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OKAY this finally gets interesting, that's a nice wrench you threw into the mix, and I'm as intrigued as you into discovering how I can work it in Yes, the master of masters did vanish in Chi, but the cutscenes you refer to are only shown in KHUX not in Chi, where I'm going with this is you can not assume can't assume that anything that KHUX shows is 100% real, it being a simulation, as I said before UX contains its own Chi inside it, so just as the worlds themself were artificial, those flashbacks could be created, I'll explain what I mean, but I simply refused to accept that they are suddenly showing flashbacks to Chi in UX that were never shown in Chi proper, it's not like they couldn't show them during the real chi they weren't made so far apart that Nomura hadn't thought of those plot points for Chi on time What I mean by the flashbacks being created, as I stated before the only people I believe to truly be real during KHUX are Ventus, Lauriam Elrena and Strelitzia (Ephemer, Skuld & Brian could go either way but as it is know, it doesn't matter if they are real or not) that means that neither the foretellers nor the Master of Masters that appear in KHUX are real, howver the MoM is a special case, there is no denial that he is a special individual whether its Chi or KHUX wer are talking about, knowing pretty much everything there is to know and having all the answers (almost like entities like presence in dc or the one above all in marvel) he stated multiple times I'm going to vanish and the worlds gonna end, and in Chi that's exactly what happened so if KHUX is a simulation after the fact, which character would be the perfect avatar for some sort of GM or administrator to use in case he would want to interact with the simulation directly, let's say, give a forteller a list of names that would suddenly appear into the world in order to recruit? ideally it would be someone who fits the world, its regarded as all knowing, and could suddenly appear and disappear, and again wouldn't be a stretch since we've already seen Ansem the Wise use fake names & wear the black coat So no, I won't disprove your statements you clearly know much more about Chi/UX than I do, I can assure you you've forced me to rewatch scenes, articles and character bios, so it would be pretty lazy to try and say nah you wrong lol, cause yea, facts are facts, nothing you said was a lie, but maybe those facts didn't happen in the context they seemed And hey, it was pretty fun trying to find a satisfactory solution, you just increased my hype for the game even more
I'm not cherry picking anything, saying "in a warped sort of way it does make sense" seems like like Cherry picking to me plus you are ignoring all the other facts I presented (or cherry picked apparently) Ansem hates his apprentices after the betrayal and couldn't care less if they suffered or not, he wanted to get rid of them because they pretty much destroyed his world and his name The apprentices WERE. NOT. CHILDREN, if SoD would be reffering to the apprentices why would he speak of them in such an indirect maner HE WAS ONE OF THEM why didn't he say something like "all the suffering you caused us" "everything that happened to us was because of you"? Ansem The Wise ended up doing a lot of bad things to people (let's exclude UX totally for now) He manipulated Riku, tried to brainwash Roxas, showed little care for Naminé (pretty much for all the nobodies, he considered them less than nothing) and wanted to use Sora to destroy the Organization, eventually he learned his ways and decided to not be consumed by hatred, BUT HE NEVER, EVEN AFTER THAT, FELT BAD FOR XEHANORT not when he was his star apprentice, certainly not now that he has probably been filled in into what he truly is again KHUX Contains (a simulated) Chi inside it, Strelitzia died in KHUX (during the part of the simulation that was set before the keyblade war, as you said) , she NEVER appeared once during the gameplay of Kingdom Hearts Chi, both games (so far) have been confirmed to exist in the same universe you can't say that KHUX is just Chi's sequel when it clearly shows diverging events and the lack of key characters in one game, not just Strelitzia is not important, THAT is the definition of cherry picking I haven't ignored things that don't fit as I said multiple times, I know I'm leaving possible stuff behind, like the box, Luxu, the pods in the mansion mainly because they aren't as critical or we know close to nothing to make it matter and I know that by doing that it's pretty much impossible to be 100% but I'm not trying to, the box could be literally anything so taking it to account would be just adding a wild card, If I truly wanted to make everything fit I could throw that as a possible explanation, you can not proove that the box doesn't contain the heart of strelitzia, or the true X-Blade or pretty much anythig else, that's why it's futile But that's also why I tried to look into all the places that we know of Ansem The Wise's knowledge of encoding physical objects into data, and creating data worlds, his pride that made him disregard the well being of others (See: Riku, Roxas, Naminé), his status as a wise and good ruler that allowed radiant garden to flourish The decorations all