So... I'm tottaly into Dissidia game, but like most of Square Enix games... it has lots and lots of PLOTHOLES!

 

1- Which Wolrd, or which Final Fantasy game does Dissidia happens to follow/be? I think it's Final Fantasy I, because of the Warrior or Light and the ending.

 

2- Why are the gods fighting each other?

 

3- What's with the cycles? Why do they exist at all? Why did Chaos chose to end the world because of Cosmos, if he was the ONE who burned her to death?

 

4- Why does certain parts of the Dissidia world look exactly like some parts of other FF games?

 

5- Why does everyone of Comos's side have no memories at ALL? Why only a few of Chaos's have their full memories and other don't?  Why does the fighting gives them their memories?

 

6- If someone dies during a cycle, they perish forever, then how come most of them managed to survive until the 13th Cycle?

 

7- If the main 10 character were put to sleep/saved by Comos in order to live the next cycle... how come Kain, Tifa, Laguna, Lightning, Vaan and Yuna (who "died" during the fight agains the manikins, BEFORE Cosmos even doing her last skill in order to defeat msot of the puppets and save Warrior of Light, managed to get back home in safety?

 

8- When the Chaos and Cosmos learned how to summon warriors, why in the world did they chose Gabranth, Garland, PRISHE and... SHANTOTTO?! (Nice one, Comos.) And what happened to Shantotto and Prishe? We never go to see them ever gain in the game? Gabranth was defeated for good by Shantotto, didn't he?

 

9- Why were Terra, Tidus and Cloud picked up as bad guys? What they do on the original games were good, or... were they summoned because of the acts they did on the past and also because of their feelings? Cloud had a dark sad story because of Sephiroth, Aerith and Zack... Terra killed innocents because she was controled by Kefka. What about Tidus? Because of his dad?

 

10- Didn't Jecht die on the original game? How is he alive, then?

 

11- Does Dissidia happens during the middle of every FF game? Because some things cannot be explained if it's after.

 

10- Who is Cid? He's refred since the second Final Fantasy... who is he? What does he want? Is he the Moogle on Cenario 000?

 

11- Is Golbez good or bad? He tried to stay neutral to both causes. Same thing goes for Kuja.

 

11- How come that every single Chao's warrior can die countless times and still come back alive during the same cycle without having to wait for another cycle.

 

12- How do the Rules of the Cycle work, exactly? How do the warrior have to "die" or "sleep" in order to reborn again? How come if you persih in a certain way... you may as well begone for good or return home?

 

13- How come Cosmos appears on secret endings and secret reports afterwards if she was killed by Chaos?

 

And there are others thay may be added...

Edited December 3, 201311 yr by Marcomax

(Sorry,i've been answering your question,but due to my stupid internet connections,all the answers have been erased,sorry...)

 

 

Edited December 3, 201311 yr by Hazimie

Fool. Some of your understanding is misguided. As for most of your questions, it is all explained in the games. I suggest you play them, pay attention, and read every report, and your answers will come. None of what you mentioned is a plot hole.

You're thinking too hard about it. Dissidia isn't canon to any of the games, and the plot is just a silly excuse for these characters to all be in the same game.

All your answers :

 

Chaos's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_(Final_Fantasy)/Dissidia

 

Cosmos's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmos_(Dissidia)

 

Cid's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cid_of_the_Lufaine

 

Gabranth's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gabranth/Dissidia

 

Shantotto's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shantotto/Dissidia

 

Garland's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garland_(Final_Fantasy)/Dissidia

 

Cid - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cid

 

Cycles - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cycle

 

012/Duodecim's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dissidia_012_Final_Fantasy

 

013's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dissidia_Final_Fantasy

 

Scenario 000 - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Confessions_of_the_Creator

 

 

As i said,i've already answered all of your question at my previous post,but thanks to my stupid connection,it has been gone,so yeah,you just have to go this links i gave you for seeking answers...

