OK, guys, before starting the topic, I would like to make it clear: I already know there is a Lady and the Tramp statue in the Third District of Traverse Town in every game this world is present and that we can visit the Dalmatians's Den in this world (TT), too. However what I'm going to talk about here is the idea of these characters's world appearance, and not just a cameo.

 

So, this past weekend, I rewatched both Lady and the Tramp movies (I love both films with all my heart very much and equally. Yes, not everybody hates Disney sequels. At least, not me) and both 101 Dalmatians movies (the 1961 animated movie and the 2003 sequel, not the 1996 live-action movie and its 2000 sequel, OK?), and gotta tell you guys: why not put these worlds in KH3 or any other future title?

 

Why's that? Simple: because both movies (the original movies and its sequels) have a lot of potential, especially in the villains/plot part. Didn't we see in the D23 2013 trailer a swarm of Shadow Heartless going after Sora in Twilight Town? And didn't we see in KH3D that the Cornerstone of Light wasn't enough to protect Disney Castle from Maleficent and Pete? Its powers was getting weakened due to the strong influence of darkness, most certainly because of Xehanort and his new Organization, right?

 

But, let's get back to the real point: A Lady and the Tramp's and 101 Dalmatians's worlds would be fitting in KH series (especially in KH3, but that's just my opinion, OK? Maybe they might appear in any other future installment), since there are lots of antagonists in both movies and that could be related to what I mentioned in the previous paragraph: darkness is growing stronger, thus, there are (might be) more villains in the worlds in KH3. Besides, let's be honest: Lady and the Tramp is a romance movie, so, this special world could serve as a way to inspire Sora to finally express his feelings for Kairi about how much she's important to him (or how much he loves her) and vice-versa (I know they have done this multiple times in the series, except the love-tell-stuff, and those times proves us many things, but, still, I would like to see them confess their feelings to each other, this time with words, and not just making it appear like they're an unofficial couple. I want them to act like an official couple). Guys, please: if Sora (and other human characters) can understand what Goofy and Donald (as well as other animal characters and even gargoyles) says very clearly, why wouldn't he be able to communicate with Lady and Tramp? He could help Tramp and Lady get closer to each other (since he has done that many times with other couples before, right?), take them to any place to be alone (especially the restaurant where the dogs perform the famous sphagetti scene) and many other things, such as helping Tramp fighting that Rat (while shrunk inside the house, just like Ventus and Aqua in Castle of Dreams and Sora in Wonderland, but this only when inside the house due to an unknown factor) while protecting the baby in the crib. After this battle, the plot would follow the original movie, however, while that evil old lady (Aunt Sarah) locks Tramp in the wardrobe and Lady in the basement and calls the dog pound to take Tramp away, her two siamese cats (Si and Am) hide the Rat's body to blame Lady and Tramp even further (as Aunt Sarah thought both dogs were trying to harm the baby) (I've heard/read in some sites, after lots of researches, that these cats really did that in a novelization of the original movie, so this could work for the game, just like that scene in Aqua's chapter in Castle of Dreams, which wasn't on the original movie, where Cinderella and the Prince finally meet/reunite again). So Sora and co's mission would be fight the cats and take the proof (the dead body, of course, not seen nor shown on screen, since this is a Disney game) back to the room where he fought the Rat just in time for Lady's owners to arrive and see. As they go after the dogcatcher to rescue Tramp, Sora and co (in their normal sizes) would have to reach the car before it reached the dog pound (that dog Trusty could help them track down which way the car went). As Sora and co, Lady and her owners and Trusty are about to release Tramp, the car where the dog is trapped would actually transform into a monstrous Heartless ready to take down Tramp, but Sora and co save him of course, defeat the Heartless and then Tramp is adopted by Lady's owners, marries her and has those four puppies seen in the end of the first film. If KH3 have a "visit-the-same-world-twice" like KH2, then the plot could follow Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure, with Sora and co trying to convince Scamp to return home with his father and all the plot would, obviously, going to be the same as the movie. And please, don't tell me/don't come with: "Ah, it's a very short time between Sora's two visits in the same world for the puppies to have already been born and grown up a bit". Really? Then how you guys explain to me the second time we visit Pride Lands, Nala mentions Simba will be a father and Kiara (their daughter) is shown in the credits scenes already? You see? Time really flows differently in each world, so this wouldn't be a problem. After his adventures in this world (Lady and the Tramp's world) are over, he could finally get inspired to tell Kairi his true feelings about her (maybe at the ending of the game after the final battle, who knows), seeing Lady and the Tramp's and Scamp and Angel's relationships.

