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Sora's and Roxas's Dive to the Heart connected to Strelitzia? Ventus's DTTH connected to Lauriam?

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After watching a few KH2 and BBS LPs i've noticed a very small detail that could provide a hint towards Strelitzia's possible return. Well not that as a return so to say, just that she could be connected to Sora in some way. Now if you look closely at Sora's and Roxas's Dive to the Heart (specifically the very end of both of the opening cut scenes) you'll notice a flock of pure white birds flying off in the distance. I believe those birds are doves (correct me if I'm wrong) but you should consider what this could symbolize. Strelitzia means bird of paradise right? Could this show some sort of connection between Strelitzia and Sora? And not only that if you look at Ventus's station of awakening right after Ventus and Vanitas's merged voices say "Open the Door" it's not a flock of birds this time but pure white "flowers" flying in the distance. Could these flowers be referring to Lauriam in some way? And considering how they are "White" and not red, could this symbolize at BBS's point in the timeline Lauriam may possibly have been a good guy at that point? (if he was running about that is). I feel like if the next Union Cross update shows that Lauriam has "White" flowers instead of his red cherry blossoms that there has to be some meaning behind the colors considering red cherry blossom's represent death.

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I'm just saying it now because it needs to be said. Strelitzia is NOT coming back! She is gone! Done! Dead! Finito! I don't understand why there seems to be this denial about what happened in Union Cross even though everyone saw it. It's like people saw it and then said "no that's not what really happened." There is no connection nor any indication that Strelitzia comes back. Barring Nomura deciding to do something on the level of Lauriam and Ventus in the post Keyblade War era long ago, Strelitzia is not coming back and there are NO indications that she will.

I also have a problem with this solely because it's reading into something that from the beginning was NOT planned to be read this way. It's the same thing when people wonder (some of them joke, yes) why Ven's heart wasn't seen when Sora sacrificed himself, or looking for clues for Xion in KH2. There is no way Nomura designed the doves and the white flowers to be related to Lauriam or Strelitzia when those characters weren't even an idea yet. I'm not saying they couldn't be eventually, but people need to put some of these ideas and errors in story into context of when they came out before wondering why some things don't make sense.

 

I love KH and its story, and I have fun piecing together all the convoluted stuff, but this insistence of attributing details that are 10 to 15 years apart together is getting ridiculous. Ven wasn't an idea in KH1, Xion probably wasn't an idea in KH2, Lauriam and Strelitza were without at doubt not an idea in KH1, maybe, MAYBE in BBS.

I also have a problem with this solely because it's reading into something that from the beginning was NOT planned to be read this way. It's the same thing when people wonder (some of them joke, yes) why Ven's heart wasn't seen when Sora sacrificed himself, or looking for clues for Xion in KH2. There is no way Nomura designed the doves and the white flowers to be related to Lauriam or Strelitzia when those characters weren't even an idea yet. I'm not saying they couldn't be eventually, but people need to put some of these ideas and errors in story into context of when they came out before wondering why some things don't make sense.

 

I love KH and its story, and I have fun piecing together all the convoluted stuff, but this insistence of attributing details that are 10 to 15 years apart together is getting ridiculous. Ven wasn't an idea in KH1, Xion probably wasn't an idea in KH2, Lauriam and Strelitza were without at doubt not an idea in KH1, maybe, MAYBE in BBS.

 

I'm aggree with you but... you're wrong. Only in a few part actually. Xion was an idea in KH2FM (there is ONLY ONE cutscene that link with her, but she was an idea, in fact in the same year of the release of KH2FM they announce Days, Coded and BBS) and Ven was an idea in KH1, and what are the evidence? The tutorial voice who speak with Sora in the dive to the heart and who speak with him just before you open the door to the final battle, in fact Sora said that he heard a familiar voice... so in KH1 was already chosen the fact that Sora have another heart apart from Kairi's.

 

 

P.s. sorry for my terrible english...

