So the whole reasoning behind there being a young Xehanort has been bothering me for some time now and with some thought i pieced together a new theory behind why he, as well as Sora and Riku have become young again in KH3D.

 

Children are though of as beings with little evil in there hearts and Sora being a generally kind person would naturally be turned back to a child when entering the dream world. Riku, on the other hand, being a person who uses both darkness and light would be a bit older which makes sense considering how he looks more mature than Sora in his new form.

 

The real question is how did Xehanort become young again assuming this theory is true? My guess is that when he was studying under Ansem tinkering with the evil in his heart, he managed to extract the goodness in his heart to magnify his evil power (much like Ventus) and thus a younger version now exists in the world of dreams .. However why would he be in the land of departure during BBS? .. Since it is a land in between both light and darkness, i think it may exist within the same boundaries of the dream world which allowed him to travel there, assuming that the can indeed travel time. This could also explain why his lighsabers are blue .. maybe lol

Sora and Riku aren't young again in DDD, they're the same age they were in KH2, maybe a little older depending on how much time passed between the two games. Also, while the character of the Mysterious Figure is canon, and apparently revealed to be Young Xehanort, the boss battle with him in BBS has been stated to be non-canon, meaning it didn't actually happen in the story. Just like the No Heart and Armor of the Master battles, it was just a challenging battle to do that revealed a new character for a future game, this case DDD.

Maybe, or maybe it's none of those things.

Children are though of as beings with little evil in there hearts and Sora being a generally kind person would naturally be turned back to a child when entering the dream world. Riku, on the other hand, being a person who uses both darkness and light would be a bit older which makes sense considering how he looks more mature than Sora in his new form.

Both Sora and Riku got changed into their KH1 forms once they entered the Realm of Sleep. Riku might look a little older than KH1 Riku due to his new clothes and the haircut.

 

 

The real question is how did Xehanort become young again assuming this theory is true? My guess is that when he was studying under Ansem tinkering with the evil in his heart, he managed to extract the goodness in his heart to magnify his evil power (much like Ventus) and thus a younger version now exists in the world of dreams ..

Why would he be younger? If Apprentice Xehanort somehow managed to extract the light from Master Xehanort's heart why would the new born being with a heart of pure light be a young Master Xehanort? Why wouldn't he be just as old? When Vanitas was created he was the same age as Ventus. I'd only make sense for Master Xehanort's light half to be just as old has him.

 

 

However why would he be in the land of departure during BBS? .. Since it is a land in between both light and darkness, i think it may exist within the same boundaries of the dream world which allowed him to travel there

Land of Departure exists within the Realm of Nothingness, not the Realm of Sleep.

 

 

, assuming that the can indeed travel time. This could also explain why his lighsabers are blue .. maybe lol

 

Why does he have lightsabers like weapons to begin with?

 

 

Sora and Riku aren't young again in DDD, they're the same age they were in KH2, maybe a little older depending on how much time passed between the two games.

Sora and Riku both appear to be younger while being in the Realm of Sleep

 

 

Also, while the character of the Mysterious Figure is canon, and apparently revealed to be Young Xehanort, the boss battle with him in BBS has been stated to be non-canon, meaning it didn't actually happen in the story.

When and where was it stated that the battle was non-canon? It wasn't stated in the interview which revealed his identity.

 

 

Just like the No Heart and Armor of the Master battles, it was just a challenging battle to do that revealed a new character for a future game, this case DDD.

We know that No Heart and Armor of the Master was non-canon because it took place in Mirage Arena.

I remember reading an interview sometime after BBS came out in the US where Nomura stated it was non-canon, though it was a long time ago. Also, where does it state that they are their KH1 selves? They look the same when they're talking to Yen Sid in the trailer, as they do when in the Dream World, with the exception of their clothes. If you're referring to the early footage that had them in their KH1 outfits with the Sora's falling and the Twilight Thorn, that stuff was scrapped, as it was just them testing what they can do with the 3DS.

Both Sora and Riku got changed into their KH1 forms once they entered the Realm of Sleep. Riku might look a little older than KH1 Riku due to his new clothes and the haircut.

 

 

 

Why would he be younger? If Apprentice Xehanort somehow managed to extract the light from Master Xehanort's heart why would the new born being with a heart of pure light be a young Master Xehanort? Why wouldn't he be just as old? When Vanitas was created he was the same age as Ventus. I'd only make sense for Master Xehanort's light half to be just as old has him.

 

 

 

Land of Departure exists within the Realm of Nothingness, not the Realm of Sleep.

 

 

 

Why does he have lightsabers like weapons to begin with?

 

 

1. If you look at Riku side by side with his new form he does appear a little more mature in his face and body.

 

2. This is just in his case of being in the dream world, we never saw his form while he was MF

 

3. i kinda just BSed that one lol, i have no clue

 

4. once again, no clue but i guess it works ..

