Hi all! So let me preface this by saying that while I did play the original KH, I only became a serious fan in the last year and a half. I finally played through all the games and think I have a good grasp on the story. With that said, the theory I have likely has holes in it as I haven't seen a lot of interviews or read the ultimania guide. So please feel free to correct anything wrong or explain why something won't work. Onward!

 

So, here are the knowns:

 

Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ventus' heart.

Sora merged his heart with Ven's at his birth and later Ven merged his with Sora's again to give him time to recuperate.

Roxas is Sora's Nobody but nobodies can gain a heart over time.

Xion is essentially an attempt to replicate Sora (essentially a clone?)

 

Ok, with that said, here's my thought process:

 

If Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ven's heart and heartless are born from the darkness in people's hearts, then by definition, Vanitas is Ven's heartless. So, it is possible that Vanitas is the first ever heartless that was "created."

 

Now, normally this would mean a nobody would be born, BUT, due to circumstance, this didn't happen. Why?

 

At the time of his birth, Sora merged his heart with Ven's to make it whole. So, Sora's body would have been born without a heart. Like an empty shell. So, in theory, Sora was born a Nobody. Possibly the first ever true born Nobody? It is known that at some point Sora's heart returned to him. Or maybe it didnt! It's known that nobodies can gain a heart of their own, right?

 

At the end of BBS, Ven's heart merged again with Sora. So now Sora has his own heart, his previous heart, and a portion of Ven's heart inside of him.

 

At the end of KH 1, we know Sora unlocked his own heart to free Kairi's, creating Roxas and his own heartless. But, if he was able to free Kairi's heart, did he release Ven's as well? If so, where did it go?

 

Roxas would be special because, though he can gain his own heart, he would essentially be the nobody of a nobody who gained his own heart.

 

Xion was created as a duplicate of Sora. Is it possible that when Sora released Kairi's heart that Ven's merged with her because of the similarity?

 

If all this is true (and I know how complex/out of left field it is), the we know one more thing as fact:

 

When a persons heartless and nobody are destroyed, the original is recreated, right?

 

So, in theory:

 

In order for Ventus to be completely restored to his full former self, Vanitas, Sora, and by association, Roxas and Xion, must be destroyed.

 

Could be a great plot detail in my opinion, even if it is complex and a bit hair-brained. But sacrifice seems to be a major theme in this story.

 

Thoughts?

They'd never kill off Sora.

 

As for Sora being born without a heart, I think the concept of hearts works a little different in this case. Earlier in the series it is said that peoples hearts can be together even if they are far apart. So that would mean that Sora's hearts wasn't "inside" Ventus, but moreso lending the extra strength to regain a full heart by bonding with Terra and Aqua.

 

Anyways, I think overthinking this is a bit pointless, because Nomura will probably throw a curveball at us at the end.

 

(Sorry for bad english, it's late )

Edited December 27, 201410 yr by Kotomi

Hi all! So let me preface this by saying that while I did play the original KH, I only became a serious fan in the last year and a half. I finally played through all the games and think I have a good grasp on the story. With that said, the theory I have likely has holes in it as I haven't seen a lot of interviews or read the ultimania guide. So please feel free to correct anything wrong or explain why something won't work. Onward!

alright, let's go

 

 

So, here are the knowns:Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ventus' heart.Sora merged his heart with Ven's at his birth and later Ven merged his with Sora's again to give him time to recuperate.Roxas is Sora's Nobody but nobodies can gain a heart over time.Xion is essentially an attempt to replicate Sora (essentially a clone?)

so far so good

 

 

If Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ven's heart and heartless are born from the darkness in people's hearts, then by definition, Vanitas is Ven's heartless. So, it is possible that Vanitas is the first ever heartless that was "created."

Only by that very vague definition. There's more to a Heartless than simply being made of darkness. More what happeend is Xehanrot created a sort of antithesis to the Princesses of Heart, a being with a heart of pure darkness. It's not quite the same, since Vanitas' heart was incomplete, but it shares more of a relationship with that than a simple Heartless

 

Now, normally this would mean a nobody would be born, BUT, due to circumstance, this didn't happen. Why?