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I'm just saying it now because it needs to be said. Strelitzia is NOT coming back! She is gone! Done! Dead! Finito! I don't understand why there seems to be this denial about what happened in Union Cross even though everyone saw it. It's like people saw it and then said "no that's not what really happened." There is no connection nor any indication that Strelitzia comes back. Barring Nomura deciding to do something on the level of Lauriam and Ventus in the post Keyblade War era long ago, Strelitzia is not coming back and there are NO indications that she will.

I wasn't saying that she was coming back here but that the possibility is still there. But I mean I just find the fact that Strelitzia gets introduced and 2 weeks later she dies to be a bit unnatural so I just have a gut feeling there's something more to her death than meets the eye. Like you said though she could be dead forever but I'm only saying this from the flower connections to Ventus here which got my brain thinking about the birds flying in Sora's DTTH. If those birds weren't there I wouldn't have suggested this possibility. 

The tutorial voice who speak with Sora in the dive to the heart and who speak with him just before you open the door to the final battle, in fact Sora said that he heard a familiar voice

Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe this was King Mickey speaking to Sora.

 

And which scene did 2FM link to Xion?

I'm just saying it now because it needs to be said. Strelitzia is NOT coming back! She is gone! Done! Dead! Finito! I don't understand why there seems to be this denial about what happened in Union Cross even though everyone saw it. It's like people saw it and then said "no that's not what really happened." There is no connection nor any indication that Strelitzia comes back. Barring Nomura deciding to do something on the level of Lauriam and Ventus in the post Keyblade War era long ago, Strelitzia is not coming back and there are NO indications that she will.

Well, considering that we see her heart flying away and her body disappearing, she didn't die. Rather, the situation would be just like:

  • Master Eraqus before the Land of Departure's destruction.
  • Master Xehanort once he uses Terra as a vessel.
  • Sora after releasing Kairi's heart from within him.
  • That one guy in Traverse Town.
  • Ansem the Wise's apprentices.

In all the cases I mentioned above, somebody lost their heart and their bodies disappeared, just like Strelitzia. So, she's not dead. As stated in the Secret Ansem Reports, losing your heart is not the result of death, nor does it lead to death. The soul leaving the body is the result of death.

 

Quote from Secret Ansem Report 4:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

 

 

Edited by Master Eraqus

Correct me if i'm wrong but I believe this was King Mickey speaking to Sora.

And which scene did 2FM link to Xion?

.-. I don't find a single clue to think that was Mickey .-. How can you say it was Mickey?

 

P.s. it should be the one in Roxas and Axel speak to each other in clocktower

Well, considering that we see her heart flying away and her body disappearing, she didn't die. Rather, the situation would be just like:

 

  • Master Eraqus before the Land of Departure's destruction.
  • Master Xehanort once he uses Terra as a vessel.
  • Sora after releasing Kairi's heart from within him.
  • That one guy in Traverse Town.
  • Ansem the Wise's apprentices.
In all the cases I mentioned above, somebody lost their heart and their bodies disappeared, just like Strelitzia. So, she's not dead. As stated in the Secret Ansem Reports, losing your heart is not the result of death, nor does it lead to death. The soul leaving the body is the result of death.

 

Quote from Secret Ansem Report 4:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.[/size]But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?[/size]When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?[/size]A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.[/size]

 

If that were the case then everyone that fought in the Keyblade War would not be gone and all of those Keyblades would not be in the ground. And yet, there they are as we have seen in KHχ and BbS.

Edited by KingdomHearts3

.-. I don't find a single clue to think that was Mickey .-. How can you say it was Mickey?

 

P.s. it should be the one in Roxas and Axel speak to each other in clocktower

Quote from the KH1 Ultimania:

 

 

 

1) Mysterious Voice

It’s the King calling to Sora here. In the Dive To Heart, the King guides Sora through his dream, explaining the intentions of the adventure.