around twilight town's mansion alluding the the unicornis faction All the dandelion leaders appearing and dissappearing at will THE APPRENTICES WERE NOT CHILDREN "but what about the possible children lost when the emblem heartless were created" that wasn't an accident, it was deliberately made by Xehanort, he created the whole heartless factory "But KH2 happened waaay before Chi/UX connecting the mansion and the research from to UX would be ridiculous foreshadowing and detail planning" Yes, just like the brown robbed figure at the beginning of KH1 that Nomura decided, to reveal 10 years later, that it was a time traveling Xehanort's disembodied heart" Or how the reason Kairi has a keyblade it's not because she is Sora's friend or a princess of heart or anything else, it was because she touched Aqua's keyblade once, by accident, during a 2 second scene, that no one ever references (in game) Or how you can see Braig pre and post getting norted in BBS during the battle with Aqua, before being norted was a thing no one addresses it, he is just back, and at the time no one went like, oh suddenly has a yellow eye wonder what that's about, those people probably also said he pulled the idea out of thin air when they played DDD
I don't know it wouldn't make much sense, first because we see her interact with other characters, there's moments with just herself and he was introduced way before Lauriam, I truly believe that she when into the simulation and the Lauriam went after her, maybe wanting to make sure no harm comes to her (and obviously failed) and with the other Leaders, we still lack a lot on info to make an informed guess about them (I'm sure there's people that believe that Brain is a Xehanort because he is the "Brain" of the bad guys, or something like that) Yeah I've heard about the theory on Kairi's grandma, but I think its more of a joke, her grandma was pretty much created just to narrate the story she is a pretty generic old lady, I believe the era of fairy tales, aka Chi and the setting of UX took place longer than 100 years ago, maybe not 1000 but long enough for official records on that time to not exist anymore, only in the way of, well... fairy tales which could very much distort the truth each time they are told But again, my claim is that while the setting inside UX is of the distant past, UX itself was created fairly recently, no more than a couple decades. Regarding your last point, I don't think Xehanort would mess with the simulation after banishing Ansem, he was busy trying to get to Kingdom Hearts since by them he had become a heartless, but I do think there's a possiblity that Ansem the Wise's banishment was what allowed Maleficent to escape that digital realm and return in time for KH2
No no ha ha As I said quite before, Ansem SoD doesn't mean the research into darkness & hearts for many reasons As I said before the apprentices, other than maybe Ienzo, weren't children, even by the time of BBS all of them are already adults, in the reports and cutscenes during KH2 it's shown how Ansem strictly prohibited to continue that research, after that point it was because of apprentice Xehanort hubris that they lied, betrayed him and continued the research, it wasn't done in his name or was his research after that, Ansem The wise wouldn't have any reason to feel guilty for what happened to them after that, in fact he pretty much hated them he literally said how he was driven by vengeance, it doesn't make sense for Ansem SoD to chastise him over that think about it let's I tell you "hey let's play with knives" so we start doing it, but then I realize that it could be pretty dangerous so I decide we shouldn't do that any more and lock the knives away and tell you to not do it any more, but later at night you sneak to the kitches, grab the knives and cut yourself playing, would you really tell me it was my fault even though I told you not to do it, hid the knives, and you decided on your on will that you wanted to keep playing? it doesn't make sense Also your point about the research causing the creation of heartless by sacrificing people, why would Ansem SoD would specifically say "Children" tho? why not all the people sacrificed in the name of your research? so he was just trying to taunt AnsemTW to feel even worse? its just too specific wording to just be nothing, and again WHY would AnsemSoD would taunt him about making them lose their hearts, that's exactly what HE wanted someone like Sai'x maybe, but Xehanort got what he wanted he never showed dislike about being a heartless or Xemnas being a nobody (he wanted kingdom hearts not to be human again, but for power and to control the other nobodies) Ansem The wise HATED that reseach into hearts and darkness, it made him lose everything, why would he ever put that inside Sora "as a mean of clearing his concience" and now say it's a clue to "finding yourself or your lost friends in your hour of need" that doesn't sound anything like what the research into hearts and darkness, remember in the reports how Ansem pretty much gives that because he realizes the heart is much more complex than anything else and he can't just try to learn and control it and it's darkness that's why he stops Also I never said Strelitzia Ephemer and the other special dandelions were fake, (We really don't