It just doesn't add up. Roxas and Namine' are "Nobodies", but the way they were created would make that impossible. They were all born from Sora's body, and Sora literally has his body and his soul intact after he returns from being a Heartless, he has his body. So how do Namine' and Roxas even exist? They couldn't be Nobodies, because they weren't made from a body and a soul. So I believe Roxas (yes I know this point has been made, but it isn't the main point of my thread) literally is Ven. There is no other possible thing he could be. Namine'....is still unexplainable. Some people think Ven's heart had some influence on her, but if that was true, she would have the same color hair as Ven, just like Roxas does. Another point to make. I saw a thread asking who talked to Roxas on Day 3. A lot of people said, it has to be Ven. This could further back up my claim. I will explain. Scenario #1: Sora released Ven's heart, yadda yadda yadda, and it found itself into Ven's body, but a completely new being was formed, still being Ven. A person "born from sleep". Ven's conscious or thoughts linger in his body, and when "Roxas" is created, he is able to access those thoughts.

 

What do you think about this whole thing? Do you think Roxas is truly Ven? Who do you think Namine truly is?

wow,you have some really good points there...i was thinking alot of the same things,like if sora and kairi got there bodies back,how do roxas and namine exist?Who's bodys are they using?And when does releasing your heart make a heartless and nobody?I thought your heart had to be consumed by darkness for that to happen...and also,if Vens heart is resting within Soras,shouldnt it have been released at Hallow Bastion in KH1?uh oh,it seems i answered your questions with more questions...sorry lol.guess im useless haha

 

btw,great picture

and this is supposed to be a kids game : )

and this is supposed to be a kids game : )

 

hahaha i see what u mean,all this talk about hearts,darkness,and existence...pretty deep stuff

yes a very good theory once again SoraKing. You back up your facts very well, yes I do believe that Ven is inside Roxas' heart because he showed a bunch of emotions in 358/2 Days and some emotions in KH2, but I do believe that Namine is a nobody because in CoM and 358/2 Days, and KH2, I believe that she hardly shows any emotions.

Well, Roxas definitely is a Nobody. He has Sora's Body and his Soul. At the end of 1, all throughout CoM, and at the beginning of 2, Sora is technically a Heartless, except Kairi reverted him into the shape of a human in Hollow Bastion. However, when Roxas was made, Ven's Heart, which was inside of Sora, passed along into Roxas, which is why he had emotions. So in other terms, he was basically a human (having all three requirements), but he was born through the process that a Nobody is born. Therefore, he is a Special Nobody.

 

As for Namine, she is also a Special Nobody. But her existence itself is basically just a giant middle finger to all established laws of their universe. Even DiZ states in his reports that Namine made no sense. Basically, she was born through Sora's Body, but with Kairi's Heart. But because Kairi's Heart had no darkness (being a Princess), a Heartless was never born. However, Sora's did turn into a Heartless, thus tricking Kairi's Heart into spawning a Nobody, somehow. So, basically, Namine should have never existed, yet she still does.

 

Hope this clears it up for ya.

 

but I do believe that Namine is a nobody because in CoM and 358/2 Days, and KH2, I believe that she hardly shows any emotions.

 

Well, yes, she is a Nobody, but she definitely does have emotions. She felt lonely all throughout CoM, feared for Sora's life when the Riku Replica tried to kill him. Was scared when Axel tried to kill her. Was sad for Roxas at the beginning of 2. And was happy when she finally was able to return to Kairi. Among other things...

 

 

and this is supposed to be a kids game : )

 

hahaha i see what u mean,all this talk about hearts,darkness,and existence...pretty deep stuff

 

Meh, not really deep. Just overly complicated.

Well, Roxas definitely is a Nobody. He has Sora's Body and his Soul. At the end of 1, all throughout CoM, and at the beginning of 2, Sora is technically a Heartless, except Kairi reverted him into the shape of a human in Hollow Bastion. However, when Roxas was made, Ven's Heart, which was inside of Sora, passed along into Roxas, which is why he had emotions. So in other terms, he was basically a human (having all three requirements), but he was born through the process that a Nobody is born. Therefore, he is a Special Nobody.

