In my opinion, he seriously needed this loss to Xehanort, to show him that he needs to get his act together.

 

I mean, from KH1, up until now, Sora has conquered every challenge he's come across, and saved the worlds from Xehanort multiple times. And because of his big successes, he's pretty much become careless and pretty much an idiot hero.

 

I mean, in KH1, he kinda was a idiot hero, but considering how he spent all his life carefree on the islands having fun with Riku and Kairi, it was to be expected. And by KH2, he finally began to see the error of his previous ways, and was starting to become more mature. But then he defeated Xemnas and the Organization. And then, he laid back and took a break with Riku and Kairi and the DI, for at least month(Meanwhile the almost completely unimportant events of Coded took place) before getting called to save the worlds one last time. Im pretty sure that last success against Xehanort in KH2 went to Sora's head, which is why now in DDD, he's become alot more careless and pretty much reverted back to the idiot hero he was in KH1, which made him more vulnerable. Then when the critical moment came and Sora arrived at TWTNW, Sora didn't think clearly enough, so he went to far into his dream and fell into Xehanort's trap.

 

Because of his actions and carelessness, he almost succumbed to the darkness and became the final vessel, and considering how powerful he is, could've ended up helping Xehanort summon Kingdom Hearts and possibly the end of the worlds.

 

My point is, Sora got lazy due to his constant success, and lost sight of how big a threat Xehanort really is.

 

HE NEEDED TO LOSE TO XEHANORT THIS TIME. Now he has realized how his actions almost caused Xehanort to capture him and possibly summon Kingdom Hearts, so next game, he will probably be more mature and serious about how big of a threat Xehanort is.

The game was more about Riku's development anyway. Sora falling into darkness allowed for Riku to save him, further building his character.

You are talking bout the same kid who woke up and had a tea party with a fake mustache and glasses after almost 'sleeping for eternity " as a Nort vessel . Just sayin'. It's who he is.

You are talking bout the same kid who woke up and had a tea party with a fake mustache and glasses after almost 'sleeping for eternity " as a Nort vessel . Just sayin'. It's who he is.

I know its been his personality from pretty much day 1, but he was starting to change that around in KH2, he was realizing the error of his ways, and towards the end became a little more serious and focused.

 

At least until all that success seemed to go to his head. The point is, i'm pretty sure Sora's loss wasn't only because it was for Riku's development. I'm pretty sure its supposed to be a wake-up call for him, so he can truly realize how evil and calculating Xehanort is, and that he needs get his priorities straight and be more focused so he can defeat him once and for all.

 

Im not saying he has to become as serious as Riku, that would be too drastic. But he can't be as laid back and care free like he used to be anymore. At least not at the moment.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by spiderfreak1011

Get his act together? But that would ruin his character.

Get his act together? But that would ruin his character.

Well, im not saying he has to become as Serious as Riku, but he can't be as laid back and carefree like he used to be in KH1. He needs to be a little more serious if he's going to defeat Xehanort. All im saying. He just needed this loss as a wake-up call.

I know its been his personality from pretty much day 1, but he was starting to change that around in KH2, he was realizing the error of his ways, and towards the end became a little more serious and focused.

 

At least until all that success seemed to go to his head. The point is, i'm pretty sure Sora's loss wasn't only because it was for Riku's development. I'm pretty sure its supposed to be a wake-up call for him, so he can truly realize how evil and calculating Xehanort is, and that he needs get his priorities straight and be more focused so he can defeat him once and for all.

 

Im not saying he has to become as serious as Riku, that would be too drastic. But he can't be as laid back and care free like he used to be anymore. At least not at the moment.

 

 

 Remember,Sora had many obstacles in KH2 to overcome like rescuing Kairi and finding Riku so he had to focus . When he went into the MoM, it was just suppose to be some easy exam that he never really cared for or needed to do . So he just didn't see it coming . He's still a kid don't forget .Even after almost losing everything, he woke up and had a tea party . It's just who he is . But it doesn't mean he didn't take Xehanort seriously . He just didn't expect him .After everything in DDD , everyone knows what to expect and are sure to be on their toes.

