like in 365/2 days. Ansem gave Ventus a new name which was Roxas. But also. When Sora turned into a heartless. I think that relesed Vanitas. But I also have a second statement. When Sora and Riku went into the dark realm I think that Vanitas was in there too. And I think Vanitas saw Sora and Riku, and so when the door to light appeared, Vanitas followed them into the light. If not. He's still inside the dark realm. But I do think he will come back.

No, Ven and Roxas are two different people. Roxas is Sora's Nobody with Ven's appearance and Heart. Ven is still in Castle Oblivion. The 8 hearts you saw where the princesses of heart, and Sora. Sora's heart turned into a Heartless and his body, with Ven's heart still inside it, turned into Roxas.

 

Also, Vanitas was destroyed by Ventus inside his heart during the final battle of Ven's story in BBS, damaging his heart again, which is why it went to Sora.

Roxas and Ven aren't the same. As well as Vanitas and Sora aren't either.

 

Roxas is Sora's nobody and has Ven's appearence because Sora has Ven's heart within his own heart.

Vanitas is the darkness from Ven's heart and he has Sora's appearence because Ven's heart was completed (healed) by Sora's heart.

I just found some spoilers in KH 1 and KH 2. I realized that when Sora stabbed himself to give Kairi back her heart. I saw the 7 hearts. But there were 2 more which was 8 all together. And in all the video's and games I have seen. Sora released Ventus which made Roxas. And when that happened, Ventus forgot all of his past from being within Sora for so long. And just like in 365/2 days. Ansem gave Ventus a new name which was Roxas. But also. When Sora turned into a heartless. I think that relesed Vanitas. But I also have a second statement. When Sora and Riku went into the dark realm I think that Vanitas was in there too. And I think Vanitas saw Sora and Riku, and so when the door to light appeared, Vanitas followed them into the light. If not. He's still inside the dark realm. But I do think he will come back.

 

finally someone else gets it lol though i'm not sure about vanitas coming. but i agree 100% about roxas being ven with no memories. I was trying to say that in another post/poll a while ago.

What Azure said since I would have said that.

I just found some spoilers in KH 1 and KH 2. I realized that when Sora stabbed himself to give Kairi back her heart. I saw the 7 hearts. But there were 2 more which was 8 all together. And in all the video's and games I have seen. Sora released Ventus which made Roxas. And when that happened, Ventus forgot all of his past from being within Sora for so long. And just like in 365/2 days. Ansem gave Ventus a new name which was Roxas. But also. When Sora turned into a heartless. I think that relesed Vanitas. But I also have a second statement. When Sora and Riku went into the dark realm I think that Vanitas was in there too. And I think Vanitas saw Sora and Riku, and so when the door to light appeared, Vanitas followed them into the light. If not. He's still inside the dark realm. But I do think he will come back.

 

Support your claims by providing facts.

 

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I can think Namine had the hotts for Riku but that doesnt make it so.

It doesn't make it... not so, either. Hell, this person could be completely right and we just don't know it yet. No, there's no proof. Just like there was no proof MX took over Terra's body but WOOPS, called that. *rolls eyes*

 

It's too up in the air to solidly agree or disagree. I think Vanitas is coming back because he was a vital part of Ventus to begin with. If Ventus is restored to be with a restored Terra and Aqua, he can't have Vanitas inside him, or else he'd be back in a state of memory loss. He just wouldn't be the same person if he had to be himself and Vanitas in one body.

 

I'd personally like to blame Vanitas for the inbalance in Sora that allowed the anti drive form to appear.

 

As for Kairi restoring Sora's heart... if Sora held Ven and Kairi's hearts... we have one of two issues: One, Ven's heart WAS released but could NOT have been returned when Kairi restored Sora because no one even knew about Ven. Or, Two: Ven's heart WAS NOT released because he no longer has one. Hey, that could be a big problem, because if not even a Keyblade could rip Ven out of Sora, how will Ven ever be restored? Because neither issue is on the end of things we want, it's just as easy to believe option three: Roxas has Ven's appearance and his heart. Not his memories, so he is indeed Roxas and not Ven, but that's completely arbitrary.