 

As for Namine, she is also a Special Nobody. But her existence itself is basically just a giant middle finger to all established laws of their universe. Even DiZ states in his reports that Namine made no sense. Basically, she was born through Sora's Body, but with Kairi's Heart. But because Kairi's Heart had no darkness (being a Princess), a Heartless was never born. However, Sora's did turn into a Heartless, thus tricking Kairi's Heart into spawning a Nobody, somehow. So, basically, Namine should have never existed, yet she still does.

 

Hope this clears it up for ya.

 

but I do believe that Namine is a nobody because in CoM and 358/2 Days, and KH2, I believe that she hardly shows any emotions.

 

Well, yes, she is a Nobody, but she definitely does have emotions. She felt lonely all throughout CoM, feared for Sora's life when the Riku Replica tried to kill him. Was scared when Axel tried to kill her. Was sad for Roxas at the beginning of 2. And was happy when she finally was able to return to Kairi. Among other things...

 

 

and this is supposed to be a kids game : )

 

hahaha i see what u mean,all this talk about hearts,darkness,and existence...pretty deep stuff

 

Meh, not really deep. Just overly complicated.

 

wow,great theory

Well, Roxas definitely is a Nobody. He has Sora's Body and his Soul. At the end of 1, all throughout CoM, and at the beginning of 2, Sora is technically a Heartless, except Kairi reverted him into the shape of a human in Hollow Bastion. However, when Roxas was made, Ven's Heart, which was inside of Sora, passed along into Roxas, which is why he had emotions. So in other terms, he was basically a human (having all three requirements), but he was born through the process that a Nobody is born. Therefore, he is a Special Nobody.

 

As for Namine, she is also a Special Nobody. But her existence itself is basically just a giant middle finger to all established laws of their universe. Even DiZ states in his reports that Namine made no sense. Basically, she was born through Sora's Body, but with Kairi's Heart. But because Kairi's Heart had no darkness (being a Princess), a Heartless was never born. However, Sora's did turn into a Heartless, thus tricking Kairi's Heart into spawning a Nobody, somehow. So, basically, Namine should have never existed, yet she still does.

 

Hope this clears it up for ya.

 

but I do believe that Namine is a nobody because in CoM and 358/2 Days, and KH2, I believe that she hardly shows any emotions.

 

Well, yes, she is a Nobody, but she definitely does have emotions. She felt lonely all throughout CoM, feared for Sora's life when the Riku Replica tried to kill him. Was scared when Axel tried to kill her. Was sad for Roxas at the beginning of 2. And was happy when she finally was able to return to Kairi. Among other things...

 

 

and this is supposed to be a kids game : )

 

hahaha i see what u mean,all this talk about hearts,darkness,and existence...pretty deep stuff

 

Meh, not really deep. Just overly complicated.

 

Thanks for clearing that up, but there is one more question that stands after that. How the holy hell is Sora able to wield a Keyblade if he's a Heartless?

Because despite being a heartless, Sora has a heart. So the keyblade only sees the heart is chose, while Sora has no reason to fear the keblade.

Though personally I think that Kairi just restored Soras body, but it was incomplete, which is why Sora had to fuse with Roxas.

If Roxas really is Ven, then how come when he was created, he appeared in twilight town if Ven's body was in C.O.?

Roxas has a heart, so he's not a real Nobody.

If Roxas really is Ven, then how come when he was created, he appeared in twilight town if Ven's body was in C.O.?

 

maybe it's just random? i dont know, it would make more sense that way though,

There's one thing I don't understand about this; Namin

If Roxas really is Ven, then how come when he was created, he appeared in twilight town if Ven's body was in C.O.?

 

The logic behind Kingdom Hearts is pretty f'd up, if Roxas is Ven, there probably wouldn't be an answer to your question.

