...it would be pretty badass to have these 2 worlds in KH3.

 

Why no dog-sora? Simba-Sora was awesome

more cute animal!Soras please

Why no dog-sora? Simba-Sora was awesome

But The Lion King didn't have human characters, so, in that case, it was fitting

 

more cute animal!Soras please

If Sora can clearly understand what a "talking-walking-on-two-legs dog" (Goofy) says and even what Donald says, why wouldn't he be able to understand (in his human form) talking "real" dogs?

But The Lion King didn't have human characters, so, in that case, it was fitting

 

 

That's like saying Merman-Sora shouldn't exist in KH 1 or 2 or that there shouldn't be Toy-Sora if there is a Toy Story World

Edited January 15, 201510 yr by Heartless Plush

If Sora can clearly understand what a "talking-walking-on-two-legs dog" (Goofy) says and even what Donald says, why wouldn't he be able to understand (in his human form) talking "real" dogs?

In Lady and the Tramp, the dogs were able to talk to each other but not to humans. Goofy is just....a weird case cuz he's a bipedal dog with pants but Pluto isn't, even though they're from the same cartoon. Mickey and friends don't exactly follow the rules of other Disney characters/movies since they're their own thing, I guess.

 

Also, look at the dalmations in KH1, they can talk to each other in the movie but they don't (and probably can't) say anything to Sora.

Edited January 15, 201510 yr by KazeNari

That's like saying Merman-Sora shouldn't exist in KH 1 or 2 or that there shouldn't be Toy-Sora if there is a Toy Story World

But TLK didn't have ANY human character, it was just wild life...The Little Mermaid had human characters, half-fish-half-human characters (and most of the story is focused under the sea, hence why Sora needed a merman form), and in Toy Story 1, Woody scared Sid when the toy talked to the boy, so the interaction IS possible...

In Lady and the Tramp, the dogs were able to talk to each other but not to humans. Goofy is just....a weird case cuz he's a bipedal dog with pants but Pluto isn't, even though they're from the same cartoon. Mickey and friends don't exactly follow the rules of other Disney characters/movies since they're their own thing, I guess.

 

Also, look at the dalmations in KH1, they can talk to each other in the movie but they don't (and probably can't) say anything to Sora.

Donald is a powerful wizard, my friend...If, in KH1, before landing on Atlantica, the duck transformed himself and his 2 friends in aquatic creatures to adapt to the local environment, he can surely cast a spell to make himself and his allies understand animal language. As for Pluto, you're right, I can't remember watching any episode of his where he really talks, so that's understandable...Same goes for Abu (the monkey) and Pascal (chameleon)...If the dogs/other animals can't communicate with the Keyblade wielder, they should at least have the ability to understand what the boy's saying (like Stitch in BBS) and vice-versa.

I personally just think Tramp (and maybe lady) Should be summons. I don't think their stories are KH World worthy

I personally just think Tramp (and maybe lady) Should be summons. I don't think their stories are KH World worthy

Why don't you read this post and see if it can convince you to change your opinion/mind?

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/83499-lady-and-the-tramp101-dalmatians-in-kh3/

Why don't you read this post and see if it can convince you to change your opinion/mind?

 

http://kh13.com/forum/topic/83499-lady-and-the-tramp101-dalmatians-in-kh3/

That's good, I like the idea. But not for KHIII. I think the worlds' stories should be more grandiose for the finale of the xehanort chronicles.  But that's just me. Maybe as a start to a new saga? I could see that then 

Edited January 15, 201510 yr by Heartless Plush

 If Sora can clearly understand what a "talking-walking-on-two-legs dog" (Goofy) says and even what Donald says, why wouldn't he be able to understand (in his human form) talking "real" dogs?

