EDIT: This is an old post. There are things in this post that I no longer think or agree with. Read with a grain of salt.

 

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Kingdom Hearts is my favorite series and I love many things about it. But, the only thing that actually aggravates me about this series is that death is meaningless. Whenever we kill a villain, they always come back by some bullshit method and whenever a good character dies, we get told that there's a way to bring them back. They act like a character dying is sad and they act like a character dying should make us sad or impact us in some way, but then just bring back the character/say the character can be brought back. This makes death absolutely meaningless and makes it so we feel no emotion when a character dies. Yes, we might feel a little emotion since we're seeing a character watch them die get sad and that rubs off on us, but we know that that character can easily come back so it's no where near as sad as it would be.

 

Maleficent dies but comes back because the three fairies remembered her. Oogie Boogie dies but comes back because apparently Maleficent has the ability to bring people back from the dead. Ursula dies but comes back in some weird phantom form because apparently Xehanort has the ability to make that happen. Xion, Roxas, and Namine "die" but we get told that there's a way to bring them back. Eraqus dies but apparently his heart was able to take refuge within Terra. Xehanort, Lea, Isa, Braig, Dilan, Aeleus, Ienzo, and Even are all back because apparently your original self returns if your Heartless and Nobody are destroyed. Turns out Ansem the Wise didn't actually die, he just got sent to the Realm of Darkness for some reason somehow. Xemnas and Ansem Seeker of Darkness died but they're back because time travel.

 

These are the most bullshit methods I've ever heard. Well, I guess the whole original person returning because Heartless/Nobody getting destroyed isn't that bad, but everything else I mentioned is complete bullshit.

 

I remember playing Kingdom Hearts II when I was like 6 and getting very emotional when Roxas and Namine formed back with Sora and Kairi and I remember playing 358/2 Days when I was like 9 and getting very emotional when Xion died. But, it turns out none of that mattered. It turns out they can just come back. What was the point? What was the point of having those emotional scenes if they can just come back? These characters coming back completely destroys and gets rid of my sad emotions for these characters. It completely undermines the emotional experiences I had playing through those games for the first time. Dream Drop Distance completely destroyed the Kingdom Hearts plot in my opinion. Having Disney villains come back by bullshit means isn't that aggravating since they're considered pretty unimportant when compared to the main characters, but when Dream Drop Distance came along and told us that all these characters came back and told us that all these other characters *can* come back, I was speechless. How could they do this? How could they just completely make all these characters I loved's deaths just mean absolutely nothing when they meant so much to me and impacted me so much?

 

Whenever I'd go replay the games and watch Roxas and Namine fuse back with Sora and Kairi or watch Xion die, I'd get emotional. But now, whenever I see those scenes, I feel nothing, because I know that any character can just come back.

 

I've seen people asking "what would ruin KH3 for you?" People reply with things such as "if the gameplay plays like Birth by Sleep or Dream Drop Distance", "if the graphics are bad", "if the final boss is anticlimactic", and "if it turns out Xehanort isn't the true villain", but the only thing that could ruin Kingdom Hearts III for me is if Xion, Roxas, and Namine return. The only thing that could ruin Kingdom Hearts III for me is if they rip those emotional moments from my past right out of my memories. And the sad thing is is I know they are going to do that. Now don't get me wrong, Kingdom Hearts III looks fantastic. Gameplay looks like it might be the most fun I'll ever have playing a game, graphics look great, cutscenes look interesting and exciting, but man, having Xion, Roxas, and Namine return would really be a downer. It wouldn't completely ruin the game for me, but it would definitely leave a substantial bitter taste in my mouth.

 

Am I the only one who feels this way? I can't be, right? I can think of a few other shows/games where a dead character returns and people are furious, so who else here feels the same way about KH? And I have a question for people who don't feel this way: "Why don't you feel this way?" Did you just not get emotional over their deaths to begin with so you won't care if they return?

 

Sorry for the long post. It's just, I haven't seen anyone else feel this way (I've actually only seen people feel the opposite way), so I had to vent and get this out of my system. Please, Square Enix, let Roxas, Namine, and Xion rest in peace.

Edited September 16, 20178 yr by Elfdemon_

Not necessarily. A Keyblade would only release a heart if the wielder chooses to and must be a Master. To quote Xehanort Report No. 9:

 

"We Keyblade Masters have a special gift. We can extract a heart, be it our own or that of another."

 

Seeing as the Keyblade can slice skyscrapers, it's safe to assume that a Keyblade can kill someone by cutting/stabbing/whatever.

kinda unrelated but  I also remember that Xehanort report No.7 said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of light and another of darkness.........which was bullshit as we found out later

 

What's stopping them from making it so that the keyblade cannot kill?

 

As far as I know you need a keyblade to release hearts from the heartless as any other weapon won't be able to do so and it's safe to assume that regardless of the status of master that you'd be able to release someone's heart

 

The Master status is nothing but an approval process otherwise how was the very first keyblade wielder in existence was able to use it if there was no master to give him the title

 

The way I see it is that the master status is something given to you by the keyblade not by necessarily another master

But in order to really kill someone in the KH universe then how can they do it with the keyblade?

 

Cuz when a keyblade stabs a person it releases their heart never killing them so if they defeated Xehanort using the keyblade then he'll become a heartless and his body would become a nobody again and the cycle goes on

 

It might be a powerful weapon capable of unlocking the hearts of men but the keyblade cannot kill and at best if you didn't become a heartless your heart goes to Kingdom Hearts waiting for an eventual resurrection

Everything you are asking will all be explained in Kingdom Hearts 3, so I don't know why your asking me, it could either be a specific Keyblade or they just couldn't do it with Xehanort

kinda unrelated but  I also remember that Xehanort report No.7 said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of light and another of darkness.........which was bullshit as we found out later

 

What's stopping them from making it so that the keyblade cannot kill?