Because a Nobody is a body, and Ventus' body was still around, sheltering what was left of Ventus' heart

 

 

At the time of his birth, Sora merged his heart with Ven's to make it whole. So, Sora's body would have been born without a heart. Like an empty shell. So, in theory, Sora was born a Nobody. Possibly the first ever true born Nobody? It is known that at some point Sora's heart returned to him. Or maybe it didnt! It's known that nobodies can gain a heart of their own, right?

Er... no. Sora's heart was complete, it simply let Ventus' heart use some of its power. The closest they come to a fusion is when Ventus' shattered heart takes sheler in Sora's body at the end of BBS

 

 

At the end of BBS, Ven's heart merged again with Sora. So now Sora has his own heart, his previous heart, and a portion of Ven's heart inside of him.

Ventus' heart simply takes shelter in Sora, like Kairi's. There's no fusion going on here

 

 

At the end of KH 1, we know Sora unlocked his own heart to free Kairi's, creating Roxas and his own heartless. But, if he was able to free Kairi's heart, did he release Ven's as well? If so, where did it go?

It did free Ven's heart, which went into Roxas, which is why Roxas looks like Ventus rather than Sora

 

Roxas would be special because, though he can gain his own heart, he would essentially be the nobody of a nobody who gained his own heart.

A Nobody of a Nobody is just a Nobody. The moment you have a heart you stop being a Nobody, and becoming one again just repeats the process

 

 

Xion was created as a duplicate of Sora. Is it possible that when Sora released Kairi's heart that Ven's merged with her because of the similarity?

Why would his heart jump ship to a puppet when he has a perfectly good body to store him?

 

 

If all this is true (and I know how complex/out of left field it is), the we know one more thing as fact:When a persons heartless and nobody are destroyed, the original is recreated, right?

Correct. The heart returns to the body and they reform in Traverse Town or another world between

 

 

So, in theory:In order for Ventus to be completely restored to his full former self, Vanitas, Sora, and by association, Roxas and Xion, must be destroyed.Could be a great plot detail in my opinion, even if it is complex and a bit hair-brained. But sacrifice seems to be a major theme in this story.Thoughts?

Well first off, Vanitas was destroyed, so no issue there. Second, how did Sora become Ventus' Nobody in this situation? Ven still has a body, it's sleeping in Castle Oblivion. Next, this flies completely in the face of the recent game's constantly theme of Sora fixing everybody's' pain, including Roxas Xion and Axel. Beyond that, is sacrificing FOUR people really worth it to revive just one?

While this theory is interesting, unfortunately you've seemed to have misunderstood quite a few things. (Which isn't hard, the KH plot is uber complicated).

First of all, while Vanitas could, by definition of "darkness made real", be seen as Ven's Heartless, he's just actually the darkness extracted from Ven, nothing more. He's actually an Unversed. If he were Ven's Heartless, Ven's body would've disappeared, the only reason Kairi's didn't was because no darkness within her. Ven's only became a heart of pure light after Vanitas was extracted. When Vanitas was destryoed, Ven's heart was supposed to be destroyed, but becuase his heart was similar to Kairi's and already connected to Sora's heart, that's where it went while his body remained.

Secondly, Sora's and Ven's hearts didn't completely merge; Sora connected their hearts so Ven could survive after having the darkness from him extracted. So, Sora was born as a regular person-just already connected to someone.

Third: When Sora released his, Kairi's and Ven's hearts, Ven's took refuge within Roxas. That's why they look exactly alike. Roxas is Sora's Nobody but with Ven's heart. That's why he was able to wield 2 Keyblades at the end of Days when Roxas regained his full power after Xion's demise. Roxas also grew a heart of his own, making himself his own person.

Numero Quatro: Xion had Sora's memories of Kairi and a part of Roxas' strength. This is why she had a Keyblade and looked like Kairi to most people. She only looked like Ven to Xigbar because her appearance depends on her viewer's strongest memories.(I felt this might have caused some confusion). If she had not been destroyed, she would've completely absorbed Roxas, maybe even Ven's heart.