know much about the likes of Ephemer, Brain & Skuld so that's why I didn't include them, but they could be real or not, doesn't matter) Strelitzia is real, she IS the reason Lauriam went into UX as well, her death is real, her dying in the simulation killed her just as much as if she died in the real world, just like Roxas was in danger from the attacks of nobodies at the begining of KH2 To me the player character both in Chi and UX is totally irrelevant, is just an avatar for the player that's why he doesn't get a backstory or lines (other than literally 1 time, last time I checked) he is just a way for the player to interact with the world, nothing would really change if he existed or not his dreams could be interpreted as foreshadowing in order to entice the player to keep playing.... you know considering you sometime have to play dozens of quests for a bit of story progression And if we go back to the Master of Masters and Ava as you have pointed many times, the purpose of the dandelions wasn't just to survive, they were meant to survive to restore the world, WHY would they be taken to another realm then? In summary, There is a BUNCH of reasons from multiple sources along with common sense that point that the research ansem hid inside Sora is not the one that created the heartless The dandelion leaders are real At least Strelitzia Lariam and Ventus, Elrena obviously too, even tho she isn't a dandelion they were the test subjects Ansem used, probably some voluntary, some not, that's why they appear out of the blue Also, point about UX being "real" remember when she tried to travel back in time to undo her defeat she was specifically trapped in UX so she couldn't tamper with the real past, UX existed in the distant past, there wouldn't be a version of her to exist there she couldn't have time traveled to that era then To me the evidence, not only from Chi/UX but from ALL the games points to something else, and gives more justifications to the actions other than "they were brought to fight and then had them forget the fight took place" the master of masters was always adamant that the world was going to be engulfed in darkness, he wanted said that maaaybe they could save it if they gathered enough lux, that's why he like "Ok Ava, everyone's gonna die, gather people that can resist darkness so they can give the world a second chance AFTER it all goes down" As I said I don't claim to be 100% right and there are still a lot of loose ends, The Box, Luxu, the master of masters himself etc. but I have found the most amount of evidence pointing in that direction, its not that I just like Ansem and want to give him all the credit
How are you so sure that KHUX -definitely- happened? my argument it didn't, I never said it was a remake, I know it is a sequel, but it is a sequel that inside it contains the events of Chi and expands upon them, there has only been 1 true keyblade war, it was the one in chi which is then simulated in UX but no worlds were truly destroyed KH Chi happens-> war-> the worlds are consumed, separated and eventually restored by light-> "modern" era-> ansem, studying the past, creates the simulation, UX. please tell me where I can find the evidence that prooves that KHUX truly happened, in the real world, I know about MoM's orders to Ava but I don't see how that connects it, I will gladly check out whatever reference you throw my way I'm not trying to just be stubborn and pretend I am 100% right and have all the answers lol, hell for all we know the black box contains a CPU that houses the simulation for UX I dunno My whole theory started by asking myself "What IS ansem's research?" that's how I eventually reached UX, not the other way around by analizing the clues of creating digital simulations, adding people to them, the decor of the old mansion connecting to the factions, the lines said in trailers, epilogues like DDD & BBS, and the fact that it is knowledge that will in the end help Sora save everyone and what better knowledge to save people & prevent a new keyblade war, than knowledge from the previous war So instead of just saying "it was like this, not like this" I ask you, What do YOU think is Ansem's Research? maybe we'll find the answer together
Sorry I didn't word myself properly back there I didn't mean that it was created in UX, but like you said, that it happened just like you said, UX goes over what leads to the war and unlike Chi it continues after that you could say that UX contains Chi itself, as it is a recreation, seen like: (KHUX(KHChi)) I think the fact the new union leaders weren't subject to that brainwashing is pretty compelling, if we (bear with me) that at least half of them (Ven, Strelitzia and Lariam) are "real" people added into a simulated world it would be pretty easy to brainwash the others, who are essencially NPCs into forgetting the war Also as a sidenote, Ven's choice for being selected to be a dandelion leader makes a lot of sense since they were chosen by Ava because they were less likely to give in to darkness, (this makes even more sense for the case of Ventus being placed in UX during his comatose state when Vanitas was created, he would be a good test subject since showed that reluctance to give into darkness even at the cost of his life) I understand where you are coming from, and