It doesn't make it... not so, either. Hell, this person could be completely right and we just don't know it yet. No, there's no proof. Just like there was no proof MX took over Terra's body but WOOPS, called that. *rolls eyes*

 

It's too up in the air to solidly agree or disagree. I think Vanitas is coming back because he was a vital part of Ventus to begin with. If Ventus is restored to be with a restored Terra and Aqua, he can't have Vanitas inside him, or else he'd be back in a state of memory loss. He just wouldn't be the same person if he had to be himself and Vanitas in one body.

 

I'd personally like to blame Vanitas for the inbalance in Sora that allowed the anti drive form to appear.

 

As for Kairi restoring Sora's heart... if Sora held Ven and Kairi's hearts... we have one of two issues: One, Ven's heart WAS released but could NOT have been returned when Kairi restored Sora because no one even knew about Ven. Or, Two: Ven's heart WAS NOT released because he no longer has one. Hey, that could be a big problem, because if not even a Keyblade could rip Ven out of Sora, how will Ven ever be restored? Because neither issue is on the end of things we want, it's just as easy to believe option three: Roxas has Ven's appearance and his heart. Not his memories, so he is indeed Roxas and not Ven, but that's completely arbitrary.

 

No. Vanitas was destroyed by Ven, which is why his heart went to Sora, because it was damaged. Also, Ven's heart stayed in Sora when he stabbed himself. His body with Ven's heart inside because his Nobody, Roxas. Kairi didn't restore Sora, she created a body-like shell to house his heart, as his body was Roxas.

 

No. Vanitas was destroyed by Ven, which is why his heart went to Sora, because it was damaged. Also, Ven's heart stayed in Sora when he stabbed himself. His body with Ven's heart inside because his Nobody, Roxas. Kairi didn't restore Sora, she created a body-like shell to house his heart, as his body was Roxas.

 

Ven's heart.... stayed.... in Sora... when he stabbed himself. But Sora became Roxas, therefore, Ven is in Roxas. Roxas acted like he had a heart because he indeed did have a heart inside him. That's basically exactly what I said as option three. The same option three which everyone tends to disagree with: Ven not being Roxas and all. My entire point was basically that: Roxas kind of has to have Ven in him. =/

 

I do like the way you've put this, Kairi giving Sora a Sora-shaped body (as she remembered it, of course) as a house. It's much like MX giving Vanitas form from darkness, and the emblem Heartless having artificial bodies. This would indeed make sense.

 

*Anyway.* I don't personally believe Vanitas was destroyed (as that would have outright killed Ven), only neutralized, because Ventus is not dead, only comatose.

 

If Ven is woken up, Vanitas will wake up. Possibly even in control of Ven's body, as he was when he fought Aqua. =/ Ven doesn't like his darkness so he latches to Sora's darkness. Ven is Sora's light, Sora is Ven's darkness. Vanitas is then Sora's darkness, and Sora is Vanitas' light. Sora is just a go-between conduit, and that's what's best for everyone. Vanitas' death did not feel very final, especially in comparison to other characters whose 'deaths' did feel final and ended up not (I'm looking at you, Xehanort's Heartless and your giant blast of light to the face). /not fact whatsoever, just personal thought

 

Ven's heart.... stayed.... in Sora... when he stabbed himself. But Sora became Roxas, therefore, Ven is in Roxas. Roxas acted like he had a heart because he indeed did have a heart inside him. That's basically exactly what I said as option three. The same option three which everyone tends to disagree with: Ven not being Roxas and all. My entire point was basically that: Roxas kind of has to have Ven in him. =/

 

I do like the way you've put this, Kairi giving Sora a Sora-shaped body (as she remembered it, of course) as a house. It's much like MX giving Vanitas form from darkness, and the emblem Heartless having artificial bodies. This would indeed make sense.