 

As far as I know you need a keyblade to release hearts from the heartless as any other weapon won't be able to do so and it's safe to assume that regardless of the status of master that you'd be able to release someone's heart

 

The Master status is nothing but an approval process otherwise how was the very first keyblade wielder in existence was able to use it if there was no master to give him the title

 

The way I see it is that the master status is something given to you by the keyblade not by necessarily another master

Yes, a Keyblade releases a heart from  a Heartless for good, otherwise, the hearts would just turn back into Heartless... but why are you bringing this up? Why did you bring up the X-Blade?

 

You were asking if the Keyblade could kill and said that if someone stabs someone with a Keyblade they release a heart, to which I corrected with the Xehanort Report.

Everything you are asking will all be explained in Kingdom Hearts 3, so I don't know why your asking me, it could either be a specific Keyblade or they just couldn't do it with Xehanort

Will KH3 actually explain everything?

 

That's the biggest question here cuz I'm not confident they'll do so and if they did I hope it's not in a half-assed manner

Yes, a Keyblade releases a heart from  a Heartless for good, otherwise, the hearts would just turn back into Heartless... but why are you bringing this up? Why did you bring up the X-Blade?

 

You were asking if the Keyblade could kill and said that if someone stabs someone with a Keyblade they release a heart, to which I corrected with the Xehanort Report.

I brought the X-Blade example because Xehanort reports aren't entirely accurate

 

in BBS Xehanort said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of pure light and another one of pure darkness

 

That turned out to be bullshit as in DDD we knew it's 7 hearts of light and 13 of darkness

 

It's easy to assume that whoever told them that only a master can do it were lying out of their ass and it's not farfetched that the older masters before them were hiding a lot of details from their pupils just to keep them in check from discovering what they're not supposed to know...............which Xehanort did with all his experiments + the book of prophecies 

 

The reports from Xehanort are mostly thesies of his research that he proved some of but didn't prove the other

kinda unrelated but  I also remember that Xehanort report No.7 said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of light and another of darkness.........which was bullshit as we found out later

 

What's stopping them from making it so that the keyblade cannot kill?

 

As far as I know you need a keyblade to release hearts from the heartless as any other weapon won't be able to do so and it's safe to assume that regardless of the status of master that you'd be able to release someone's heart

 

The Master status is nothing but an approval process otherwise how was the very first keyblade wielder in existence was able to use it if there was no master to give him the title

 

The way I see it is that the master status is something given to you by the keyblade not by necessarily another master

Actually  we don't know every single one of the keyblade's powers it might even be possible for them to release souls, in fact Vanitas I believe was actually going to kill Aqua until Ventus stepped in. The first keyblade wielder would have been someone who had the X-Blade, as the keyblade's are artificial versions of that Keyblade. Also I think the only reason why Xehanort said that he needed was heart of light and one of darkness, was because he had no better plan, and it seemed like the most practical for him, as well as it being a special Kingdom Hearts that shows up

Will KH3 actually explain everything?

 

That's the biggest question here cuz I'm not confident they'll do so and if they did I hope it's not in a half-assed manner

I brought the X-Blade example because Xehanort reports aren't entirely accurate

 

in BBS Xehanort said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of pure light and another one of pure darkness

 

That turned out to be bullshit as in DDD we knew it's 7 hearts of light and 13 of darkness

 

It's easy to assume that whoever told them that only a master can do it were lying out of their ass and it's not farfetched that the older masters before them were hiding a lot of details from their pupils just to keep them in check from discovering what they're not supposed to know...............which Xehanort did with all his experiments + the book of prophecies 

 

The reports from Xehanort are mostly thesies of his research that he proved some of but didn't prove the other

You are making quite an amount of assumptions with that comment. Yes, DDD retconned how the X-Blade is forged, but that doesn't mean we can suddenly ignore everything else from Xehanort's Reports.

 

We almost know nothing about Xehanort and Eraqus' Master, so again, it's not easy to assume much or anything about him. How do we know if he kept secrets/details from them? If he did, why?

 

"We Keyblade Masters have a special gift. We can extract a heart, be it our own or that of another." This quote isn't really a thesis or an experiment, it's fact. The reports are made for the player to have an understanding of things, including the Ansem reports from Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2. We even learn in Birth By Sleep that Terra wasn't the one who took Aurora's heart but was in fact Xehanort.

 

Yes, we later find out that the forging of the χ-Blade is retconned in DDD, but that doesn't mean that everything in Xehanort's Reports or false or will also be retconned as well.

 

And one final note, we can see that a Keyblade can kill because Vanitas was gonna kill Aqua in the Keyblade Graveyard with his Keyblade.

Edited September 6, 20169 yr by Master Eraqus

Will KH3 actually explain everything?

 

That's the biggest question here cuz I'm not confident they'll do so and if they did I hope it's not in a half-assed manner

I brought the X-Blade example because Xehanort reports aren't entirely accurate

 

in BBS Xehanort said the X-blade can only be formed by one heart of pure light and another one of pure darkness

 

That turned out to be bullshit as in DDD we knew it's 7 hearts of light and 13 of darkness

 

It's easy to assume that whoever told them that only a master can do it were lying out of their ass and it's not farfetched that the older masters before them were hiding a lot of details from their pupils just to keep them in check from discovering what they're not supposed to know...............which Xehanort did with all his experiments + the book of prophecies 

 

The reports from Xehanort are mostly thesies of his research that he proved some of but didn't prove the other

It's also not entirely true to say that it's not the case that only Masters can release hearts, as it has only been masters that have done so, the X-Blade issue is a lot different, and we didn't actually know this, the 7 lights were to summon Kingdom Hearts