 

 

 

 

 

But anyways, I have another point to add to my theory. Maybe Roxas isn't Ven's body, but his heart dwells inside of him. But that wouldn't explain why Roxas took on the form of Ventus, not Sora, considering the fact that Roxas is Sora's body and soul. This is one of the reasons I think Roxas is Ventus.

 

 

Another point to add (off topic though). This whole complex event backs up my other theory about Master Xehanort having a Heartless and a Nobody, because essentially he did the same thing Sora did with releasing his heart. Sora became a Heartless after he removed his heart without it falling to the darkness, so why couldn't the same thing happen to Master Xehanort? Just something to think about.

but roxas has to have a heart inside him which must be vens because he cried which is something nobodies cant do and he also had true feelings for xion something that the rest of the organisation cudnt have even if they tried

That's true. We're all positively sure he has a heart.

the creator said that ven and roxas have no connection although i think that they do because soras heart and vens heart share the same body so roxas could actually be vens nobody.Also namine is kairis nobody. dont have to become a heartless to get a nobody you just have to lose your heart. after all kairi did lose hers in kh1

It just doesn't add up. Roxas and Namine' are "Nobodies", but the way they were created would make that impossible. They were all born from Sora's body, and Sora literally has his body and his soul intact after he returns from being a Heartless, he has his body.

 

That's not his body. Both Sora's body and soul were confirmed to be with Roxas at the time. Kairi purified Sora's heart with her PoH powers and gave him a human form.

 

So how do Namine' and Roxas even exist? They couldn't be Nobodies, because they weren't made from a body and a soul.

Roxas is a Nobody by definition, since he is the body and soul left behind when his Somebody became a Heartless. Ven's heart was just a little something extra.

 

Nobody really knows what Namine is, aside from her having Kairi's sense of self. They all call her a Nobody because they don't know what else to call her.

 

I read this awesome theory on KHInsider a few months ago completely explaining Roxas and Namine. Can't remember what it's about, but essentially, Namine is the magic spell Aqua left in Kairi's necklace.

 

Edit: Here it is http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/149593-roxas-namine-revisted.html

wow, what that guy at khinsider said really made sense! nice find!

wow i never thought of that.i saw in kh bbs that ven basically had his soul (heart) going around floating while he was asking sora 2 bond 1 more time.....that brings up another question....when was the first time?

wow i never thought of that.i saw in kh bbs that ven basically had his soul (heart) going around floating while he was asking sora 2 bond 1 more time.....that brings up another question....when was the first time?

 

4 years before BBS, shortly after MX extracted the dark half of Ven's heart to create Vanitas. He took Ven to DI, and upon arrival, Ven encounted Sora's heart on its way to enter Sora's newborn body. Sora's heart lets Ven connect his heart with his to complete it until he's able to do it on his own.

Wow. Thanks for showing me that theory, that cleared my thing up about Roxas. I'm still eh about the part where he was talking about Namine. If she was made to help Kairi, she wouldn't have even done all of those things to Sora. But overall it was good. Now I just need some answers for my MX theory. But thanks again.

If Roxas really is Ven, then how come when he was created, he appeared in twilight town if Ven's body was in C.O.?

 

good question,maybe its cuz TT is located in between Light and Darkness just like CO...who knows though

If Roxas really is Ven, then how come when he was created, he appeared in twilight town if Ven's body was in C.O.?

 

Roxas is Ven in the sense that he holds Ven's identity, his heart. Yet he is also Sora because he is Sora's body and soul.

 

But anyways, Nobodies are born in inbetween worlds. Twilight Town happens to be one.

but I do believe that Namine is a nobody because in CoM and 358/2 Days, and KH2, I believe that she hardly shows any emotions.

 

wrong wrong wrong

 

Examples of Namin

+1 internets for you Soraking!

 

I've always thought that was the case, but couldn't really explain it well to others. Nice work!