 

Ven isn't Roxas. Just because you have someone's heart doen't mean you become that person. He had Ven's heart and appearance, but nothing else. He was his own person with his own personality.

 

Ven isn't Roxas. Just because you have someone's heart doen't mean you become that person. He had Ven's heart and appearance, but nothing else. He was his own person with his own personality.

 

Yes. Ven is not Roxas. And I never said he was. He doesn't have Ven's memories. Then again, Ven didn't even have his own memories after Vanitas was torn away from him. =/

 

Memories play a large part in making someone who they are. I'm also seeing a continuing theme that darkness remembers better than light does (the novel having Vanitas as remembering his life prior to his split off, whereas Ven never did, and, Ansem the Wise dabbling with darkness in his experiments to help Xehanort recover his memories, prior to knowing how bad that could turn out).

 

(Unrelated but interesting note, Xion takes Ven's form when confronted by Xigbar. I'm still curious about that. )

Actually. Ventus is Roxas. I know because when Sora stabbed himself in the heart that made Ventus come out and he appeared in Twilight Town. And he was found by Ansem or who ever and Ansem renamed Ventus as Roxas. Come on. In 365/ 2 days it has the words SORA and he mixed them up to say ROXAS. So Roxas IS Ventus. But we all have our own opinions.

 

Yes. Ven is not Roxas. And I never said he was. He doesn't have Ven's memories. Then again, Ven didn't even have his own memories after Vanitas was torn away from him. =/

 

Memories play a large part in making someone who they are. I'm also seeing a continuing theme that darkness remembers better than light does (the novel having Vanitas as remembering his life prior to his split off, whereas Ven never did, and, Ansem the Wise dabbling with darkness in his experiments to help Xehanort recover his memories, prior to knowing how bad that could turn out).

 

(Unrelated but interesting note, Xion takes Ven's form when confronted by Xigbar. I'm still curious about that. )

 

It's because she's a replica of Sora, and since he had Ven's heart, as well as the memories of TAV that were buried in his heart that were revealed in Re:Coded, she was able to take Ven's appearance when Xigbar saw her. Her appearance is different to everyone who looks at her. Xigbar see's her as Ven, Roxas and Axel see her as the black-haired Kairi, and Saix see's her as a puppet with no face. Then when she's almost complete, she looks like Sora.

Actually. Ventus is Roxas. I know because when Sora stabbed himself in the heart that made Ventus come out and he appeared in Twilight Town. And he was found by Ansem or who ever and Ansem renamed Ventus as Roxas. Come on. In 365/ 2 days it has the words SORA and he mixed them up to say ROXAS. So Roxas IS Ventus. But we all have our own opinions.

 

Ven didn't come out and appear in Twilight Town. Ven is still in Castle Oblivion. Roxas is Sora's body with Ven's heart. There is no confirmation that Ven has anything to do with Twilight Town. And just because it said Sora and mixed into Roxas doesn't mean he's Ven, it means he's Sora's Nobody. All members of Organization 13 have their name changed to an anagram of their Somebody name with an X thrown in. Braig to Xigbar, Lea to Axel, Isa to Saix, etc. Also that wasn't Ansem who found Roxas, it was Xemnas, Apprentice Xehanort's Nobody.

Put it this way: You can say it all you like that Roxas is not Ven because Roxas does not have Ven's memories. Ven did not have his own memories when Vanitas was split away from him, but he was still Ven. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... its a body that looks like Ven with Ven's heart inside it without memories. So not for the first time, Ven's heart was memoryless, stripped away from darkness, and he has to learn who he is all over. This time, he was given a new name. If Ven is restored will he remember his time as Roxas?

 

On that note, Heartless eating hearts and all... I believe that perhaps only the light is taken, and the darkness remains. If the darkness from Ven's heart, Vanitas, stayed behind with Sora's heartless, that accounts for the anti form later on. Ven's light escaped like the princesses hearts of pure light did.