I remember reading an interview sometime after BBS came out in the US where Nomura stated it was non-canon, though it was a long time ago. Also, where does it state that they are their KH1 selves? They look the same when they're talking to Yen Sid in the trailer, as they do when in the Dream World, with the exception of their clothes. If you're referring to the early footage that had them in their KH1 outfits with the Sora's falling and the Twilight Thorn, that stuff was scrapped, as it was just them testing what they can do with the 3DS.

 

 

You can't say they look like they're the same age ..

Pretty nice Theory if you ask me!

Also, where does it state that they are their KH1 selves? They look the same when they're talking to Yen Sid in the trailer, as they do when in the Dream World, with the exception of their clothes. If you're referring to the early footage that had them in their KH1 outfits with the Sora's falling and the Twilight Thorn, that stuff was scrapped, as it was just them testing what they can do with the 3DS.

 

You can easily see that it's the KH1 selves which has recived new cloths and not the KH2 once. And Sora and Riku still appear in their KH1 cloths for a short amount of time in the newer trailers. We saw Sora and Riku in their KH1 cloths on Destiny Islands in the TGS trailer and in the Jump Festa trailer we can see Sora diving into Traverse Town with his KH1 cloths.

 

 

Another picture which shows the differences.

Maybe, or maybe it's none of those things.

 

This was incredibly enlightening

I remember reading an interview sometime after BBS came out in the US where Nomura stated it was non-canon, though it was a long time ago. Also, where does it state that they are their KH1 selves? They look the same when they're talking to Yen Sid in the trailer, as they do when in the Dream World, with the exception of their clothes. If you're referring to the early footage that had them in their KH1 outfits with the Sora's falling and the Twilight Thorn, that stuff was scrapped, as it was just them testing what they can do with the 3DS.

 

Actually, as far as I can remember, he never mentioned the fight being non-canon. But if you take the pass secret FM bosses, you'll know that none of them were canon at all. The only thing that's as close as to canon is Xemnas from KH1FM, because of flashback of Sora fighting him in KH2, but even then it's still not canon.

 

They take upon their KH1 selves, assuming you're not cross-eyed. It isn't hard to see the complete difference, as you see in the pictures below you.

 

And yes, Sora DOES appear in his KH1 attire from the latest trailer.

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlex8ja2eNI

 

Skip to 2:53. There you go.

 

You can easily see that it's the KH1 selves which has recived new cloths and not the KH2 once. And Sora and Riku still appear in their KH1 cloths for a short amount of time in the newer trailers. We saw Sora and Riku in their KH1 cloths on Destiny Islands in the TGS trailer and in the Jump Festa trailer we can see Sora diving into Traverse Town with his KH1 cloths.

 

 

Another picture which shows the differences.

 

Riku looks like a girl. I think there little so that they fit in with the tweey chacterz because older sora look wierd standin next to neku

Actually, as far as I can remember, he never mentioned the fight being non-canon. But if you take the pass secret FM bosses, you'll know that none of them were canon at all. The only thing that's as close as to canon is Xemnas from KH1FM, because of flashback of Sora fighting him in KH2, but even then it's still not canon.

KH1FM - Xemnas

KH2FM - Lingering Sentiment

KH BBS - Mysterious Figure

They're all canon. It hasn't been said otherwise anywhere.

The Xemnas battle appears in the opening for KH Re:CoM and in the KH2 Sora flashbacks. Of course it's canon. Show me some proff if you're going to say they're non-canon.

Wait Wait Wait Wait, calm down everybody =D

 

First, I think it`s clear now that they are younger because they are in the realm of sleep.

 

Second, none of the MIRAGE ARENA fights were canon, nor Vanitas reminescents. But the mysterious figure appeared in the real world, so I think it's pretty canon, REMEMBER! Every extra boss so far was something that was going to happen in the next game.

Xemnas to start, first, if you see the video HERE -

you see that Xemnas "passes through Sora" and look at his memories, not just this, it's because of this that he could creat Xion.

I think that everybody know that Terra's armor deal so, yeah.

 

Now the mnysterious figure appeared in the kh3d. IT'S CANON!

 

 

Now the ultimate explanation! OR NOT!

Yen Sid said in some trailer "You'll need to forget you selfteached keyblade abilities so you can learn how to truthfully use it" so, they started from the start, yes, kingdom hearts "1", that's why they are so young in the realm of sleep.

KH1FM - Xemnas

KH2FM - Lingering Sentiment

KH BBS - Mysterious Figure

They're all canon. It hasn't been said otherwise anywhere.

The Xemnas battle appears in the opening for KH Re:CoM and in the KH2 Sora flashbacks. Of course it's canon. Show me some proff if you're going to say they're non-canon.

 

Show me some proff if you're going to say they're non-canon.

You know, I find this forum to be hypocritical. You haven't shown me proof of the FIGHTS (which I can tell you're confusing the boss and boss fight) being canon. It's called assuming. Just because it wasn't said it was canon, doesn't make it canon.

 

Now I just told you that because of the flashbacks of Sora with Xemnas is as close as to canon. I'm leant to say it is canon, but it doesn't matter. It can be considered canon and it can also be considered non-canon, which you'll see below.