 

As for the 101 Dalmatians, since we have nothing (no details) on what events happened/were happening in their homeworld before it was swallowed by the darkness and then Pongo and Perdita (the parents) ended up in Traverse Town with the puppies scattered in a group of 3 in chests in other worlds, the plot could follow the original movie, with Cruella, Jasper and Horace kidnapping the puppies and Sora and co having to save all of them again. In the second visit, the plot would follow the original movie's sequel, and with Patch (one of the puppies) wanting to be different from his siblings, who obviously, are all Dalmatians, that could certainly serve as a lesson to Sora that, for example, even if he and Roxas are "somebody" and a "nobody" and both inhabit the same body, they're in no way the same person. Each person, no matter how similar they might look (Patch and his siblings, Sora and Roxas/Roxas and Ventus), they're in no way the same being. Different minds, different hearts, different thoughts, so this world could really be helpful in the plot (as well as Lady and the Tramp's one) to some extent.

 

Oh, and please, don't come also with: "These films have very real-world places like London, it wouldn't work out very well". So what? London and the Big Bang clock are seen in KH1 (London is even mentioned by name by Wendy in Re: CoM), The Emperor says the word "China" in KH2, Phil says "Greece" in BBS, a map of Africa was seen in Deep Jungle's tent and nobody complained. So I'm pretty sure the staff could come with a creative name for these worlds, couldn't they?

 

PS: I know, I know, there are/there might be plenty of other Disney worlds/films who could replace these 2 worlds I mentioned, however, I would like to see these worlds specifically, because, aside from "A 100 Acre Woods" and "Deep Space", which other worlds already shown in KH have talking animals as the main characters (I can't remember any now)? Besides, Lady and the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians would be good choices for new "old" worlds, since EVERY game has worlds based on movies produced/released before or after Walt Disney's death, right?

 

So, guys, please leave here your thoughts/opinions on this post. Let me know them. What did you guys think of it?

 

Love and peace...

Edited January 14, 201510 yr by SRKTVAMDGRLXN

Oh. I don't really see how that happened either, but alright. Then again, its been a while since I've seen HoND. lol

 

I think it was because of how "controversial" Frollo was in the movie, and Nomura didn't want to get into any trouble regarding religious issues, so he just made him a d***

I think it was because of how "controversial" Frollo was in the movie, and Nomura didn't want to get into any trouble regarding religious issues, so he just made him a d***

 

Well sans the "controversy", all token Disney villains are like that, aren't they? lol

Well sans the "controversy", all token Disney villains are like that, aren't they? lol

 

True, but Frollo's personality was great due to the controversy

 

Take that away, and what do we have?

 

A run of the mill, cereal add villain

True, but Frollo's personality was great due to the controversy

 

Take that away, and what do we have?

 

A run of the mill, cereal add villain

 

Do we really need religious themes being put in this series anyway? We have enough somewhat heavy stuff, I don't think shoehorning in Frollo's damnation nonsense needed to happen. lol

I honestly don't know and I don't see it happening.

Well, the plot of the sequel is about a puppy who feels lost among his siblings (due to all of them being Dalmatians, of course) and he wants to develop his own character, he wants to be different. Since Sora/Roxas and Roxas/Ventus are very much alike, maybe Roxas wants to develop his own character, and not just be known as "Sora's Nobody", you understand?

Well, the plot of the sequel is about a puppy who feels lost among his siblings (due to all of them being Dalmatians, of course) and he wants to develop his own character, he wants to be different. Since Sora/Roxas and Roxas/Ventus are very much alike, maybe Roxas wants to develop his own character, and not just be known as "Sora's Nobody", you understand?

 

So what you're proposing is that Roxas visit a 101D world now... I'm gonna have to say no.

So what you're proposing is that Roxas visit a 101D world now... I'm gonna have to say no.

Not, not Roxas (directly)...However, since he's inside Sora (as he's Sora's Nobody) (and suppose the latter visit the world), that could serve as a lesson to him (Roxas), right? To become a real person, and not just living on the shadow of someone else...

Not, not Roxas (directly)...However, since he's inside Sora (as he's Sora's Nobody) (and suppose the latter visit the world), that could serve as a lesson to him (Roxas), right? To become a real person, and not just living on the shadow of someone else...

 

I don't think we need dogs to learn that lesson. Let's save that as something to explore in the actual plot.

I don't think we need dogs to learn that lesson. Let's save that as something to explore in the actual plot.