 

When Sora acquires the Keyblade for the first time after this (p.95) and just before passing through the last door of The End of The World (p.139), Sora hears a voice reverberate in him that sounds like the King’s. It seems so that those around him understand without hearing, the King speaks to Sora’s heart directly

 

 

 

Also, if you're referring to when Axel says, "You, me, her," he was referring to Namine.

 

Axel: "Y'know, I've been thinking about something Namine said. Roxas, are you really sure that you don't have a heart? Is it possible that we all have one? You, me, her? Or is that just wishful thinking?"

 

At this point everyone who knew Xion forgot about her, though the memories of her are not gone for good.

 

If that were the case then everyone that fought in the Keyblade War would not be gone and all of those Keyblades would not be in the ground. And yet, there they are as we have seen in KHχ and BbS.

Except we've already seen a Keyblade left behind after someone disappeared and didn't die:

 

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Edited by Master Eraqus

Quote from the KH1 Ultimania:

 

 

 

1) Mysterious Voice

It’s the King calling to Sora here. In the Dive To Heart, the King guides Sora through his dream, explaining the intentions of the adventure.

When Sora acquires the Keyblade for the first time after this (p.95) and just before passing through the last door of The End of The World (p.139), Sora hears a voice reverberate in him that sounds like the King’s. It seems so that those around him understand without hearing, the King speaks to Sora’s heart directly

 

 

 

Also, if you're referring to when Axel says, "You, me, her," he was referring to Namine.

 

Axel: "Y'know, I've been thinking about something Namine said. Roxas, are you really sure that you don't have a heart? Is it possible that we all have one? You, me, her? Or is that just wishful thinking?"

 

At this point everyone who knew Xion forgot about her, though the memories of her are not gone for good.

 

 

Except we've already seen a Keyblade left behind after someone disappeared and didn't die:

 

SeparateResponsibleGalah-max-1mb.gif

Then according to this logic, those that fought in the Keyblade War didn't die either. Yet those Keyblades have remained there ever since.

.-. I don't find a single clue to think that was Mickey .-. How can you say it was Mickey?

 

P.s. it should be the one in Roxas and Axel speak to each other in clocktower

 

I'm aggree with you but... you're wrong. Only in a few part actually. Xion was an idea in KH2FM (there is ONLY ONE cutscene that link with her, but she was an idea, in fact in the same year of the release of KH2FM they announce Days, Coded and BBS) and Ven was an idea in KH1, and what are the evidence? The tutorial voice who speak with Sora in the dive to the heart and who speak with him just before you open the door to the final battle, in fact Sora said that he heard a familiar voice... so in KH1 was already chosen the fact that Sora have another heart apart from Kairi's.

 

 

P.s. sorry for my terrible english...

The Ven being in KH1 as the voice is a weak argument because Mickey is also a disembodied voice to Riku. And one could argue that Coded proves that it was Mickey during the tutorial dive ("That voice again" he says when Mickey speaks to him in Destiny Islands). What about Xion in KH2? Are you referring to the 1 second of a hooded figure in Roxas' Dive into the Heart segment? That character model is Roxas', implying it's his Shadow, like Sora's in KH1. I'm not trying to pick a fight, and I'm not saying you're wrong or that these won't be true later on, but my point is is that when these scenes were being CREATED, it is unlikely that they were ORIGINALLY planned to foreshadow characters created 8 to 15 years later.

 

Ven, Terra, and Aqua only appeared as I ideas in KH2, not 1. Days was designed to erase Xion from existence to fit with the fact that there is no mention of her in 2. BUT the games Days, BBS, Coded, 3D, 0.2 and Back Cover/X all hints at each other. My point is that we need to stop looking into 1 and 2 for details in relation to Days onward. It's a wild goose chase.

Then according to this logic, those that fought in the Keyblade War didn't die either. Yet those Keyblades have remained there ever since.