Hi all! So let me preface this by saying that while I did play the original KH, I only became a serious fan in the last year and a half. I finally played through all the games and think I have a good grasp on the story. With that said, the theory I have likely has holes in it as I haven't seen a lot of interviews or read the ultimania guide. So please feel free to correct anything wrong or explain why something won't work. Onward!So, here are the knowns:Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ventus' heart.Sora merged his heart with Ven's at his birth and later Ven merged his with Sora's again to give him time to recuperate.Roxas is Sora's Nobody but nobodies can gain a heart over time.Xion is essentially an attempt to replicate Sora (essentially a clone?)Ok, with that said, here's my thought process:If Vanitas was created from the darkness in Ven's heart and heartless are born from the darkness in people's hearts, then by definition, Vanitas is Ven's heartless. So, it is possible that Vanitas is the first ever heartless that was "created."Now, normally this would mean a nobody would be born, BUT, due to circumstance, this didn't happen. Why?At the time of his birth, Sora merged his heart with Ven's to make it whole. So, Sora's body would have been born without a heart. Like an empty shell. So, in theory, Sora was born a Nobody. Possibly the first ever true born Nobody? It is known that at some point Sora's heart returned to him. Or maybe it didnt! It's known that nobodies can gain a heart of their own, right?At the end of BBS, Ven's heart merged again with Sora. So now Sora has his own heart, his previous heart, and a portion of Ven's heart inside of him.At the end of KH 1, we know Sora unlocked his own heart to free Kairi's, creating Roxas and his own heartless. But, if he was able to free Kairi's heart, did he release Ven's as well? If so, where did it go?Roxas would be special because, though he can gain his own heart, he would essentially be the nobody of a nobody who gained his own heart.Xion was created as a duplicate of Sora. Is it possible that when Sora released Kairi's heart that Ven's merged with her because of the similarity?If all this is true (and I know how complex/out of left field it is), the we know one more thing as fact:When a persons heartless and nobody are destroyed, the original is recreated, right?So, in theory:In order for Ventus to be completely restored to his full former self, Vanitas, Sora, and by association, Roxas and Xion, must be destroyed.Could be a great plot detail in my opinion, even if it is complex and a bit hair-brained. But sacrifice seems to be a major theme in this story.Thoughts?

Um, wow. Yeah, you did get quite a few things wrong there.For one thing, though Vanitas was born from Ventus's darkness, he is not Ven's heartless. What Xehanort did was split Ven's heart in half. Vanitas was the dark half of Ven's heart, while Ven was left with his light half. He was so weak at the time though that newborn Sora had to link his heart with Ven's to keep him from fading away. Sora didn't "give up his heart" in order to do that, their hearts simply "touched". Sora was born with a heart just like everyone else, the only difference being that his heart was connected to someone else's heart. Due to that connection, Vanitas looked like Sora. When Ven beat Vanitas, he finally became whole again, but destroying the X-Blade destroyed his heart, so he had to reside within Sora in order to recuperate.Also, when Sora released Kairi's heart, his heart turned into a heartless, but Kairi's pure light "restored" him to a human form. However, Sora's true body was Roxas, his nobody. Since Sora's body held Ven's heart, Ven's heart naturally exists within Roxas's body. So while Roxas could have grown his own heart eventually, he already had one this whole time. Xion never had Ven's heart within her. As a replica, she's supposed to be an empty doll, but in a way she developed a "heart" of her own. Until Sora and Roxas were reunited, Sora spent the whole year between KH1 and KH2 as a "pseudo heartless", having a human form and his mind being as normal as ever, but without Roxas (his true body) he was incomplete.So no, Sora and co. do not necessarily have to disappear in order for Ven to come back. Roxas may have held Ven's heart while he was his own person, by the time he fused with Sora it returned to Sora. Similarly, Xion faded into Sora because she had been holding onto Sora's memories of Kairi, which were integral to him waking up. And when Vanitas showed up in Dream Drop Distance, that was Ven's heart reacting when Sora was face to face with Young Xehanort. So everybody is in Sora right now. All Sora would have to do to wake Ven up is return his heart to him. How everybody else is supposed to return is a mystery, but the solution for Ven is pretty clear.

No no no no no! Too complex! Even Nomura would not come up with all of that! Vanitas is the darkness of Ventus's heart. He said he had a heart in BbS when he took Ven's over and forged the X-blade. No heartless can do that! Roxas is Ventus with no memories because Ven's heart still sleeps. Xion is a nobody meant to hold Sora's vital memories. Nothing more or less than that.