In my opinion, he seriously needed this loss to Xehanort, to show him that he needs to get his act together. I mean, from KH1, up until now, Sora has conquered every challenge he's come across, and saved the worlds from Xehanort multiple times. And because of his big successes, he's pretty much become careless and pretty much an idiot hero. I mean, in KH1, he kinda was a idiot hero, but considering how he spent all his life carefree on the islands having fun with Riku and Kairi, it was to be expected. And by KH2, he finally began to see the error of his previous ways, and was starting to become more mature. But then he defeated Xemnas and the Organization. And then, he laid back and took a break with Riku and Kairi and the DI, for at least month(Meanwhile the almost completely unimportant events of Coded took place) before getting called to save the worlds one last time. Im pretty sure that last success against Xehanort in KH2 went to Sora's head, which is why now in DDD, he's become alot more careless and pretty much reverted back to the idiot hero he was in KH1, which made him more vulnerable. Then when the critical moment came and Sora arrived at TWTNW, Sora didn't think clearly enough, so he went to far into his dream and fell into Xehanort's trap. Because of his actions and carelessness, he almost succumbed to the darkness and became the final vessel, and considering how powerful he is, could've ended up helping Xehanort summon Kingdom Hearts and possibly the end of the worlds. My point is, Sora got lazy due to his constant success, and lost sight of how big a threat Xehanort really is. HE NEEDED TO LOSE TO XEHANORT THIS TIME. Now he has realized how his actions almost caused Xehanort to capture him and possibly summon Kingdom Hearts, so next game, he will probably be more mature and serious about how big of a threat Xehanort is.

This is exactly why I enjoyed playing riku more in DDD

Well, im not saying he has to become as Serious as Riku, but he can't be as laid back and carefree like he used to be in KH1. He needs to be a little more serious if he's going to defeat Xehanort. All im saying. He just needed this loss as a wake-up call.

But then he would just be a regular ol boring protagonist.

But then he would just be a regular ol boring protagonist.

 

Not neccessarily. He just needs to be a little more attentive and smart about his actions. He doesn't need to change his personality entirely and become boring.

 

 Remember,Sora had many obstacles in KH2 to overcome like rescuing Kairi and finding Riku so he had to focus . When he went into the MoM, it was just suppose to be some easy exam that he never really cared for or needed to do . So he just didn't see it coming . He's still a kid don't forget .Even after almost losing everything, he woke up and had a tea party . It's just who he is . But it doesn't mean he didn't take Xehanort seriously . He just didn't expect him .After everything in DDD , everyone knows what to expect and are sure to be on their toes.

I know that it was suppose to be an Easy Exam, but the moment that he saw Young Xehanort and Xemnas, and then later Xigbar(Or Braig i should say) he should've been more attentive and aware, especially considering how they continually taunted him multiple times. He should've expected something. If he had gone through the whole exam without seeing them at all, or only seeing them once, then i could understand how he wouldn't expect them at all. But especially when he found out at the end that all of them were there and had been watching him and leading him there, he should've tried to think about his actions and what to do next. But even considering all that had happened, he just rushed in blindly, and fell into Xehanort's trap.

 

Besides, he still has the education of a 14 year old(I would say 16, except he has spent the last 2 years on the journey to save the worlds, so he isn't as smart as he should be). I think he should've been a little more cautious really.

 

But in all fairness, with Xehanort being the mastermind he is, i will cut Sora and his friends some slack, because he pulled out a huge plot twist at the end out of nowhere. So, it isn't completely Sora's fault, but he still should be a little more smart about what he does next time. Thats all i am saying. This was just supposed to be a wake up call for him, to really show him how Xehanort could easily destroy him and his friends, just like he did with Ventus, Terra, and Aqua.

This is exactly why I enjoyed playing riku more in DDD

Same here. I liked Sora more in terms of gameplay though.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by spiderfreak1011

Not neccessarily. He just needs to be a little more attentive and smart about his actions. He doesn't need to change his personality entirely and become boring.

 

I know that it was suppose to be an Easy Exam, but the moment that he saw Young Xehanort and Xemnas, and then later Xigbar(Or Braig i should say) he should've been more attentive and aware, especially considering how they continually taunted him multiple times. He should've expected something. If he had gone through the whole exam without seeing them at all, or only seeing them once, then i could understand how he wouldn't expect them at all. But especially when he found out at the end that all of them were there and had been watching him and leading him there, he should've tried to think about his actions and what to do next. But even considering all that had happened, he just rushed in blindly, and fell into Xehanort's trap.

 

Besides, he still has the education of a 14 year old(I would say 16, except he has spent the last 2 years on the journey to save the worlds, so he isn't as smart as he should be). I think he should've been a little more cautious really.

 

But in all fairness, with Xehanort being the mastermind he is, i will cut Sora and his friends some slack, because he pulled out a huge plot twist at the end out of nowhere. So, it isn't completely Sora's fault, but he still should be a little more smart about what he does next time. Thats all i am saying. This was just supposed to be a wake up call for him, to really show him how Xehanort could easily destroy him and his friends, just like he did with Ventus, Terra, and Aqua.