I admit that I'm no expert in the Chi/UX lore (that's why I try to supplement the gaps with what we've seen characters do in games like KH2 & BBS) my main problem with the idea that they were all originally from the past and they went into stasis to get to the present (via the pods, the realm of darkness or another medium) is that it doesn't help answer the question, "Why?" it all becomes "Because the Master of Master saw it/said it" (again, a character who we know nothing about so he can do anything) that's why I like the idea of it all being Ansem's research, something that has been built up for over a decade, even the latest Final Battle trailer (which came AFTER I started this whole thing lol) The exchange betwen both Ansems at 2:23 "I have created enough victims" "All of the children sacrificed in the name of YOUR RESEARCH" some people may attribute that line to the time when the apprentices lost their hearts and became nobodies but first they were not children, and second it wasn't Ansem's research (he prohibited Xehanort to continue the research into hearts and darkness), that's why I belive that line talks about something else a controlled scenario where children were in danger AKA UX is the only other event that fits Sorry if this seemed a little all over the place I'm at work and writting this as is in my brain without a lot of time to properly organize it lol
The master of masters is most definitely a wild card since we know pretty much nothing about him and he knows much much more than he lets on, that's why exactly I didn't want to include him in the theory he seems to work in a different way than everyone else acting so nonchalantly about a literal imminent end of the world as if it didn't truly mattered to him, plus yes, he did instruct Ava on what to do, but he also created the book of prophecies himself so that's why it doesn't matter if he is from that time or not, we don't know from WHEN he learned what he learned. The goal of the simulation wasn't to avoid the events that lead to the keyblade war (and the keyblade graveyard) it is to study those events and learn from them in order to avoid a FUTURE Keyblade War, the graveyard was still created in UX And for the last paragraph, the problem with them being from Chi is that, why would they entered in stasis? plus remember that the keyblade war made ALL light fade pretty much destroying everything and separating the worlds, (I know the theory of the pods beneath twilight town could be a way for people from the distant past to come to the present, but that has its own problems in my eyes, that's why I went a different route) I don't think that "Ansem the Wise set up the simulation of KHUX" is so hard to believe, considering him creating realistic simulated world, so much than people inside can't tell the difference is something we've seen him do, that's kinda his whole deal
Well since I proposed that Ven was scanned and added into UX while he was comatose after spliting his heart was a copy, not a the real Ventus so he didn't really experience anything and the Ven in that world is more like a "Data Ventus", again, something we've seen before, and maybe as Marluxia and Larxene they don't have amnesia but chose not to divulge what they know, maybe having that knowledge what made them think they could outsmart Xemnas and take over the organization
It certainly would be a RECONNECT moment lol but I don't think (hope) its an amnesia thing, but yea the connection is neat even tho non of them would be aware of it, but hey, maybe experiencing the events of UX is what helped them develop the strong hearts needed to become special nobodies and what attracted Xemnas' attention to bring them into the Organization
That is one of the gaps I couldn't fill completely in the first post (yeah it's long I know, sorry) I wrote a possibility, After Xehanort created Vanitas Ventus fell comatose right? sooo, we don't know how much time passed between Vanitas being born and Xehanort taking Ven to destiny islands what if: Xehanort knew Ansem (he was ruler of an important world and pretty respected doesn't seem so farfecht'd) was trying to research the old keyblade war, Xehanort wanted the same (both for different reasons obviously) and he proposed having Ven's body scanned and a digital copy of him be included in the simulation as a true keyblade wielder would help the data be more authentic (it would explain how ven just suddenly appeared inside UX WITHOUT HIS PAULDRON so we know the came into UX BEFORE being taken to Eraqus) after Ven was scanned and put inside UX his body was truly of no use to Xehanort and that's when he was taken to destiny islands And yes, in this scenario Xehanort would've used a different name, or not use his name at all when meeting Ansem, that's would explain why he didn't react to hearing the name Xehanort after he meets the amnesiac Terra-Nort Again I admit this meeting between Ansem/Xehanort/Ventus is the one I have the least amount of evidence but I think it's not so crazy, plus hey maybe when he saw Roxas (as DiZ) he remembered Ven and that's why he decided to put him in a digital world, it would be a familiar situation for him lol