its like this for anything including a world centered around anthropomorphic animals. its usually seen with birds or pets -Hello kitty is a cat, but also has a cat for a pet in mlp the world is *generally* run by horses with of course a few verbal animals here and there. other animals are used as well, "animals" though, as Celestia has a pet phoenix. Slavery much?and of course with most talking animal thingy blah blah that applies.just because an animal talks doesnt mean theyre anthro, though. as the uh *ahem* furries describe it, the animal is either feral or anthro - "feral" meaning more animal-like, walking on four legs, no clothes, etc. anthro fictional animals will walk on two legs, maybe wear clothing, and their hind legs me be adjusted for walking/sitting ability reasons.Yes its weird as hell that there can be a feral dog (pluto) and an anthro one (goofy), but its one of those things thats too silly to bother analyzing i dont think theres ever any explanation for it, just know that ferals are usually the "pets" whereas anthros are not. so sora cant talk to feral animals in his normal form, IF they dont have the power to speak in a human language. he can only talk to goofy cause hes anthro, but talk to anything when hes in his animal forms. like in twilight princess

That's good, I like the idea. But not for KHIII. I think the worlds' stories should be more grandiose for the finale of the xehanort chronicles.  But that's just me. Maybe as a start to a new saga? I could see that then 

Many people suggested me that too. However, I just thought it would be a good idea for KH3, because, like you said, this is the end of the Xehanort saga. During his journeys so far (and no doubt he'll continue doing that in his next adventures), he has helped many couples come closer and fall in love, right? And, after all these times, he still didn't have the courage to tell Kairi his true feelings for her (even though we clearly know how much the girl is important to him). To tell you the truth, the only times he has helped some couples come closer and he remembered Kairi were the end of the first visit in Port Royal (when the duck realizes his cheek is red) and in Halloween Town's final visit (where he imagines himself dancing with Kairi). And then, even after these times and even after reuniting with her in TWTNW, he still said nothing to her. Since I would rather them to be/act like an official couple by the time the next saga starts/comes, this world (Lady and the Tramp) could be a good opportunity to inspire Sora to finally reveal his feelings for Kairi (it might help move the plot if only a little bit, but it would). You understand what I mean? However, there would be no harm if this world were in the next game(s), as long as it appears in a game...

its like this for anything including a world centered around anthropomorphic animals. its usually seen with birds or pets -Hello kitty is a cat, but also has a cat for a petin mlp the world is *generally* run by horses with of course a few verbal animals here and there. other animals are used as well, "animals" though, as Celestia has a pet phoenix. Slavery much?and of course with most talking animal thingy blah blah that applies.just because an animal talks doesnt mean theyre anthro, though. as the uh *ahem* furries describe it, the animal is either feral or anthro - "feral" meaning more animal-like, walking on four legs, no clothes, etc. anthro fictional animals will walk on two legs, maybe wear clothing, and their hind legs me be adjusted for walking/sitting ability reasons.Yes its weird as hell that there can be a feral dog (pluto) and an anthro one (goofy), but its one of those things thats too silly to bother analyzing i dont think theres ever any explanation for it, just know that ferals are usually the "pets" whereas anthros are not. so sora cant talk to feral animals in his normal form, IF they dont have the power to speak in a human language. he can only talk to goofy cause hes anthro, but talk to anything when hes in his animal forms. like in twilight princess

But Tramp (from Lady and the Tramp) isn't an anthro dog and he still talks (making him more feral, but with the ability to talk), unlike Pluto, who can be considered a complete feral dog, since there are almost no episodes where he really "talks".

Donald is a powerful wizard, my friend...If, in KH1, before landing on Atlantica, the duck transformed himself and his 2 friends in aquatic creatures to adapt to the local environment, he can surely cast a spell to make himself and his allies understand animal language. As for Pluto, you're right, I can't remember watching any episode of his where he really talks, so that's understandable...Same goes for Abu (the monkey) and Pascal (chameleon)...If the dogs/other animals can't communicate with the Keyblade wielder, they should at least have the ability to understand what the boy's saying (like Stitch in BBS) and vice-versa.

"Donald is a powerful wizard" That doesn't matter. If he had the ability to make people talk to animals but still keep them human, he would've done it before. He could've done it in Deep Jungle where there were gorillas. The other instances where Sora was able to communicate with animals was because they're were capable of human speech in the films they came from.