But if he was more attentive and smart he would be like a lot of other protagonist. Nothing different. Just blah.

But if he was more attentive and smart he would be like a lot of other protagonist. Nothing different. Just blah.

Well, considering how he and his friends are facing an enemy like Xehanort, it doesn't pay to just rush in and hope for the best all the time like Sora has been doing for the most part. Thats what got him captured. One way or another, Sora is gonna probably be a little more attentive and smart next game. Otherwise, it'll be like he learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN DDD.

Not neccessarily. He just needs to be a little more attentive and smart about his actions. He doesn't need to change his personality entirely and become boring.

 

I know that it was suppose to be an Easy Exam, but the moment that he saw Young Xehanort and Xemnas, and then later Xigbar(Or Braig i should say) he should've been more attentive and aware, especially considering how they continually taunted him multiple times. He should've expected something. If he had gone through the whole exam without seeing them at all, or only seeing them once, then i could understand how he wouldn't expect them at all. But especially when he found out at the end that all of them were there and had been watching him and leading him there, he should've tried to think about his actions and what to do next. But even considering all that had happened, he just rushed in blindly, and fell into Xehanort's trap.

 

Besides, he still has the education of a 14 year old(I would say 16, except he has spent the last 2 years on the journey to save the worlds, so he isn't as smart as he should be). I think he should've been a little more cautious really.

 

But in all fairness, with Xehanort being the mastermind he is, i will cut Sora and his friends some slack, because he pulled out a huge plot twist at the end out of nowhere. So, it isn't completely Sora's fault, but he still should be a little more smart about what he does next time. Thats all i am saying. This was just supposed to be a wake up call for him, to really show him how Xehanort could easily destroy him and his friends, just like he did with Ventus, Terra, and Aqua.

Same here. I liked Sora more in terms of gameplay though.

 

You forget he was in the dream realm where people and things and events happened from your past . They were told/warned that they might see things from the past and whatnot so its not unreasonable for him to not think as much on their appearances. Also he did not know YMX's identity till the end either 

Well, considering how he and his friends are facing an enemy like Xehanort, it doesn't pay to just rush in and hope for the best all the time like Sora has been doing for the most part. Thats what got him captured. One way or another, Sora is gonna probably be a little more attentive and smart next game. Otherwise, it'll be like he learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM WHAT HAPPENED IN DDD.

But that's how he beat all of the other forms of Xehanort.

I really think Xaon has a point here.  One reason Sora is who he is, is his kind of lack of serious thought.  It's kind of the essence of Kingdom Hearts the series, ya know?  Light conquering darkness.  If Sora was to become serious, it would ruin the whole thing.  He would just be another hero.  

You forget he was in the dream realm where people and things and events happened from your past . They were told/warned that they might see things from the past and whatnot so its not unreasonable for him to not think as much on their appearances. Also he did not know YMX's identity till the end either 

 

Ok, i agree with your logic there.

 

But that's how he beat all of the other forms of Xehanort.

 

Well not exactly. He had alot of Luck, a heart full of light, the power of friendship, and the enormous power of the keyblade on his side. Those were the Major factors that helped him defeat Ansem SOD and Xemnas. But with the Original true Xehanort, he has an army of Darknesses on his side, the Power of the keyblade, a heart almost consumed by darkness, and is probably as strong as Sora.

 

They cancel each other out pretty much. So Xehanort can probably take down Sora at this point. Sora needs to be a little more serious and focused. He doesn't need to become like the other heroes, he just needs to be focused and serious like he was in KH2. Then he'll be fine.

 

I really think Xaon has a point here.  One reason Sora is who he is, is his kind of lack of serious thought.  It's kind of the essence of Kingdom Hearts the series, ya know?  Light conquering darkness.  If Sora was to become serious, it would ruin the whole thing.  He would just be another hero.  

Sora was serious and determined in KH2, but that didn't ruin his personality. He just needs to not be the laid back hero that he was in KH1 all the time like he was in DDD.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by spiderfreak1011

Ok, i agree with your logic there.

 

 

Well not exactly. He had alot of Luck, a heart full of light, the power of friendship, and the enormous power of the keyblade on his side. Those were the Major factors that helped him defeat Ansem SOD and Xemnas. But with the Original true Xehanort, he has an army of Darknesses on his side, the Power of the keyblade, a heart almost consumed by darkness, and is probably as strong as Sora.