What do you mean by that? The keyblade war still happened, remember the events of Kingdom Hearts Chi really happened, UX is the digital copy of that but Chi ends with the keyblade war, since UX is a piece of software it can continue after the world was destroyed, (it's literally like DLC lol). We don't know what truly happened during the keyblade war,Chi ends with your character fighting the foretellers and then collapsing and then waking up in a DIGITAL (UNION CROSS), the foretellers never appear after that (I presume they died along with pretty much everyone else in the war) Another thing, Ventus, Lauriam & Strelitzia & ONLY appear in Union cross not in Chi, that's why I believe they were the test subjects that went inside the simulation, AKA the Children Sacrificed for Ansem's research (research made in order to study and prevent another keyblade war) What's inside Sora is literally has been said countless times already, data, aka information: the history and memories of the keyblade war, and we know that memories are a powerful in the world of KH so I believe that awakening that knowledge inside him will give him some sort of special ability that will prove to be the key to winning
No no, they are not the same research, the one the apprentices continued is the one about darkness in people's hearts, the one ATW cancelled, after they continued, it could be considered SOD's research but ATW then started his own research which then he hid inside Sora, that is what I think Union Cross is because it specifically used children (lauriam, Elrena, Strelitzia etc.), who apparently were in danger (again, Strelitzia is a prime example) AKA they were VICTIMS SACRIFICED IN THE NAME OF HIS RESEARCH, and again he says children, many of the apprentices were already adults (Xehanort, Even, Braig, Aeleus, & Dilan) another point that says it wasn't the experiment with the apprentices it wouldn't make sense for SOD to chastise ATW for the research that turned the apprentices into nobodies because A) ATW tried to stop it B) they did it themselves C) it was Xehanort's own plan and D) they already recovered from that
2:25 Ansem Seeker of Darkness (SOD) & Ansem the Wise (ATW) "ATW: I Have created enough victims SOD: All the children sacrificed in the name of your research" I think this helps further my theory on what exactly ATW's research (which will save everyone) truly is, more on that here: TL:DR It's union cross, as in, all of it
Soooooo.... the new trailer 2:25 Ansem Seeker of Darkness (SOD) & Ansem the Wise (ATW) "ATW: I Have created enough victims SOD: All the children sacrificed in the name of your research" We know they don't mean the research into hearts & darkness from KH1 because ATW cancelled it before anything could happen then apprentice Xehanort took over, so they are talking about ANOTHER research which included children (the apprentices, other than Ienzo, weren't really children) soooo... Union Cross was made by ATW for research confirmed?
I get what you are saying, many people are turning to the pods beneath the old mansion from where donald and goofy emerged and how they were more than just those two as a way of explaining a method in which characters from the distant past could've reached the present, I tried to avoid that scenario because that would mean that the pods were made even before the keyblade war that consumed the world and separated it and that level of technology is never shown in that era "the age of fairy tales", that's one of the things that made me think that the UX virtual world was made looong after the original events Also I don't know, speaking mainly of Lauriam and Elenar, if they truly are from the distant past, that could make them much more dangerous than Xehanort considering the would've LIVED the true keyblade war and know much more about it than Master Xehanort, who has spent his life learning about it and even he doesn't know all the details (it literally just ocurred to me right this second) another way of explaining how characters from the past reached the present without using the pods could be that they got trapped in the realm of darkness were time doesn't exist, just like Aqua but again, this would mean that they would have knowledge of the past which none of them have shown thus far (and all of them just having anmesia seems a little farfetched) I'm interested to see if something happens in UX that lends some more validity to the theory of them using the pods but as it stands right now, I just don't think they could've existed back then, that's why I think the UX simulation was made much later, remember after Chi ended they all pretty much got Thanos'd so it couldn't have been happening simultaneously but it was stated that BOTH chi and UX happened so that's why I think its a recreation of events long past with some new subjects added as "control variables"
