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Final Fantasy XV was never really in development for 10 years

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Before I start I wanna clarify to some bullies around here who sees the title of this thread and make some stupid wild assumption:No I'm not a hater,I actually like FFXV.Okay now that's out of the way............

 

A big misconception that's been going around is that because Versus XIII was announced ten years ago way back in 2006 that means the actual development cycle of the game was truly a decade.

 

At first I used to think that's the case too until I learned more and more about the development process that goes into that type of games and the conclusion is:No,not even close to ten years(Gee,Square Enix announcing games too early?That never happened befoooooooooooore xD)

 

 

Sure it was announced 10 years ago but the actual workload for the game didn't even start until late 2012 to 2013.Not even the 2011 trailer shown at the 1st Production Department Premeire convention that Square held was real especially with how vastly different it looked compared to the 2013 and onward trailers

 

What we saw from 2006 all the way up to 2011 was more or less just CG proof of concept trailers with no tangible showcase of what the plot was supposed to be and the 2011 footage wasn't even from a playable built as we never saw those footage being demoed at any point on an actual Ps3 back when the game was announced for it.

 

In short,what Nomura and the previous team working on the game did between 2006 and 2011 was a complete and utter unpresentable mess that Square,for the longest time,had no idea how to showcase\reveal to the public in a presentable fashion as quite frankly,little to nothing was written for the story beyond designs by Roberto Ferrari for characters like Ardyn who was designed back in 2010 and wouldn't appear until the 2013 rereveal of the game being reworked into FFXV(with the exception of Aranea who did appear in the 2011 trailer with no reveal to her identity or role besides that she's a female dragoon and that's it).

 

 

 

The supposed fanboys of Versus XIII(really how can something that never even existed\materialized had it's own fanbase is beyond me) claim that Tabata supposedly "Ruined Nomura's vision for Versus XIII) and demand a quote unquote "remake for Versus" which baffles the mind to no end.

 

For the past decade or so Nomura was directing not one,not two,not three,not four,but FIVE DIFFERENT KINGDOM HEARTS GAMES:358\2 Days,Birth by Sleep,Coded\Recoded,Dream Drop Distance and Chi\Unchained X.You can't possibly tell me that him working on this never detracted from his work on Versus XIII especially when different staff members were constantly being pulled from it into other projects(without mentioning the people who left Square Enix during that) especially when it was revealed later on that he's also working on KH3 which was revealed in 2013.Not to mention two Dissidia games,The World Ends with You and some other small projects

 

Which brings me to the answer that's more or less obvious by now.But the actual real dev time for Final Fantasy XV was three years which was exactly the period Tabata took over the project as a director.

 

Hajime Tabata never ruined whatever "vision" Nomura had for the game when said vision never materialized to something worth a damn to begin with(At one point in 2013 he meant for the game to be  A FREAKIN MUSICAL). The reason why the game felt rushed and a lot of content was cut out of the final product was because,simply put,the three year development cycle was simply not enough.Throughout the years we've seen constant changes to the gameplay as everything from the 2013 trailer was more or less either gone or changed to something completely different heck even what we played in episode Duscae was completely changed.

 

The state Nomura left the project in was simply put:Hell incarnate.The three year period was just not enough yet Tabata and his new team persevered to put out the game on such a strict time limit because any further delay for the game after the September delay would kill all the hype the game built and would pretty much ruin whatever plan they had for the 30th anniversary in 2017 and FF16.

 

Aside from the general concept and maybe the designs of the pre-2010 cast,Nomura's vision for XV\Versus XIII barely if ever existed so for people to just randomly shit on Hajime Tabata for little to no reason is just preposterous.He did all he can to save this game from being an unpresentable shitfest and there was no way the final product wouldn't suffer from the huge cuts it endured with such a limiting,restrictive development time

 

If anything I personally blame Nomura more than anyone else for what XV suffered and I blame Square Enix in general for never learning their lesson with their bloated and anti-dev stupid Luminous Engine and Crystal Tools Engine that were nightmares to develop for.Sure they produced very visually impressive graphics but everything else from gameplay to story from 2007 onward suffered.That and I also blaming Square for never having a clear idea what to do with Nomura as a director.Never giving the chance for other producers and directors to try and be in charge and instead assigning the same guy to buttload of projects all at once leading to some of them to suffer severely in cost of finishing others.And not to mention their infamous practice of announcing games waaaay too early before they even make an alpha build for any of them

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It's amazing how things can change over the course of a few years, eh? Final Fantasy XV was an amazing game, and my only complaints on the game are that many scenes shown from the time Tabata took over never made it into the game, ya know? Hopefully, the DLC will give us these story bits we didn't see in the core game, and provide more depth, ya know?  But yeah, Tabata did the best that he could for this game. He made an amazing battle system, an amazing world, and a great Final Fantasy overall, backed up by Yoko Shimomura's godly compositions! XV is a great game, even with its flaws! The game was definitely good! :)

 

It's a shame it had to go through this development hell all these years, though! :O

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Nevermind...you might've been right to worry about VII Remake. Nomura has stop with this "I'm very sorry. Please wait a little longer. Please be excited" crap. It's a bad look for the company. Games shouldn't take 5-6 years to release after their announcement. 