Also, for Atlantica, Donald transformed himself and his friends into creatures that aren't human, which goes against what you're trying to say. Plus, if there was a Lady and the Tramp world, it'd be more fun to play as an animal!Sora because the world would be bigger for a dog. It's totally possible for Sora to still be human and be able to talk to animals but a fun alternative would be to make Sora a cute puppy (or cat, since Tetsuya Nomura's a cat person).

Edited January 15, 201510 yr by KazeNari

"Donald is a powerful wizard" That doesn't matter. If he had the ability to make people talk to animals but still keep them human, he would've done it before. He could've done it in Deep Jungle where there were gorillas. The other instances where Sora was able to communicate with animals was because they're were capable of human speech in the films they came from.

Also, for Atlantica, Donald transformed himself and his friends into creatures that aren't human, which goes against what you're trying to say. Plus, if there was a Lady and the Tramp world, it'd be more fun to play as an animal!Sora because the world would be bigger for a dog. It's totally possible for Sora to still be human and be able to talk to animals but a fun alternative would be to make Sora a cute puppy (or cat, since Tetsuya Nomura's a cat person).

But the gorillas never spoke a word in the game (unlike the movie), so there was no need for Donald to make them understand animal language.

Like I said/wrote before, the majority of Atlantica's story takes place under the sea, so, in this case, the wizard duck needed to transform himself and his allies in aquatic creatures (to adapt to the environment), since humans normally can't breath under water.

I politely disagree on this one, because dogs can run faster than human (after we learned that ability in Pride Lands [what was that again? Dash something], which can't remember the name now, exploring the world became less time-consuming and that took out the fun a little bit), and besides, if Flowmotion returns in KH3, how will Sora be able to perform those crazy moves while in his dog form?

Let's not forget too, that the Lady and the Tramp movie had that final battle with the Rat, so imagine Sora (in his dog form) teaming up with Tramp (both dogs would probably be the same size) to defeat the little rodent. Unless the darkness in the little rodent's heart summoned a Heartless who would be twice both dogs's size, this fight would be unfair. So, that's why, I prefer Sora and his friends, just while they remain inside the house, to be shrunken (again, due to an unknow factor, just like what happened to Ventus in Castle of Dreams in BBS), to make things more balanced (unless the latest option, the big Heartless, is considered).

But the gorillas never spoke a word in the game (unlike the movie), so there was no need for Donald to make them understand animal language.

Like I said/wrote before, the majority of Atlantica's story takes place under the sea, so, in this case, the wizard duck needed to transform himself and his allies in aquatic creatures (to adapt to the environment), since humans normally can't breath under water.

I politely disagree on this one, because dogs can run faster than human (after we learned that ability in Pride Lands [what was that again? Dash something], which can't remember the name now, exploring the world became less time-consuming and that took out the fun a little bit), and besides, if Flowmotion returns in KH3, how will Sora be able to perform those crazy moves while in his dog form?

Let's not forget too, that the Lady and the Tramp movie had that final battle with the Rat, so imagine Sora (in his dog form) teaming up with Tramp (both dogs would probably be the same size) to defeat the little rodent. Unless the darkness in the little rodent's heart summoned a Heartless who would be twice both dogs's size, this fight would be unfair. So, that's why, I prefer Sora and his friends, just while they remain inside the house, to be shrunken (again, due to an unknow factor, just like what happened to Ventus in Castle of Dreams in BBS), to make things more balanced (unless the latest option, the big Heartless, is considered).

There may not have been any actual talking from the gorillas in KH1, they were still communicating with Tarzan and he relayed whatever they were saying to Sora and co. The game devs could've had the gorillas talk but they chose not to.