 

We have reasons for what we believe, we really do. We don't have enough evidence to support it as fact, no, but there's equally not enough to disprove it.

Put it this way: You can say it all you like that Roxas is not Ven because Roxas does not have Ven's memories. Ven did not have his own memories when Vanitas was split away from him, but he was still Ven. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck... its a body that looks like Ven with Ven's heart inside it without memories. So not for the first time, Ven's heart was memoryless, stripped away from darkness, and he has to learn who he is all over. This time, he was given a new name. If Ven is restored will he remember his time as Roxas?

 

On that note, Heartless eating hearts and all... I believe that perhaps only the light is taken, and the darkness remains. If the darkness from Ven's heart, Vanitas, stayed behind with Sora's heartless, that accounts for the anti form later on. Ven's light escaped like the princesses hearts of pure light did.

 

We have reasons for what we believe, we really do. We don't have enough evidence to support it as fact, no, but there's equally not enough to disprove it.

 

You keep changing sides here. First you're saying Ven is not Roxas, now you're saying he is. Anywho, as I said before, Vanitas was destroyed. Sora's Anti Form was created because he became a Heartless and he and Roxas weren't fully merged. Anti-Form is his Heartless coming back out.

 

You keep changing sides here. First you're saying Ven is not Roxas, now you're saying he is. Anywho, as I said before, Vanitas was destroyed. Sora's Anti Form was created because he became a Heartless and he and Roxas weren't fully merged. Anti-Form is his Heartless coming back out.

 

=3 I'm not changing sides at all.

 

Roxas identifies only as himself. Ven is not Roxas because Ven is asleep. Roxas is a memoryless Ven. Memories, as we agreed on, are what make a person who they are. I'm saying that Ven's heart is inside Roxas. Because he doesn't have any memories, he may as well be Ven #2. He's still running on the same heart that powered Ven's existence, so when Ven is restored, will he remember being Roxas? Will Ven remember being Vanitas?

 

Ven didn't even remember himself when Vanitas was split away from. But he was still part of himself in his own original body. This time it is different - he's got Sora's body, but because his heart is there, he looks like himself. But then again, he doesn't even know who he is. Sora's body with Ven's heart in it gets called Roxas and so Sora's body with Ven's heart is Roxas.

 

Body is an entirely different matter. I do not believe that Ven's actual body is Roxas in any way at all. I believe that Roxas may have -began- in Castle Oblivion, possibly even staring at Ven's actual body, and possibly even being lucid enough to remember he was Ven. He then probably tried to leave to find out what was going on and - by that time - Kairi restored Sora, and Roxas was officially memoryless and that's why he was found so far away from Namine, who was indeed found in Castle Oblivion.

We never agreed memories make up who someone is, you just keep saying that. Just because you have someone elses memories doesn't make you that person. And Ven won't remember his time as Roxas because he never was Roxas, unless Roxas's memories went into Ven's heart. Also, Roxas first appeared in Twilight Town, not Castle Oblivion, we have proof of that from KH2FM and Days.

Well. KH2FM isn't technicly a KH game. The only difference is that you fight the Org.13 and that there are other parts of the worlds you can go to. But in KH days there's a part where Zigbar thinks Xion is Ventus. But I'm sure we all will find out if Roxas is Ventus or if their different people. But I really think that Ventus is Roxas because Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade. Actually. In KH2 Riku says Roxas is Sora's nobody. And then Sora says "He's my...Nobody?" And then Sora remember's that he stabbed himself in the heart relesing Roxas who was Ventus. So there is proof that Ventus is Roxas. You guys just don't pay attention.

Well. KH2FM isn't technicly a KH game. The only difference is that you fight the Org.13 and that there are other parts of the worlds you can go to. But in KH days there's a part where Zigbar thinks Xion is Ventus. But I'm sure we all will find out if Roxas is Ventus or if their different people. But I really think that Ventus is Roxas because Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade. Actually. In KH2 Riku says Roxas is Sora's nobody. And then Sora says "He's my...Nobody?" And then Sora remember's that he stabbed himself in the heart relesing Roxas who was Ventus. So there is proof that Ventus is Roxas. You guys just don't pay attention.