You're thinking too hard about it. Dissidia isn't canon to any of the games, and the plot is just a silly excuse for these characters to all be in the same game.

Actually,it was canon to the Original Final Fantasy (FFI),kinda like FFVII's Crisis Core but Dissidia was not canon to other Final Fantasy Games,just the first one...

1. I believe it's the world of FF 1. The overworld map and town's names reference the first game.

 

2. Because both parties are being manipulated by Shinryu and Cid. Their memories and sense of purpose are sketchy, and believe that they must do battle on principle.

 

3. Partly, it's working with the story of the first Final Fantasy, where the world is trapped in a time loop. Within context of Dissidia, it's designed to have Chaos and Cosmos fight perpetually until the conflict manages to shake open the escape hatch for Cid. Honestly, I'm entirely certain how that one works.

 

Chaos snaps because he suddenly remembers that, once upon a time, he was very fond of Cosmos, and that this entire battle was something of a trick. Now that he's lost the only person who ever really cared for him, he gets a little mad.

 

4. The game is an homage to the series, so references are going to happen.

 

5. I always assumed that Cosmos's side has their memories wiped to try and blunt the trama of realizing they've been fighting for an eternity, as well as potentially make them more loyal to Cosmos's cause. As for why they keep losing their memories, Shinryu om-nom-noms on their memories during every cycle, which makes him more powerful in turn. Ditto for Team Chaos, only I gather that he really doesn't care as much about keeping their memories down, because their loyalty in tenuous at best anyways (also, it's more ironic that Chaos is more honest with his team than Cosmos). As for why they get their memories back from fighting: honestly, it's a plot device to drive a fighting game. What can you do?

 

6. It's mostly a matter of how badly they die. If they get the ever loving snot pounded out of them, it's game over. If it's flesh wounds, they might stand a better chance. Also, I think it has something to do with how long they've been doing this. Their bodies just get worn out after a while.

 

7. Who says they do?

 

8. Um, Gabranth is kind of a champ, Prishe is tough as nails, and Shantotto is incredibly powerful. Why wouldn't you summon them? As for what happens to them, it's assumed Prishe eventually fades, Shantotto manages to break through the Rift and escape, and Gabranth is sort of banished into a half-life area.

 

9. It's referencing their roles in the original games. Cloud used to work for Shinra, Terra used to work for the Ghestahl Empire, and Tidus's alter-ego may or may not have tried to blow the world up with a piano cannon.

 

10. All of the villains die in their original game.

 

11. Time's a bit hazy. I sort of assume that some people are taken from certain times in their lives, some from others, depending on what serves their purpose better.

 

10 v02. In this case, Cid is a scientist who once had a loving wife, invented Chaos, and then ran into trouble with the Feds. Eventually, he winds up in an alternate reality of the world he lives in, where he meets Shinryu. He makes a deal with the dragon to make him immortal, so that he might get to watch Chaos nuke the ever loving tar out of his enemies. IN return, Shinryu gets to munch on the memories of the people getting KOd. However, unbeknownst to Cid, Shinryu keeps rebooting the conflict, so he can keep eating memories. Thus, Cid begins to realize he needs a way out of the cycle, and to this end, has Chaos fight Cosmos in hopes of shaking up space and time enough so that he can escape.

 

11 v02. Golbez is Golbez.

 

11 v03. Never really explained. I think Chaos can just revive his guys, but I don't know why he has this perk when Cosmos doesn't.

All your answers :

 

Chaos's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Chaos_(Final_Fantasy)/Dissidia

 

Cosmos's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cosmos_(Dissidia)

 

Cid's past story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cid_of_the_Lufaine

 

Gabranth's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Gabranth/Dissidia

 

Shantotto's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Shantotto/Dissidia

 

Garland's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Garland_(Final_Fantasy)/Dissidia

 

Cid - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cid

 

Cycles - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Cycle

 

012/Duodecim's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dissidia_012_Final_Fantasy

 

013's Story - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dissidia_Final_Fantasy

 

Scenario 000 - http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Confessions_of_the_Creator

 

 

As i said,i've already answered all of your question at my previous post,but thanks to my stupid connection,it has been gone,so yeah,you just have to go this links i gave you for seeking answers...