 

The only reason why Pride lands was so "small" wasn't because Sora could run really fast. It's cuz it was literally empty. The Savannah was just one big flat space, the path to the rainforest area is so linear that there's no need to explore, and the elephant graveyard and Pride rock were tiny areas. For Lady and the Tramp, the setting is a town, A ZOO, the pound, maybe even inside Lady's house and if Sora's a tiny dog going through all this, the world would be huge compared to if he were a person. Also, take a look at the game Okami, you play as a dog that can run really fast but the world around her is still HUGE because there was stuff to do all over the place and lots of explorable areas; so it's totally possible for the world around dog!Sora to be big, it just needs to have stuff in it.

 

"The wizard duck needed to transform himself and his allies in aquatic creatures (to adapt to the environment), since humans normally can't breath under water." Well then, if Sora were to go to the zoo with Lady and Tramp, it'd be easier to sneak past the guard if he were a dog than if he were a human. And wouldn't it be strange for Sora, if he were human, to hang around with other people's dogs? Like, he's supposed to barge into someone's house uninvited to save their baby from getting attacked by a rat? It'd look less weird if he were a dog while doing this. And flowmotion isn't even confirmed for KH3 so I don't even know why you brought that up; the game could have a completely different mechanic. And if it was confirmed, then Square Enix probably wouldn't put a Lady and the Tramp world in KH3 to begin with.

 

"Let's not forget too, that the Lady and the Tramp movie had that final battle with the Rat" Bosses in KH aren't limited to the main antagonist in Disney films. Sora could fight a dog catcher or the Siamese cats as a dog and it would make sense/be fair, just saying.

 

I'm ending this discussion because we're seriously hypothesizing way too much about a movie that might not even be a world in a future Kingdom Hearts game. All I'm saying is that I'd like for there to be more instances of Sora being a cute animal; it could happen or not at all and I wouldn't mind whatever decision Square makes.

Edited January 15, 201510 yr by KazeNari

Why no dog-sora? Simba-Sora was awesome

Cause lack of orginality. People will think this again huh.

The dinosaur movie can work.

There may not have been any actual talking from the gorillas in KH1, they were still communicating with Tarzan and he relayed whatever they were saying to Sora and co. The game devs could've had the gorillas talk but they chose not to.

 

The only reason why Pride lands was so "small" wasn't because Sora could run really fast. It's cuz it was literally empty. The Savannah was just one big flat space, the path to the rainforest area is so linear that there's no need to explore, and the elephant graveyard and Pride rock were tiny areas. For Lady and the Tramp, the setting is a town, A ZOO, the pound, maybe even inside Lady's house and if Sora's a tiny dog going through all this, the world would be huge compared to if he were a person. Also, take a look at the game Okami, you play as a dog that can run really fast but the world around her is still HUGE because there was stuff to do all over the place and lots of explorable areas; so it's totally possible for the world around dog!Sora to be big, it just needs to have stuff in it.

 

"The wizard duck needed to transform himself and his allies in aquatic creatures (to adapt to the environment), since humans normally can't breath under water." Well then, if Sora were to go to the zoo with Lady and Tramp, it'd be easier to sneak past the guard if he were a dog than if he were a human. And wouldn't it be strange for Sora, if he were human, to hang around with other people's dogs? Like, he's supposed to barge into someone's house uninvited to save their baby from getting attacked by a rat? It'd look less weird if he were a dog while doing this. And flowmotion isn't even confirmed for KH3 so I don't even know why you brought that up; the game could have a completely different mechanic. And if it was confirmed, then Square Enix probably wouldn't put a Lady and the Tramp world in KH3 to begin with.

 

"Let's not forget too, that the Lady and the Tramp movie had that final battle with the Rat" Bosses in KH aren't limited to the main antagonist in Disney films. Sora could fight a dog catcher or the Siamese cats as a dog and it would make sense/be fair, just saying.

 

I'm ending this discussion because we're seriously hypothesizing way too much about a movie that might not even be a world in a future Kingdom Hearts game. All I'm saying is that I'd like for there to be more instances of Sora being a cute animal; it could happen or not at all and I wouldn't mind whatever decision Square makes.

* Are you serious? It was clearly written in the entrance sign of the zoo: "NO DOGS ALLOWED". Do you really think it would be easier for Sora to try to sneak past the guard in his dog form than in his human form? If the guard caught him, he would probably be sent to the dogpound.

