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Then why didnt the org release heartless everywhere til their kh got done? When sora went to TWTNW kh wasnt fully completed. I believe it has to do with: the worlds have returned to their original states. You need to have smone filled with hatred or rage to allow heartless summon.. ( remember at kh days neverland and captain hook? ) But rly i cant blame sora... it ends up that the org was villainious even with hearts... I agree about axel in re:com... hes the best in kindness after roxas and xion, due to his friendship memories. However, he wasnt exactly good.. as everyone else but roxas/xion. I rly believe that xehanort tried to xehanortify ALL of them ( back at kh bbs-kh1) without succeedin though, with the exception of isa and braig. This still affected them... makin them slightly villainious, some of them less, some of them more. About the << true disposition blah blah...>> its true but just for the first fight.. which wasnt rly a fight . Xemnas told demyx about that 1, im sure he knew it wouldnt work just tried it anyway. The other fights ( including re:com ) were results of the slight villainy AND their hearts. Sora was forced to kill those at re:com cause they tried to kill him when their plan failed. Vexen is so random lol he tried to kill sora only to show marluxia hes worthy... and maybe to make sora his puppet mhm.. ( he said; come to me my slave ) Remember sora? He was calm when he realized axel was testing him. And.. when vexen was disarmed.. sora just said: none of that matters, just put riku back. Sora was tryin to stop them, but when he realized they were villains, he was angry. He also showed some understandin. When demyx turned his back, sora just let his keyblade and looked at him. ( Who is this kook? He said this in an ironic way cause he thought the org was bad, which it was anyway lol but it wasnt their fault). He also went down to his knees and begged saix to see kairi. After knowin that the org was gatherin hearts.. im sure he assumed that demyx and xaldin ( and the traitors ) attacked him guided by their memories ( they did what their somebodies WOULD do, he thought ) tryin to get a heart earlier. If they wouldnt have hearts, they would DO NOTHING, just wait til they get hearts. Just deep down in them, they didnt want it without knowing why. Also: why i believe they were bad due to xehanort? cause a nobody, if doesnt have a heart, he thinks like his smbody. If he does have 1 though he will act like his smbody! but... their smbodies are good! not that that they showed em much.. but they looked fine. Besides lea the good guy was with em EDIT: about the kh manga.. telling a bad guy to go back and not do that etc... cmon even if they dont bother with sora they ll still get hearts. NOTHING would change except that they would enjoy their bad actions lol ( thats what we think before kh 3d ) . And along with the hearts they ll get power and http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png. they would also sacrifice millions of ppl for them are ya kiddin?

Still demyx s attack doesnt make sense, why would xemnas tell him to kill smone he needs? I think demyx just lied. Xaldin sees love as a weakness, but he uses it to manipulate beast and therefore, release many heartless ( who cares about beasts nobody ) Remember you cant release heartless anywhere ya want, ya have to meet the right conditions.Also, Sora was calm because he knew nobodies dont exist anyway, so after battling demyx he realized that the org was villainious. Would ya feel bad about killin smone who is villain and doesnt exist ( thats what he knew anyway ). In this universe i would.. but in the kh universe i wouldnt . However.... it wasnt their fault... im sure they ALL suffered from chronic villainy due to xehanort. Why? Cause their somebodies are good.. even axel was villainious, tryin to kill sora in re:com with no specific reason.

You have a point ( the worlds were anti-climactic i agree ) But i totally dont agree with you about what sora did to the nobodies. They were those who attacked him just like that lolz. Demyx, Xaldin blah blah blah... everyone. Sora wasnt chasing to KILL them, he was chasing to stop them because they were making a kingdom hearts with peoples hearts http://kh13.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.png. And in the end we learn that the organization had hearts anyway ( which explains their weird movements, demyx attacked sora with no reason like xaldin, and marluxia tried to betray xemnas without reason as well, since he was supposed to have no heart). AND you can make the game as easy or as hard as you want, which i like.

I really think youre connecting the short story with the bad story.... Kh 3d doesnt have the longest story ( in fact its rather short ) but it explains old things as well which didnt make sense. I know those things could be explained as summaries, but explanation ---> battle seems more epic Only prob is that this game had an ending that makes you wantin to play the next game , unlike kh 1 or 2

But thats what kh 3d is supposed to be bbs is kh0, kh1 is main as kh 2 is. The rest are bridge games. Personally kh 3d is the best bridge game for me, better than re:com, days, and re:coded. Not specifically in terms of story.. but in an overall aspect. I totally agree to your last sentence, but ya know... i like it this way due to awesome gameplay.