 

They cancel each other out pretty much. So Xehanort can probably take down Sora at this point. Sora needs to be a little more serious and focused. He doesn't need to become like the other heroes, he just needs to be focused and serious like he was in KH2. Then he'll be fine.

 

Sora was serious and determined in KH2, but that didn't ruin his personality. He just needs to not be the laid back hero that he was in KH1 all the time like he was in DDD.

He just sort of ran in there and hit things with a big key. In kh2 he had rikus help and they both hit him with 2 keys.

He just sort of ran in there and hit things with a big key. In kh2 he had rikus help and they both hit him with 2 keys.

He always had his friends to help him out though. Everytime. Even in COM, when they were cards(Hence why they appeared with him in every cutscene, except when he ran away from Donald and Goofy). This was another reason Sora got captured, he didn't have his friends to help him this time.

He always had his friends to help him out though. Everytime. Even in COM, when they were cards(Hence why they appeared with him in every cutscene, except when he ran away from Donald and Goofy). This was another reason Sora got captured, he didn't have his friends to help him this time.

It's not like anything was ever planned though. They were just like, "Hey he' s bad. Let's make him dead" . Than sora smacked with his keyblade until they were dead.

Things have mostly worked out for Sora up until now, but there's no guarantee the trend will continue, especially against a guy like Xehanort.  Even if Sora managed to defeat both Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, Xehanort is still the one calling the shots at the end of the day.

 

Though, embracing light and following one's heart, and having a little more perception about the situation, aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

It's not like anything was ever planned though. They were just like, "Hey he' s bad. Let's make him dead" . Than sora smacked with his keyblade until they were dead.

 

True, the only plan they had was to lock the keyholes, destroy the heartless, and find Sora's friends. But now that those things have been accomplished, all thats left is officially defeating Xehanort, which is a whole different harder thing entirely.

 

Things have mostly worked out for Sora up until now, but there's no guarantee the trend will continue, especially against a guy like Xehanort.  Even if Sora managed to defeat both Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, Xehanort is still the one calling the shots at the end of the day.

 

Though, embracing light and following one's heart, and having a little more perception about the situation, aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.

This^.

True, the only plan they had was to lock the keyholes, destroy the heartless, and find Sora's friends. But now that those things have been accomplished, all thats left is officially defeating Xehanort, which is a whole different harder thing entirely.

 

This^.

Why would it be? Sora and Riku took on Xemnas. Who,at the time, was the strongest character in Kingdom Hearts. Not much more can be stronger than that. Plus they are going to have more than 2 keyblade weilders and Sora already has beaten Zigbar, Saix and Ansem. All the other darknesses are most likely people Sora has beaten before. I mean..There isn't that much planning needed. Also, Sora has a whole team now who can do the thinking for him. He has no need to.

Edited May 7, 201312 yr by Xaon

Why would it be? Sora and Riku took on Xemnas. Who,at the time, was the strongest character in Kingdom Hearts. Not much more can be stronger than that. Plus they are going to have more than 2 keyblade weilders and Sora already has beaten Zigbar, Saix and Ansem. All the other darknesses are most likely people Sora has beaten before. I mean..There isn't that much planning needed. Also, Sora has a whole team now who can do the thinking for him. He has no need to.

Well the fact that without his team, Sora is more vulnerable. Thats why he was able to be kidnapped in DDD, he was alone, seperated from his friends/team. If that happens in KH3(Its very likely, it happened with Sora and Riku in the final battle of KH2), Sora needs to be attentive and focused for himself, so he doesn't get defeated by Xehanort.

Well the fact that without his team, Sora is more vulnerable. Thats why he was able to be kidnapped in DDD, he was alone, seperated from his friends/team. If that happens in KH3(Its very likely, it happened with Sora and Riku in the final battle of KH2), Sora needs to be attentive and focused for himself, so he doesn't get defeated by Xehanort.

Nah. He doesn't. He just has to swing his giant ass key.

Nah. He doesn't. He just has to swing his giant ass key.

And what if he constantly misses, and Xehanort manages to hit him all the time with his key due to his excessive planning? Sora will be doomed. You can't just expect him to win everytime just because he has the keyblade. This time will be different. Sora can't win with just swinging his key.

And what if he constantly misses, and Xehanort manages to hit him all the time with his key due to his excessive planning? Sora will be doomed. You can't just expect him to win everytime just because he has the keyblade. This time will be different. Sora can't win with just swinging his key.

Where has Master Xehanort's excessive planning gotten him so far? Nowhere.

 

I expect Sora to win everytime because of protagonist power.