We're visiting Disney worlds, my friend...Almost everything is illogical (like a walking and talking dogs, mice and ducks). Then you could also assume "A 100 Acre Wood" did nothing to move the plot forward, while 101 Dalmatians (the sequel, at least) and Lady and the Tramp has some elements that could fit in KH3's plot (be it in major scale or not).

We're visiting Disney worlds, my friend...Almost everything is illogical (like a walking and talking dogs, mice and ducks). Then you could also assume "A 100 Acre Wood" did nothing to move the plot forward, while 101 Dalmatians (the sequel, at least) and Lady and the Tramp has some elements that could fit in KH3's plot (be it in major scale or not).

 

You didn't understand what I meant by that. I meant that the lesson is so heavy handed and integral to Roxa's character that the main catalyst of him learning that lesson shouldn't come from dogs. It should come from a conflict that's more tied to the main storyline.

You didn't understand what I meant by that. I meant that the lesson is so heavy handed and integral to Roxa's character that the main catalyst of him learning that lesson shouldn't come from dogs. It should come from a conflict that's more tied to the main storyline.

But that doesn't mean Disney worlds can't help a (little) bit, right? Which other Disney world/film has this same theme (being different from others)? I cant' recall any...

But that doesn't mean Disney worlds can't help a (little) bit, right? 

 

No. Because like I said, the lesson is too heavy handed. Roxas isn't living in the shadow of Sora. He is literally a shadow of Sora because he is his Nobody. His entire existence was brought about only because Sora lost his heart, and after he sought to establish his own identity, it was ripped away from him when he merged together once more with Sora, the longing of wanting to be his own person still within his mind. (Granted, it doesn't seem that way considering his behavior in DDD, but it has to, because if he didn't, why else would he need to be "saved"? Why else would there be so much emphasis on making it an big deal that he becomes his own person? I'm sure that he stills want to be with Lea, Xion, Namine, and his Twilight Town friends).

 

The point I'm trying to make here is that some lost puppy trying to live up to some big shot (yes, I've seen the movie and that's exactly what the plot is about) doesn't compare with Roxa's struggle. I'm not trying to dress down the moral in 101 Dalmatians II but if you compare the conflict between the two scenarios, Roxas's dilemma makes 101DII's look like a cheesy, adventure movie.

No. Because like I said, the lesson is too heavy handed. Roxas isn't living in the shadow of Sora. He is literally a shadow of Sora because he is his Nobody. His entire existence was brought about only because Sora lost his heart, and after he sought to establish his own identity, it was ripped away from him when he merged together once more with Sora, the longing of wanting to be his own person still within his mind. (Granted, it doesn't seem that way considering his behavior in DDD, but it has to, because if he didn't, why else would he need to be "saved"? Why else would there be so much emphasis on making it an big deal that he becomes his own person? I'm sure that he stills want to be with Lea, Xion, Namine, and his Twilight Town friends).

 

The point I'm trying to make here is that some lost puppy trying to live up to some big shot (yes, I've seen the movie and that's exactly what the plot is about) doesn't compare with Roxa's struggle. I'm not trying to dress down the moral in 101 Dalmatians II but if you compare the conflict between the two scenarios, Roxas's dilemma makes 101DII's look like a cheesy, adventure movie.

But we've learned that the somebody and the nobody of a person can exist separately, can't they (or at least in Sora-Roxas case, since nobodies are able to grow a heart of their own)? Even if he separates from Sora, as long as Sora carries Ventus's heart inside him, Roxas will still resemble Ventus. But, when Ventus's heart is returned to his original owner, Roxas's appearance might change and he might resemble Sora more (since nobodies actually resemble their somebodies). So, either way, to differ himself from his "twins", he should, at least, have a personality of his own (not just be a physical copy of someone else). I just don't understand how you can't see the similarities between this and 101 Dalmatians 2 (not criticizing you, OK? Just asking).

But we've learned that the somebody and the nobody of a person can exist separately, can't they (or at least in Sora-Roxas case, since nobodies are able to grow a heart of their own)? Even if he separates from Sora, as long as Sora carries Ventus's heart inside him, Roxas will still resemble Ventus. But, when Ventus's heart is returned to his original owner, Roxas's appearance might change and he might resemble Sora more (since nobodies actually resemble their somebodies). So, either way, to differ himself from his "twins", he should, at least, have a personality of his own (not just be a physical copy of someone else). I just don't understand how you can't see the similarities between this and 101 Dalmatians 2 (not criticizing you, OK? Just asking).