Many think that the mark of mastery was unnecessary. Well i was thinking the same thing, but thats before i actually saw the game. Sora and Riku traveled to the RoS to awaken the sleeping worlds... mhm... only? No its not only that! Both sora and riku unlocked keyholes and they were 7.Dont count 2 at traverse town, that was YMXs doing to fck up the town and try to catch sora earlier. He just converted riku's dream traverse town into the same situation as the other town to split up the twewy gang, yet the towns were separate. Thats why sora and riku could see each other. Even yen sid said it: << Riku is the 1 who unlocked ALL the keyholes>>. Ok now count smthing : Roxas,axel,namine,xion,ventus,aqua,terra = Rikus keyholes... yep 7, the 7th keyhole at destiny islands affected ventus as the rest 6 affected smone else.Besides why would riku wake up a dream within a dream.. no.. he was wakin up those who are connected within sora. ( Lea woke up as soon as riku sealed, or should i say unlocked a keyhole... ) Therefore, sora got weaker ( kh re:coded's warning from data roxas: you cant bear their hurting and youll fall into darkness ). Now,now.. the time travel really covers some kh2 plotholes lol. Thats the: Xemnas when his kh got completed, he wanted to kill sora. Yet the members attacked sora separately LOL. So i believe ( and makes too much sense ) that when Ansem sod went to the past and told YMX blah blah blah... YMX magically affected those he needed to affect while he was traveling forward through time. Eventually, he reached xemnas ( during kh2, ). He told him that without xemnas' death, MX couldnt get revived and if he would kill sora they would be 2 vessels short. ( im pretty sure xemnas knew about the backup plan ansem sod did, since he and xemnas are the same person anyway lolz ). So xemnas was in dilemma, but he decided to attack sora separately to test him if he was a worthy vessel. He died, but he didnt care . In kh 3d ymx and ansem sod ( and the other xehanorts prolly ). want to get rid of riku... but in the same time they dont, cause hes a guardian of light, and MX doesnt want to wait til another one shows up if riku dies. But eventually MX and ansem tried to killed him since he was a problem. They failed tho.. but cause of Lea Does the story seem better now?

Sounds nice but i doubt it happened because it is unnecessary. If ymx summoned everyone at the same time... i guess he visited them much before they die.

All though i love both, kh 3d is a bit better cause of better gameplay and type of some hidden plot. ( Example: when you unlock a world keyhole its much more than just wakin it up ) Riku sealed a keyhole and Lea woke up. So for me goin to RoS was essential and mandatory.

I think that world is special and limited. It is there only because disney castle is a rly vulnerable world. Lets just say that in that world you can change the future but ONLY for disney castle. It could make sense since disney castle has the cornestone of light and without it, it would fall to darkness so easily Pretty much in that world time is not moving and every day, the same things are happening.

Only time will tell ( Pfft time is everywhere )

you wrote this 1 month ago but well just wanted to say that i believe thus: Noone really controls your fate in my opinion. God just knows what youll do without interfering. Also im not the guy who likes goin to church ( kinda boring lolz ). One last thing: once i was worryin about smthin too much, and then i just rly prayed to happen. Ya know what happened 3 seconds later? my wish came true im not jking. i doubt it was a coincidence. Thats why i believe god knows what you will do ( since the thing that happened would actually happen if if i didnt pray, smone could say ). Thats just an opinion ofc

Oh well... by reading your first sentence... I meant, the future below the present, because what is future for YMX ( kh 1, kh2 ) is past for us. I guess you cnt travel to this future because it hasnt happened yet, only for that. Those 11 darknesses ( without MX ) were summoned at the same time Nomura said it. YMX was travelling to HIS future ( past for us ) and did smthin that allowed him to summon them. Then he went to present and did it Smthing else: Im sure YMX ( ill use the word <<touched>> cause we dont know what he did that allowed him to summon ) so im sure YMX touched braig from bbs time as well and Isa just before he would turn into a nobody .. why? Well, he didnt know that xigbar and saix at kh2 would die resultin in braig in their revival. But i guess when he touched xigbar and saix too, just to be sure. Just told all this to say why the -same time summon thing- nomura said prevented a big plothole.

oh yeah smthin like that.. i only wonder now who will be his 13th darkness... couldnt be from the past, since YMX would have taken him