* No, it's not weird/strange. He has done that a few times with Pluto and even with the Dalmatian Puppies and their parents back in KH1 (and all of them mentioned here already have their owners).

* You could also say the very same thing about Ventus and Aqua when they visited Castle of Dreams. Didn't they both invaded Lady Tremaine's house (who is also Cinderella's) to help Cinderella get ready for the ball and try on the glass slipper, respectively (although the Tremaines have never met/found Ventus, because the unknown magic/spell cast on him wasn't temporary, but permanent, unlike Aqua's case, where, after a while, she returned to her normal size and was spotted by the three evil women)? Like I said/wrote before (in a post I made, click here to read it: http://kh13.com/forum/topic/83499-lady-and-the-tramp101-dalmatians-in-kh3/ ), Sora and co (in Lady and the Tramp's world) would be shrunken inside the house-only. When they decide to leave the house, they will revert back to their original sizes.

* "It'd look less weird if he were a dog while doing this"? I don't think so. Try to catch up with me: After the battle with the Rat, that evil old woman (Aunt Sarah), wakes up due to the baby's cries and she thinks both Lady and the Tramp were trying to harm the baby. She then locks Tramp in a closet and Lady in the basement, and calls the dogcatcher to take Tramp away. If Sora was in his dog form during all of this, Aunt Sarah would have surely sent Sora to the dogpound, too, thinking he was also trying to hurt the baby. If that happened, how would Sora help Lady prove Tramp's innocence? Contrary to this, if Sora was only shrunken while battling the Rat, after the battle, because of the baby's cries, Lady and/or Tramp could tell him to hide to avoid being spotted by anybody. While hidden, he witness the evil old woman locking both dogs and those two siamese cats (Si and Am) hiding the Rat's body to blame Lady and Tramp even further (After lots of researches in different sites, I found out that, in the novelization of the original animated movie, the cats really did that, while in the movie itself, they didn't. So this feature could be used in the game to give Sora even more reason to help both dogs. Just like Ursula's death in KH2. The way she dies in the game is completely different from the original animated movie, and yet, it [the way she dies in KH2] was the way she was originally supposed to die in scrapped versions of the movie). So Sora would have to fight Si and Am, retrieve the Rat's dead body (never shown, nor seen, since this is a Disney game) and return it in time to the room where the battle with the Rat took place just before Lady's owners arrived and figured out what happened. As they (Sora and co and Lady and her owners) {Remember that, since Sora and co are outside the house by now, they return to their normal sizes, OK?} go after Tramp to rescue him from being sent to the pound, Sora could use Trusty (Lady's neighbour dog) to track down which way the dogcatcher went and try to reach him and his car before he arrived on the dogpound. Just as everybody is about to release Tramp from the car, this "car" would actually reveal itself to be a monstrous Heartless ready to take out Tramp. But Sora saves him right in time (before the incident happened, obviously), of course, defeats/kills the Heartless and then Tramp is adopted by Lady's owners (for saving the baby) just like in the film. Now you tell me: how would Sora be able to do all of this (saving and helping Lady and Tramp) if he were on his dog form, having the risk of being sent to the pound?

* I honestly imagine more easily Sora and co fighting the Rat first as the primary antagonist of the movie, the siamese cats as mini-bosses (just like Pete) and then the Heartless "car" (the "dogcatcher" himself would actually be part of an illusion created by the Heartless to not have its cover blown-up. The Heartless itself is a twisted version of the dogcatcher's car) as the final boss (in KH2's Olympus Coliseum first visit, we fight Hades [to no use], Cerberus, Pete and the Hydra, so multiple bosses in one visit wouldn't be that much of a problem).

* I'm sorry, aren't these the objectives of forum threads? To share opinions/thoughts? Discuss ideas? Tell each other what would you like to see in the next game? Dream about future features? And how do you know this world might not be in future KH titles? You have any proof of it? Besides, this thread could have been about any other Disney movie, having it the chance to appear as a world in the series or not.