Exactly. As shown with Master Eraqus, he didn't die. He disappeared as he was transferring his heart to Terra and he left his Keyblade.

 

During the Keyblade War, we can see countless hearts floating away and the wielders leaving their Keyblades behind.

I'm just saying it now because it needs to be said. Strelitzia is NOT coming back! She is gone! Done! Dead! Finito! I don't understand why there seems to be this denial about what happened in Union Cross even though everyone saw it. It's like people saw it and then said "no that's not what really happened." There is no connection nor any indication that Strelitzia comes back. Barring Nomura deciding to do something on the level of Lauriam and Ventus in the post Keyblade War era long ago, Strelitzia is not coming back and there are NO indications that she will.

One never knows with Nomura, she could come back. I really hope not but Nomura has a track-record of doing dumb shit.

Exactly. As shown with Master Eraqus, he didn't die. He disappeared as he was transferring his heart to Terra and he left his Keyblade.

 

During the Keyblade War, we can see countless hearts floating away and the wielders leaving their Keyblades behind.

 

Not only do we get a sort of 'confirmation' with her heart disappearing like that, but we also see her Chirithy begin to vanish as she's limping out of that warehouse. If the player dies, their Chirithy disappears (or dies as well) and Strel's Chirithy was doing just that before they vanished and her heart floated upwards into the sky. Right now, Nomura is telling us or trying to convince us that she's dead.

If she does end up coming back, I'll be honest, I'll be disappointed because death just doesn't have a bite in this series, but I'll also be a little happy because I bet Strel is a pretty cool and nice character to get to know.

Exactly. As shown with Master Eraqus, he didn't die. He disappeared as he was transferring his heart to Terra and he left his Keyblade.

 

During the Keyblade War, we can see countless hearts floating away and the wielders leaving their Keyblades behind.

Those hearts were floating up to Kingdom Hearts. If then these Keyblade wielders merely disappeared, then where are they now?If those hearts are not with Kingdom Hearts, then where did they go? Oh and baywulf95 said this and I completely forgot about it. Last time I checked, the Chirithy dies when the player either is lost to darkness or is killed.

 

Not only do we get a sort of 'confirmation' with her heart disappearing like that, but we also see her Chirithy begin to vanish as she's limping out of that warehouse. If the player dies, their Chirithy disappears (or dies as well) and Strel's Chirithy was doing just that before they vanished and her heart floated upwards into the sky. Right now, Nomura is telling us or trying to convince us that she's dead.

If she does end up coming back, I'll be honest, I'll be disappointed because death just doesn't have a bite in this series, but I'll also be a little happy because I bet Strel is a pretty cool and nice character to get to know.

Those hearts were floating up to Kingdom Hearts. If then these Keyblade wielders merely disappeared, then where are they now?If those hearts are not with Kingdom Hearts, then where did they go? Oh and baywulf95 said this and I completely forgot about it. Last time I checked, the Chirithy dies when the player either is lost to darkness or is killed.

 

Not only do we get a sort of 'confirmation' with her heart disappearing like that, but we also see her Chirithy begin to vanish as she's limping out of that warehouse. If the player dies, their Chirithy disappears (or dies as well) and Strel's Chirithy was doing just that before they vanished and her heart floated upwards into the sky. Right now, Nomura is telling us or trying to convince us that she's dead.

If she does end up coming back, I'll be honest, I'll be disappointed because death just doesn't have a bite in this series, but I'll also be a little happy because I bet Strel is a pretty cool and nice character to get to know.

 

We don't know where their hearts went. They just drifted away. It's uncertain where they are or what happened to them.

 

On Quest 250, the Chirithies state these:

 

"My wielder disappeared into darkness."

"We have a connection to our Keyblade wielders. If they disappear, so do we."

 

The words "death" or "die" are not stated nor mentioned. Once again, as stated in the Secret Ansem Reports, losing your heart is not the result of death, nor does it lead to death.