Both points of view could end up being combined really. About the last sentence though...i believe: if this would happen we would have 2 MXs lol. Then the 1 would cast aside his body, go find xemnas and sod and kill em to make make 3 MXs? nah... Common sense: since every darkness of the 13 is a unique person it means you cant have 2 same ppl at present. Otherwise... ymx would get 13 Master xehanorts from different times and voila.. MX from age of 20, age of 21 etc... i guess nthng will happen

they are immortal but in a specific way: Example, you can eliminate them but they will always remain in the past. So mx could just cast aside his body and go to the past oh god . Only solution is to defeat all the true xehanorts who exist in the present. After all the other fake xehanorts have a time limit in the present, so once they go back and there will be noone to bring em back, we are ok

I read what Nomura said in a-not so old- interview. Question: So Master xehanort is already revived, while he has his heartless and nobody in his side as well via time travel? Nomura: Yes it does turn that way. Xemnas and Ansem sod are gone resulting his revival. This has happened and ( accordin to ymx ) noone can disrupt the flow of time. So it doesnt matter what befalls the time-kidnapped figures It is my opinion of course, you can have yours but.... if SoD is beaten in this future? ( which is actually the present, since you cant travel below present in this game ) if SoD dies im certainly he will simply disappear. To sum up: Past cannot be changed, only the present/future. MX is revived and this cannot be changed. No matter what happens to anyone who isnt at his time, the past is the same, Sora killed both xemnas and sod at past. If what ya said could be true, then YMX could find all his enemies parents, take em to the present and kill them, to prevent anythin he wants

Hi again lolz Um.. still havin trouble with time travel i see... ok 1 more tip: If really MX was from the past, this would mean that YMX could bring himself? if that was possible he could bring himself 13 times from the beginning lolz without going through this << brain killer>> plan So my tip is: you cant bring smone who exists at the present alrdy

i rly dont remember where he said that sry But he didnt exactly say the fight was non cannon, he said: Every secret boss fight is non cannon except xemnas at kh1 ( he fought sora and took data to make xion ) , sephiroth at kh2 obviously and the heartless bosses ( he didnt mention anythin about heartless bosses i just assumed it ) EDIT: just visited a random topic and many ppl there wrote that they saw the interview sayin that MF fight is non-cannon, so i guess i remember correctly. Its better this way, that fight is a huge paradox lol

Uh uh wait just a sec...... the destruction of ymx xemnas or ansem sod..... will never affect MX existence....... because xemnas and ansem sod are dead already resultin in his revival. Those time-kidnapped figures are non-existent who will eventually return to their place. Remember how the past events cannot be changed? So it doesnt matter if anythin from the past dies.. Example: lets suppose that ymx dies... that doesnt mean you cant take him back again MX could cast aside his body and go to the past to take him again.. Of course he wont, since it wouldnt rly help at all to do that

non cannon = didnt happen The boss was just there for us 1) for fun 2) to show whos the next final boss He just said the character is canon and important.. but not the fight itself Besides if it was cannon everythin would go so wrong. It would create an infinite time loopin paradox. Ansem from future would visit ymx then ymx would travel yadda yadda yadda.. then we would reach the present and ansem would travel again? thats nonsense

But he could actually die and have hades control him

I like this idea of xehanorts flaw. Remmber how xigbar acted near kh3d ending? I think it was his hearts reaction. Besides xehanort dies at kh3

Thats what i thought but if you relax a bit its really simple It all has to do on how you look upon time travel. If youre tryin to think about it like the movie ( Back to the future ) youll never figure it out lol. KH time travel is so much simpler. Just think the following:1)Ansem never visited YMX until kh1, which means the bbs YMX fight is non cannon. 2)ymx doesnt really exist, hes just a shadow of the past ( just like anyone who was removed from ther timeline) 3)All those who transcended time were summoned at the same time. ( Best thing nomura has said for kh3d it rly makes sense, too bored to say why lol ) By that i mean ymx visited those who had to.. and then came to the present and summoned them. 4) Once you procceed ( about time travel) you can only go forward. 5) You cant travel below the present because it hasnt happened yet 6) You write your own destiny.. no matter what xehanort says ( still when ymx goes back.. he ll be destined to follow the path he did, but thats not exactly destiny, its his heart command that ITS ALWAYS the same). Dont take this line wrong, destiny exists cause things are fated to happen. they are your choice tho

Xemnas in kh 3d said that after a certain time he knew his separation would be temporary. Besides xemnas true goal was to merge with the real kh not the kh2 artificial one. He needed the thirteenth vessels. Sure he didnt have MX in mind... but remember that MX ( AX actually) was the one who separated himself in the first place.. so he would like to get back. So since everythin got wrong xemnas had no choice. Also: i know YMX had to get to his own time, i just meant: before YMX forgets all this and returns back. When he does ( kh 3d ending ) its up to the old guy to bring em back

i agree almost at all except: you cant travel to the future it would ruin the game lol