From what I investigated Ventus does not appear at all in the Chi version of the game only un UX so, if we follow the scenario of "UX is a simulated world based on Chi that was created around the events of BBS by Ansem the wise to study/prevent the keyblade war" it could be that Ven was placed insde just at the same time Ava was training the dandelions, his arrival isn't affected by time since it is a simulation, Ansem could easily pause/edit time AS LONG AS HE WAS ONLY SHOWN IN UX NOT CHI! with Strelitzia I don't have a solid answer for her, I started coming up with this theory literally a day before the Elrena reveal that shows that Strelitzia was probably Lauriam's sister so that's why I didn't focus much on it buuuut if I were to add it I would say that maybe Strelitzia went inside the simulation, probably as a Volunteer taking into consideration ATW was a pretty nice guy during that time, (before he was betrayed and wanted revenge) so I don't think he would force her, but maybe something started going wrong and Lauriam went inside to find her sister, we need to see what develops with him inthe future, I don't think ATW killed her For your last paragraph, Yes I stated that UX started before BBS but we don't know long it lasted remember, ATW/DiZ said he hid the results of his research (UX) inside Sora during the time he was asleep so maybe the simulation was left running looong after BBS, up to the events of KH & KH:CoM that's when DiZ would extract the data to put it inside Sora to explain Malificent's knowledge of Sora during UX I think the route she took was: Defeated by Riku in KH1: -> loses heart and tries to travel to her own world during BBS-> travels back in time but not exactly to where she wants, but to a digital copy of her world, Union Cross, but still went back in time to a period when the simulation is still running, she eventually discovers she in a sort of loop trapped there so she couldn't interfere with "Darkness'" plans AKA Ansem the Wise's research -> ATW is betrayed and loses his heart, without him to control her she is allowed to break free and return to KH2 Again I'm no expert, specially with the UX/Chi characters so I appreciate any ideas/lore corrections you propose
That's what I meant, it is clear that Ventus training with Xehanort and Vanitas being born happens before the events of BBS my guess is around a year, that's when I think he was taken to Ansem the Wise to be scanned and placed inside the virtual Union Cross world Ventus never time travelled
Alright so, I think I've solved some of the main mysteries regarding the series around the world of union cross but I'm no expert so if I missed anything or you could add to the discussion that would be great, but I really think I'm on to something here So, what we know so far, the world of Union Cross is a virtual replica of the world of Chi which is the actual story of the events that led to the keyblade war of old then after the world perished and was reborn the the data of what happened was used in creating a virtual copy which would be used to study that history and how to prevent that scenario from happening. After the events of the war take place in Union Cross we start meeting new characters that weren't present in the original Chi, the first one we want to focus on is Ventus, for obvious reasons, we know he comes from a time that's definitely after the keyblade war, after the worlds were reborn and separated so how is he back? another charater we meet is Lauriam the original Marluxia(and just now we were introduced to Erlena who later becomes Larxene) what's important about Lauriam is that he looks noticeably younger than Marluxia (we know people may change a bit when they become nobodies but nothing as drastic as aging 10 years) so I believe Lauriam is the key to connecting Ventus to this era, we have just been looking at it backwards. It is not that Ven traveled back in time, but the world of Union Cross was created much much later, specifically around the Birth By Sleep Era, there is a lot of evidence that leads me to believe this is the case like This would place Lauriam in the correct age range (he was probably born around the same time as Isa & Lea, whose younger selves we met during BBS) Ventus is shown in his BBS clothes except missing one thing, his should pauldron which he uses to summon his armor, but! there is one instance during Birth By Sleep where he was seen wearing no pauldron, during his time training with Master Xehanort to extract his darkness before his heart is fractured and falls in a coma This takes place during a flashback and there is an unespecified amount of time that takes place during the gap between Ventus' heart being fractued and his arrival to the land of departure, it was shown that Xehanort was ready to give up on Ven waking up and took him to destiny islands to die I propose that during that gap Ven was used to experiment and research the new virtual world that was developed, but who created that world? Xehanort in an attempt to unlock the secrets of the past? No, he has never been shown to be know about creating that sort of thing, but we know of another character who has done just that, recreate worlds in the datascape and transport people there without them even knowing it I believe Ansem the Wise created the world of Union Cross, true he has never been shown talking about the keyblade war but I think he is more connected to the past than we know, first of all, he is ansem the WISE, king of radiant garden, so it would make sense for a wise king to know about the events of the past that regular people ignore, even Kairi's grandma knew a bit about how the world ended and was reborn so it is confirmed that knowledge of the old world reached radiant garden at least in some form So, Ansem the Wise managed to get a hold of Ven's body for a while, scanned him and added him to the world, maybe he