 

I just really don't think dogs need to be in this game... though I wouldn't mind the 99 Dalmatians side quest returning, because it was kind of fun. lol

I just really don't think dogs need to be in this game... though I wouldn't mind the 99 Dalmatians side quest returning, because it was kind of fun. lol

But, who knows? Maybe if they were in the game, your thoughts/opinion could change "magically" due to KH's magical charisma...

But, who knows? Maybe if they were in the game, your thoughts/opinion could change "magically" due to KH's magical charisma...

 

Maybe, or maybe not. Let's wait until the game comes out in twenty years, then I'll get back to you on that.

Maybe, or maybe not. Let's wait until the game comes out in twenty years, then I'll get back to you on that.

40 years is the best guess, my friend...

I like how you mention how sora and company are able to understand all types of characters, and give an explanation on to how it can work without animal transformation.

I like how you mention how sora and company are able to understand all types of characters, and give an explanation on to how it can work without animal transformation.

Who, me? If so, thank you. You see, when Sora, Donald and Goofy (and Pete) visited Pride Lands, they HAD TO be transformed in animals because that world doesn't have any human activity, so the transformation was necessary to fit with the world's law, you understand? This same thing can be said about Halloween Town (and Christmas Town) and The Grid/Space Paranoids. Atlantica is a separate case because most of the adventures in that world takes place under the sea and not out of it.

But, in both Lady and the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians, there are humans around, so Sora and co don't need to be transformed in animals to communicate with the dogs (and humans), as they (the trio) could pretty much understand what both of them say. Seriously, Sora didn't even have to be transformed in 100 Acre Wood (a world inhabited only or mostly by animals), nobody in that world thought it was strange to have a human around and the boy understands perfectly what all the animals there say, so why this formulla can't be used again for both LatT and 101D, you see?

Who, me? If so, thank you. You see, when Sora, Donald and Goofy (and Pete) visited Pride Lands, they HAD TO be transformed in animals because that world doesn't have any human activity, so the transformation was necessary to fit with the world's law, you understand? This same thing can be said about Halloween Town (and Christmas Town) and The Grid/Space Paranoids. Atlantica is a separate case because most of the adventures in that world takes place under the sea and not out of it.

But, in both Lady and the Tramp and 101 Dalmatians, there are humans around, so Sora and co don't need to be transformed in animals to communicate with the dogs (and humans), as they (the trio) could pretty much understand what both of them say. Seriously, Sora didn't even have to be transformed in 100 Acre Wood (a world inhabited only or mostly by animals), nobody in that world thought it was strange to have a human around and the boy understands perfectly what all the animals there say, so why this formulla can't be used again for both LatT and 101D, you see?

Well the whole Hundred Acre wood thing is mostly because Sora is pretty much taking the role of Christopher Robin.  As for 101 dalmatians that really wouldn't make sense having a  transformation as they have already met Sora in person, and there are humans in their world.

Well the whole Hundred Acre wood thing is mostly because Sora is pretty much taking the role of Christopher Robin (1).  As for 101 dalmatians (3) that really wouldn't make sense having a  transformation as they have already met Sora in person (2), and there are humans in their world (4)

1) and 2) This...

3) and 4) LatT too right?

1) and 2) This...

3) and 4) LatT too right?

Only reason I didn't mention Lady and the Tramp was because the only thing we get of them is that small reference from that fountain in Traverse Town.

Only reason I didn't mention Lady and the Tramp was because the only thing we get of them is that small reference from that fountain in Traverse Town.

But they still could make an appearance, right? Remember back in KH1, Wonderland, there was a painting of the Mad Hatter and the March Hare and then in KHX, they finally appeared...

But they still could make an appearance, right? Remember back in KH1, Wonderland, there was a painting of the Mad Hatter and the March Hare and then in KHX, they finally appeared...

Sure they could make an appearance, I'm just stating why I didn't mention them. Mad hatter also has a shop in Traverse town.  

 

 

Just adding this in because i forgot, but with the 101 dalmatians world I'm just confused about the plot due to the total 101 all being acquired at the end of the movie after Cruella dies, which would mean that going through all the worlds, and finding all the lost puppies might of happened after the events of the movie?

Edited February 16, 20169 yr by lehahiah81

Sure they could make an appearance, I'm just stating why I didn't mention them. Mad hatter also has a shop in Traverse town.  

 

 

Just adding this in because i forgot, but with the 101 dalmatians world I'm just confused about the plot due to the total 101 all being acquired at the end of the movie after Cruella dies (1), which would mean that going through all the worlds, and finding all the lost puppies might of happened after the events of the movie (2)?

1) She doesn't...

2) Or before, who knows?

Edited February 16, 20169 yr by SRKTVAMDGRLXN