Actually,it was canon to the Original Final Fantasy (FFI),kinda like FFVII's Crisis Core but Dissidia was not canon to other Final Fantasy Games,just the first one...

Pretty much this

 

Dissidia is actually a prequel to the original Final Fantasy(FF1) and it explains Garland's and Chaos's origins

 

But there is one thing that kinda confuses me,since characters from other games are here,does that mean the games are connected to each other but in a different era of the same planet??

 

and if so....is FF1 chronologically the last game in the continuity???

 

I mean...some people suggest that X-2(as much as I hate it) is a prequel to 7

10-If FFX-2 is really FFVII's prequel it mean that Cosmos and Chaos can summon warriors from different era of the same world so Cosmos brought Jecht when he was alive and like Dave said all the villains die at the end (most of them)

 

 

Pretty much this

 

Dissidia is actually a prequel to the original Final Fantasy(FF1) and it explains Garland's and Chaos's origins

 

But there is one thing that kinda confuses me,since characters from other games are here,does that mean the games are connected to each other but in a different era of the same planet??

 

and if so....is FF1 chronologically the last game in the continuity???

 

I mean...some people suggest that X-2(as much as I hate it) is a prequel to 7

Well,FF7 is on planet Earth and FFIX is on the planet Gaia so unless Gaia is Earth they are not from the same planet.

10-If FFX-2 is really FFVII's prequel it mean that Cosmos and Chaos can summon warriors from different era of the same world so Cosmos brought Jecht when he was alive and like Dave said all the villains die at the end (most of them)

 

 

Well,FF7 is on planet Earth and FFIX is on the planet Gaia so unless Gaia is Earth they are not from the same planet.

Gaia means earth

 

and Earth was called Gaia in the original FF7 but it was called just the planet in the other entries in the FF7 sub series

Since I have my connections back,might as well to answer your question one by one....

 

 

1 - There are two Worlds : World A and World B.World B is a world where the conflict between the warriors while World A is the world of the original Final Fantasy (FFI) and it's also the world where the Warriors of Cosmos return after defeating Chaos at the end of the 13th Cycle.

 

 

2 - First of all you gotta need to know more about Cid,Chaos and Cosmos's past.

 

Cid is revealed to be originally a great scientist of the Lufaine who studied the powers of Harmony and Discord, and discovered a way to use the Levistone's power to make airships. With the threat from neighboring countries who controlled summoned monsters and Omega, the government of Onrac was attempting to use crystal ore retrieved from a world through a portal to the Interdimensional Rift to make weapons. They created the first manikins, but they were mindless automatons. Onrac had Cid use the Lufenian memory rituals to infuse a manikin with memories from ten individuals, granting it a personality and a sense of self, and its body not crystalizing as the failed manikins had done. This "perfect" manikin was named Chaos.

 

Cid and his wife raised Chaos as their own son and grew to love him, and he returned their love. However, once he matured he was taken by Onrac to fight as a weapon of war. When Cid and his wife saw how the fighting was twisting him, they refused to help the state control Chaos, and were imprisoned. Cid and his wife fled the prison, using the monsters in the dungeon as decoys. They returned to the laboratories where they found Chaos, gaunt and weary from war and experimentation. In his company was another perfect manikin, this one based on Cid's wife to placate and control Chaos, and was named "Cosmos" to signify her role to bring order. Cid's wife briefly explained what had happened, and convinced Chaos to flee with them. During the escape Cid's wife was shot, and in his hatred Chaos opened a portal to the Interdimensional Rift, drawing himself, Cid and Cosmos into it. The three are pulled into World B where Garland appears before them, summoned to World B by unknown means. As it happens, the dragon Shinryu visits the world at the same time.