thought that as a keyblade weilder his heart would help his simulated world be more accurate Here's where I must say I DO NOT CLAIM TO KNOW HOW ANSEM THE WISE GOT A HOLD OF VENTUS, maybe Xehanort, having his own desire to know about the past allowed the experiment to take place and after he Ventus could no longer be useful, that's when he took him to destiny islands (Xehanort would obviously have to hide his identity since when Ansem find the amnesiac Terra-nort and hears his name he does not react to it, and it would make sense, Xehanort wouldn't like others, like Eraqus, discover what he was doing) Earlier I said Ansem the Wise (ATW) may know more about the world before the keyblade war than he lets on and that there is something else that connects him to the past, something that I noticed long ago but couldn't find a solid reason for it to exist in such detail During Kingdom Hearts we not only learn about ATW's knowledge of creating virtual worlds and encoding real world objects into data, we learn that the old mansion in twilight town serves as his hideout/research lab but if we explore the place and pay attention to it's surroundings we can find something peculiar, all around the mansions we see iconography of something very important, we see images and sculptures of unicorns adorning the whole placethe unicorn being the symbol of one of the foretellers in chi/union cross So what if ATW in his research over the years found this information and tried to learn more about this old world (maybe he believed Ira as the Leader would be the one who held the answers so he aligned himself with his union) Skipping over a bit, during the new cutscene added to Re:Coded we see Maleficent talk about the similarities to between the datascape and the tome of prophecies and a few weeks ago we discovered that the Maleficent in UC is not a virtual character but the true maleficent, whose heart traveled back in time after being defeated in KH1 and is trying to change her fate, but instead of traveling to her true past she was (somehow) trapped in a virtual past by a hooded character refering to himself only as "darkness", since they don't want her interfering with the future and the plans they have, this had led many to believe this "darkness" to be Xehanort since he knows about time travel and has big plans in store, but I don't think that's the case, I believe, again this darkness is our man, Ansem the Wise, he also has been conducting research all this time and would want an uncontrolled outside force to interfere with it, and taking care of the easy one, the figure calls himself "Darkness", what other name has Ansem given himself? DiZ: DARKNESS in Zero So Ansem as the administrator of this virtual world would have no problem in controlling anyone inside his world/software this would help his research to continue on. And I believe this research, this knowledge of the past studied to prevent a future disaster is the very same research that has been alluded by him all these games, the very same research that he hid inside Sora while he was asleep, the knowledge to finding yourself or your lost friends in your hour of need Back to Maleficent, we know she traveled back in time and I stated how the world of UC was created around the time of BBS, but we don't really know how long it lasted so it could be that, maleficent traveled back to the time of BBS trying to undo her defeat during that game, but was trapped in a virtual world by Ansem and during the time she spent there the other events of BBS took place and then the betrayl by Xehanort and the other apprentices, when ATW was betrayed and sent to the realm of darkness that's when Maleficent, without Ansem eye on her, was able to escape and return to the real world, to the time of KH2 So in conclusion Ansem the wise wanted to know more about the keyblade war in order to prevent it and protect all worlds, using the knowledge he gathered over the years he created a virtual simulation of that era (probably thanks to Xehanort's own plans) added Ventus in an effort to enhance the world by adding a true keyblade weilder, Lauriam and Erlena were also added (we could think of them as a sort of Beta testers), they might've lost their hearts at the end of the simulation in whatever way that happens, at the same time Maleficent is trapped in the virtual world by Ansem to prevent her from changing history, the simulation continues, Xehanort takes Ventus back to destiny islands and the events of the games take place from BBS to KH2 by this time ATW has been sent to the realm of darkness and returned as DiZ, maleficent escapes the datascape (because UC is just another datascape, that's why the world of the journal in Re:Coded seems familiary to her) and Ansem after experiencing all he has, and gaining all that knowledge over the years, takes his data and places it inside a sleeping Sora, hoping that somehow the experiences of the past help save the future PHEW.... so that's it. I know some parts are out of order but im writting all this from ideas I had on my head and giving it structure as I go on, I hope you found in interesting and bring forth your own ideas about what you think I got right or not so right Thans for reading! May your heart be your guiding key
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