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2017/01/final-fantasy-vii-remake-kingdom-hearts-iii-still-ways-off/

That's precisely what I meant by:Don't charge one single director with dozens of projects

 

Considering that KH3 probably started development legitimately in late 2013 after that reveal trailer,most of his efforts will obviously go towards to KH3 which is sure good for KH fans but something else he directs will suffer just as much as XV\Versus XIII did

 

This absurdly long development cycle Square loves to go through is unacceptable especially by modern day game development standards.We're well past the era of waiting half a decade or more just for a video game

 

Just from his statement on this interview I already stopped giving a shit.By the time the 7 remake comes out I might forget what a Square Enix is

Calling it right now,by 2020 when FFVII remake doesn't come out.......a Tabata situation will happen

 

Nomura will be pulled from the directorial role of FFVII remake,the next guy comes in,finds the project being a complete and utter mess.Assembles a team and rework and cut out so many things until they're finally having a release date of 2023 for the game

 

I......................................can we just keep Nomura in his little Kingdom Hearts corner  only?He's obviously not well-equipped for handling modern-day game development

That's precisely what I meant by:Don't charge one single director with dozens of projects

 

Considering that KH3 probably started development legitimately in late 2013 after that reveal trailer,most of his efforts will obviously go towards to KH3 which is sure good for KH fans but something else he directs will suffer just as much as XV\Versus XIII did

 

This absurdly long development cycle Square loves to go through is unacceptable especially by modern day game development standards.We're well past the era of waiting half a decade or more just for a video game

 

Just from his statement on this interview I already stopped giving a shit.By the time the 7 remake comes out I might forget what a Square Enix is

Calling it right now,by 2020 when FFVII remake doesn't come out.......a Tabata situation will happen

 

Nomura will be pulled from the directorial role of FFVII remake,the next guy comes in,finds the project being a complete and utter mess.Assembles a team and rework and cut out so many things until they're finally having a release date of 2023 for the game

 

I......................................can we just keep Nomura in his little Kingdom Hearts corner  only?He's obviously not well-equipped for handling modern-day game development

 

They really should stick Nomura to the KH series, as that's where he's better at. He took too much time on FFXV, and as a result, the story was going under re-write after re-write, and when Tabata took over, they had to get the gme into a working state to release last year, and areas, such as an open-world in Cartanica, a full area with the Shiva statue, and Ardyn's second form were removed. Although, people have managed to glitch out into the open fields of Cartanica, and when they updated the game, roads started appearing on them, they may be working on it but I'm not raising my expectations, although I would like to explore those fields of Cartanica.

That's precisely what I meant by:Don't charge one single director with dozens of projects

 

Considering that KH3 probably started development legitimately in late 2013 after that reveal trailer,most of his efforts will obviously go towards to KH3 which is sure good for KH fans but something else he directs will suffer just as much as XV\Versus XIII did

 

This absurdly long development cycle Square loves to go through is unacceptable especially by modern day game development standards.We're well past the era of waiting half a decade or more just for a video game

 

Just from his statement on this interview I already stopped giving a shit.By the time the 7 remake comes out I might forget what a Square Enix is

Calling it right now,by 2020 when FFVII remake doesn't come out.......a Tabata situation will happen

 

Nomura will be pulled from the directorial role of FFVII remake,the next guy comes in,finds the project being a complete and utter mess.Assembles a team and rework and cut out so many things until they're finally having a release date of 2023 for the game

 

I......................................can we just keep Nomura in his little Kingdom Hearts corner  only?He's obviously not well-equipped for handling modern-day game development

While I won't say Nomura isn't equipped for modern-day gaming (he's actually not released a full game on home console since 2005 so who knows what his capabilities are? lol) I agree that he takes too much time to release games..or perhaps he announces them too early. Anyway, at least he's not rushing his games which is good news...kinda

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While I won't say Nomura isn't equipped for modern-day gaming (he's actually not released a full game on home console since 2005 so who knows what his capabilities are? lol) I agree that he takes too much time to release games..or perhaps he announces them too early. Anyway, at least he's not rushing his games which is good news...kinda

Before KH3 the last big home console game he directed was KH2 and that was two console generations ago.The times have changed and it's no longer 2005 anymore

 

Also not all long dev cycles are good(remember Duke Nukem Forever?) cuz most of the time it either means it's a development hell going on with either no significant amount of progress was made or ending up with a huge mess that they eventually would have no time to clean without cutting so much content

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Can Nomura just step down from 7 remake, then we can bring Hironobu Swaggaguchi back and have the dream team of

Hiroyuki Ito

Yoshnori Kitase

Hironobu Sakaugchi

 

working on 7 remake. I will cry.

I understand this, but the thing I hate was that they pretty much swept FFVSXIII under the carpet and hoped no one would pay attention to it. Also, these entitled fans are complaining that they had to wait five or six years. The people who enjoy "that last guardian" had to wait a whopping 10 years for the game. Why can't people just be patient?

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