 

The five enter into a pact. Chaos and Cosmos would wage war using pawns summoned from other worlds, Shinryu would grant Cid the power to live without a body so he may observe the war from afar (If you hear the DIssidia's narrator's voice,that was supposedly Cid), and Garland would coax Chaos to fight Cosmos in spite of her resemblance to his mother. Each time the pawns summoned by Cosmos and Chaos grow weak, Shinryu will "purify" them, absorbing the memories and experience of the fallen warriors to grow stronger. In return they shall be revived to fight again, and after enough cycles of war Chaos will grow strong enough to open a portal to the Rift again, allowing them to return to World A.

 

 

3 - Unbeknown to the two factions, the wars are masterminded by Shinryu and Cid of the Lufaine, so that each time a faction wins the survivors are killed and everyone is revived to begin a new war. Cid wanted to refine Chaos into the ultimate weapon to take back to his original homeworld and seek vengeance on Onrac, the government that destroyed his family, while Shinryu would absorb the warriors' memories and experiences and become stronger.

 

 

4 - You could say that World B was a replica dimension worlds of every places they have from every Final Fantasy Games.

 

 

5 - At the end of the Cycle or if some of the warriors died in the middle of it,their memories will be a "repayment" for being revived and become more stronger than the last time they have fought in the previous cycles.But as soon as the warriors have been revived,their lost memories will return little by little when they fought the opposite warriors but some of the memories cannot be return such as memories of Lighting,Vaan,Laguna,Yuna,Tifa and Kain.

 

It is noted that Garland and Sephiroth was the only two warriors that has memories from the previous cycle.Since Garland was Chaos's right hand man,he has to have memories from the previous cycles in order to aid Chaos and it also being noted that Cid (also known as the Great Will)want Garland's favor that he has to guide Chaos in order to perfecting Chaos's power,so the memories of the previous cycles are necessary for Garland but for Sephiroth,it was different.During the 12th Cycles,Sephiroth took his own life in front of the Emperor.Though the other warriors of Chaos do not understand him why,Sephiroth did this to regain his full memories with total success.

 

 

6 - Referred to the question 5's answer...

 

 

7 - That's because Lightning and the rest didn't take part the conflict of the Gods since they were in the middle of "Stopping the Manikins Invasion".

 

After Cosmos sacrifices herself to destroy the manikins, Shinryu revives her and all her champions save for those beyond its ability to resurrect as they have died outside the conditions of the conflict: Lightning, Laguna, Kain, Yuna, Vaan, and Tifa.

 

 

8 - In the 1st through 11th Cycles,Cosmos and her warriors lost all these cycles. During the second cycle three warriors are said to be unable to withstand purification, and are not summoned again. It is unknown who they were.

 

With his body taken from him, Cid sequesters himself in the Chasm in the Rotting Land and continues his studies. Attempting to create a perfect manikin on his own, he successfully infuses a manikin with his own memories, and though the body doesn't crystallize, it shows no signs of will. Cid places this manikin amongst the summoned warriors and observes it being taken to Cosmos and receiving her power, and developing a strong will and resolve as it is accepted into the cycles of war. This manikin came to be known as the Warrior of Light.

 

The Warrior of Light appeared in an early cycle, Shantotto and Gabranth left the world through portals to the Rift, and Prishe disappeared forever after Garland defeated Cosmos. It is unknown if this is the second cycle, or a different one.

 

 

9 - What Dave said,it's their role in the original games...

 

 

10-I - What Dave said too,they will die in their original game...

 

 

11-I - Well since Dissidia was before the Original FF,the timelines on other FF games are might be different.

 

 

10-II - You could say that Cid was a cameo character from every Final Fantasy Games.As Cid in Dissidia,it is noted that this 'Cid' was the same person on the original Final Fantasy (FFI) which means Dissidia and FFI was connected.If you want to know more about Cid in Dissidia,you have to referred on question 2's answers...