 

KH2FM IS a KH game. It adds more cutscenes to further flesh out the story. Also, Xigbar doesn't think she's Ven, he see's her as Ven. But that has nothing to do with Roxas, as she's a replica of Sora, not him. When Sora stabbed himself, he didn't release Ven, he released his and Kairi's hearts. Ven is still in Castle Oblivion and will remain there until Sora and Aqua go to get him. All you have done is keep saying that Roxas is Ven and then state reasons why it's not true. You're the one who isn't paying attention. Just because you have someone's heart doesn't mean you are that person. The only similarities between Ven and Roxas are appearance. They have different fighting styles, different personalities, and the fact one is a Somebody and the other is a Nobody.

I've been searching for the answers of why does Roxas look like Ventus for a long time. Like when I first saw it when it was still in japan. And I found out why. It's because Roxas doesn't remember he is Ventus. Ventus's heart is not in his body. Ventus's heart created Roxas. Xemnas gave Ventus the name as Roxas. And when Sora had the battle with Roxas in KH2 and KH2FM Roxas went back inside Sora. So Ventus is just and empty shell. And until Sora finds him, Ventus's heart aka Roxas is still inside Sora. And when Sora reaches Ventus's empty body, Ventus will get his heart back making him a whole person again. But we won't know for sure until Tetsuya Nomura finishes KH DDD and the new FF game.

Roxas is not Ven, I don't know how many times I have to say it for it to sink in. Ven's heart didn't creat Roxas, it just changed his appearance. Sora created Roxas when he released his and Kairi's hearts in KH1. Roxas came from Sora's body. Had Ven's heart not been in Sora's body, Roxas would have looked like Sora, but it would still be Roxas. All Ven's heart did was change his appearance to Ven's and grant him the ability to wield a second Keyblade after Xion's destruction. That's it, nothing else. Ven's heart isn't Roxas, and Roxas isn't Ven. They are two seperate people who's only similarity is appearance.

Guyz!! Roxas is not Ven! When Sora stabbed the keyblade in his heart he released 8 hearts. Got it memorized? So the eigth hearts were for the seven prinsesses of light Cinderella, Snow wite, Alice, Belle, Jasmine, Sleeping beauty and Kairi. The eight was Soras . So when someone dies if he has a strong heart becomes a heartless same with Sora. So when you become a heartless you automaticly have a nobody and an unversed (i'm not shure). So his nobody Roxas looked like Ven because Ven was in Sora's heart. Ven's heart remained in Sora's heart and hes body is still in castle oblivion. In 358/2 days, Roxas has hes own personality, and like Azure he is a NOBODY. Ven is a SOMEBODY. So if you played bbs you would see that at Ven's story in final battle you destroy Vanitas and Ven goes into Soras heart in order to be healed and safe. But i'm not so shure about tmy Vanitas theory. Yes, i know he died but what if he kinda live..? Whatever.

Roxas is not Ven, I don't know how many times I have to say it for it to sink in. Ven's heart didn't creat Roxas, it just changed his appearance. Sora created Roxas when he released his and Kairi's hearts in KH1. Roxas came from Sora's body. Had Ven's heart not been in Sora's body, Roxas would have looked like Sora, but it would still be Roxas. All Ven's heart did was change his appearance to Ven's and grant him the ability to wield a second Keyblade after Xion's destruction. That's it, nothing else. Ven's heart isn't Roxas, and Roxas isn't Ven. They are two seperate people who's only similarity is appearance.

 

At this point, you might as well copy and paste your posts, you're not making any progress.

 

At this point, you might as well copy and paste your posts, you're not making any progress.

 

You are correct.

 

Anyways. I'm not going to argue anymore over something that is not on the main subject. So. I think Vanitas WILL be coming back!

Vanitas may return. He may not. We'll have to wait and see.