 

However, none of the fights' legitimacy are truly canon. Because they don't impact the story whatsoever. They're just fun fights that are really hard and surprises us. I doubt the fights really happened.

 

Let's be honest here. Are you really going to tell me that a portal somehow appears inside of Mickey's Castle, Sora somehow comes back to the castle and goes inside it and faces a mysterious Keyblade warrior. Are you really going to tell me that despite Nomura saying he had time manipulation, Mysterious Figure went back in time and fought Terra, Aqua, and Ven....

 

http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png

 

Be swayed by the better argument, they always told me. You didn't exactly sway me on Xemnas, but it's enough to believe he was canon. As for the other two, you're going to have prove yourself.

However, none of the fights' legitimacy are truly canon. Because they don't impact the story whatsoever. They're just fun fights that are really hard and surprises us. I doubt the fights really happened.

 

Dunno about Terra's armor and Mysterious Figure, but without Xemnas fight Xion would not exist, because, even though she is Roxas's clone, her base was the memories that Xemnas stole from Sora at that fight, you can see that the same thing happen when Sora enters in Castle Oblivion and Marluxia create the traverse town card after looking in Sora's memories.

 

 

I'm having some internet problems so I can't show you the exact time, but you can start jumping until Sora enters Castle oblivion

 

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I believe that Mysterious Figure is Xehanort Nobody created when he retired his heart from his body to take on Terra's one, so, I don't believe that ,mysterious figure could time travel from post KH2 until BBS, but if you think, he could time travel a little to before the last fight in BBS, BUT the whole Idea of someone with the power of going back in time just sounds to me a little off. and yeah, Terra's fight in KH2FM is pretty unlikely. "I just beat one hell of a guy stronger than Sephirot after wenting in a black hole that suddenly appeared in Disney Castle and didn't tell anyone about that".......... Sounds legit.

Dunno about Terra's armor and Mysterious Figure, but without Xemnas fight Xion would not exist, because, even though she is Roxas's clone, her base was the memories that Xemnas stole from Sora at that fight, you can see that the same thing happen when Sora enters in Castle Oblivion and Marluxia create the traverse town card after looking in Sora's memories.

 

http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=59R3oEfNxnw

 

I'm having some internet problems so I can't show you the exact time, but you can start jumping until Sora enters Castle oblivion

 

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I believe that Mysterious Figure is Xehanort Nobody created when he retired his heart from his body to take on Terra's one, so, I don't believe that ,mysterious figure could time travel from post KH2 until BBS, but if you think, he could time travel a little to before the last fight in BBS, BUT the whole Idea of someone with the power of going back in time just sounds to me a little off. and yeah, Terra's fight in KH2FM is pretty unlikely. "I just beat one hell of a guy stronger than Sephirot after wenting in a black hole that suddenly appeared in Disney Castle and didn't tell anyone about that".......... Sounds legit.

 

I know that. That's why I believe it's enough to say it's canon.

 

As for your....er, small theory, I doubt Mysterious Figure time traveled at all. I'm not saying he didn't, but I'll wait on the game for that.

 

That's why until Nomura truly comfirms anything, I'm considering Lingering Sentiment and Mysterious Figure BOSS FIGHT non-canon.

 

Waiting on you JTD.

You know, I find this forum to be hypocritical. You haven't shown me proof of the FIGHTS (which I can tell you're confusing the boss and boss fight) being canon. It's called assuming. Just because it wasn't said it was canon, doesn't make it canon.

It appears in the game, that's enough for me to call it canon. Am I going to assume Pride Lands wasn't canon because it barely affected the rest of the story? No. It appears in the game and most likely it's canon until it's either said or proven otherwise by Nomura or the game itself.

 

 

Now I just told you that because of the flashbacks of Sora with Xemnas is as close as to canon. I'm leant to say it is canon, but it doesn't matter. It can be considered canon and it can also be considered non-canon, which you'll see below.

It can't be considered non-canon! It appears in Sora's flashback. Obviously it's canon for that reason. Why would Sora have flashbacks about events which never occurred?

 

 

However, none of the fights' legitimacy are truly canon. Because they don't impact the story whatsoever. They're just fun fights that are really hard and surprises us. I doubt the fights really happened.

Atlantica in KH2 didn't affect the story whatsoever.

 

 

Let's be honest here. Are you really going to tell me that a portal somehow appears inside of Mickey's Castle, Sora somehow comes back to the castle and goes inside it and faces a mysterious Keyblade warrior. Are you really going to tell me that despite Nomura saying he had time manipulation, Mysterious Figure went back in time and fought Terra, Aqua, and Ven....

For the portal inside Disney Castle, yes I believe that happend. If I remember correctly it has neither been confirmed to be canon or non-canon and until it is proven to be one of them I am going to believe it's canon.

As for the Mysterious Figure fight. I'm going to have to wait until KH3D comes out to make up my mind about that one.

 

 

That's why until Nomura truly comfirms anything, I'm considering Lingering Sentiment and Mysterious Figure BOSS FIGHT non-canon.

 

Same here kind of. Until Nomura truly comfirms anything, I'm considering those two fight canon.