 

 

11-II - Golbez is Golbez,that's how he is.And as for Kuja,he did want to protect Zidane from the Warriors of Chaos,but because of Kefka,he has to fight Zidane with force.During the 12th Cycle,as Kuja being defeated,Kefka planning to give false memories about Zidane to him by the time he will be revived again.Which means Kuja was being tricked by Kefka's plan and try to kill Zidane without hesitation.

 

 

11-III - Referred to question 5's answer...

 

 

12 - Referred to question 5's answer...

 

 

13 - For eleven cycles the war went on, but at the end of the twelfth cycle Cosmos uses her powers to protect the Warrior of Light from harm. Realizing she has come to care for them enough to risk her own life and that the summoned warriors are not mere pawns, Cid comes to grips with his misguided intentions. At the end of the thirteenth cycle Cid breaks his neutrality and teleports the Warriors of Cosmos to safety when they destroy Chaos and end the cycle of war on the 13th Cycle.

 

Shinryu was angered over Cid betraying their agreement, and spoke to Chaos as he died. Realizing his "father" had wished for his death to end the cycles, Chaos gave up his remaining power to Shinryu and agreed for Cid to be punished. Shinryu imprisoned Cid in a nightmare world where the cycles continued until Chaos absorbed enough power to become Feral Chaos, who destroyed all summoned warriors. In this alternate world, Cid was forced to take on the physical form of a Moogle and sealed Cosmos in the Chasm in the Rotting Land for her own safety. He also sealed himself within the cave's namesake gateway. With Cid and Cosmos beyond his reach, Feral Chaos turned his rage on Shinryu, and in his sleep Cid's memories faded. The moogles of the world came to know of Cid in rumors as the "mured moogle", but none of them could use the teleport stone to reach the gateway and investigate.

 

Eventually, in the storyline Confessions of the Creator/Scenario 000, five warriors (The warriors you picked)are called into the nightmare world through an unknown means, and Cid calls out to them to free him. The warriors free him and are directed by Cid to the Land of Discord, his memories awakening and Cid telling them the nightmare world's versions of events. At the Edge of Madness, the five warriors destroy Feral Chaos, shattering the nightmare world and freeing Cid. He returns to World B where Cosmos has been revived and invites her to accompany him on a new journey, but Cosmos refuses, choosing to remain to govern World B even though it is destined to collapse. Cid asks Cosmos for forgiveness and departs; his Museum profile states that he set out on "a journey to a new realm".

 

 

 

 

So yeah,i managed to answer them,hope you understand...

Edited December 4, 201311 yr by Hazimie

Hazimie:

 

(stuff...)

 

I know now... Oh my god, it makes so much sense now! Thank you...!

 

Sad to see that Warrior or Light is a puppet... I thought he was a real person, just forgot everything about his past, since he also doesn't got a name on the original FF. And when Garland spoek to Prishe by her now knowing who Warrior is... I thoguth that was because Warriro of Light managed to beat Garland to save the princess, but since Dissidia is a prequel to the first FF...

 

Too bad that Prishe didn't return... did she died forever, or did she managed to get back home?

Edited December 4, 201311 yr by Marcomax

I know now... Oh my god, it makes so much sense now! Thank you...!

 

Sad to see that Warrior or Light is a puppet... I thought he was a real person, just forgot everything about his past, since he also doesn't got a name on the original FF. And when Garland spoek to Prishe by her now knowing who Warrior is... I thoguth that was because Warriro of Light managed to beat Garland to save the princess, but since Dissidia is a prequel to the first FF...

 

Too bad that Prishe didn't return... did she died forever, or did she managed to get back home?

Let's just say she died during the conflict but being reborn on her own world (FFXI),but this is just a hypothesis,i could be wrong...

Let's just say she died during the conflict but being reborn on her own world (FFXI),but this is just a hypothesis,i could be wrong...

I don't think Square would liek to send important character of their games into death. And, let's face this... or believe on it. All character were taken from their world during the middle of the game, right? It wouldn't make sense if they were taken during the opening or during the end.