 

Quote from Secret Ansem Report 4:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

 

 

 

"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

 

Perish meaning: die, especially in a violent or sudden way.

 

So, when one loses their heart, they do not die. We've seen this multiple times:

  • Sora
  • Kairi
  • The Princesses of Heart
  • Eraqus
  • Xehanort
  • Ansem's apprentices
  • Everyone that has turned into Heartless and Nobodies
  • That one guy in Traverse Town
  • Ventus

All of these people have lost their hearts and never died. And in most cases, when one loses their heart, their body vanishes/dims/fades away, just like Strelitzia.

Edited by Master Eraqus

We don't know where their hearts went. They just drifted away. It's uncertain where they are or what happened to them.

 

On Quest 250, the Chirithies state these:

 

"My wielder disappeared into darkness."

"We have a connection to our Keyblade wielders. If they disappear, so do we."

 

The words "death" or "die" are not stated nor mentioned. Once again, as stated in the Secret Ansem Reports, losing your heart is not the result of death, nor does it lead to death.

 

Quote from Secret Ansem Report 4:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.[/size]But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?[/size]When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?[/size]A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.[/size]

 

 

 

"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

 

Perish meaning: die, especially in a violent or sudden way.[/size]

 

So, when one loses their heart, they do not die. We've seen this multiple times:

 

  • Sora
  • Kairi
  • The Princesses of Heart
  • Eraqus
  • Xehanort
  • Ansem's apprentices
  • Everyone that has turned into Heartless and Nobodies
  • That one guy in Traverse Town
  • Ventus
All of these people have lost their hearts and never died. And in most cases, when one loses their heart, their body vanishes/dims/fades away, just like Strelitzia.

Then explain this cutscene. Is this not what really happened?

This is pretty darn interesting! If this were indeed the case, then this would be an interesting connection! After all, characters in Kingdom Hearts have ways of appearing and vanishing in the strangest of ways! So you may be onto something!

Oh.. I didn't remember at all the fact that Naminé was mentioned... by the way, if it isn't from a interview I CHOOSE of not believe that was Mickey.

Oh.. I didn't remember at all the fact that Naminé was mentioned... by the way, if it isn't from a interview I CHOOSE of not believe that was Mickey.

It's from the KH Ultimania, from Tetsuya Nomura himself. All the Ultimanias feature information from him.

 

Then explain this cutscene. Is this not what really happened?

The light at 0:14 seems to be just light while the blueish-purple lights at 0:17 could be hearts. My apologies, I had forgotten about this scene and we may know where their hearts went.

 

However, either way, that doesn't confirm that they died.

It's from the KH Ultimania, from Tetsuya Nomura himself. All the Ultimanias feature information from him.

 

 

The light at 0:14 seems to be just light while the blueish-purple lights at 0:17 could be hearts. My apologies, I had forgotten about this scene and we may know where their hearts went.

 

However, either way, that doesn't confirm that they died.

Could be? What are they if they aren't? They looked heart shaped to me. Then those Keyblades shouldn't be in the Keyblade Graveyard all these years later. Not just that, but Vanitas was never defeated then and yet, Ven managed to get back a piece of his heart.

 

Okay so let's say you are right and they didn't die. Where did their hearts go if not to Kingdom Hearts? How do they come back?

Edited by KingdomHearts3

Could be? What are they if they aren't? They looked heart shaped to me. Then those Keyblades shouldn't be in the Keyblade Graveyard all these years later. 

Except those Keyblades could stay there for all those years. When Eraqus' heart left his body and his body disappeared, his Keyblade stayed behind.

 

Not just that, but Vanitas was never defeated then and yet, Ven managed to get back a piece of his heart.

What does Vanitas' defeat have to do with this exactly? 

 

Okay so let's say you are right and they didn't die. Where did their hearts go if not to Kingdom Hearts? How do they come back?

I never said that they didn't go to Kingdom Hearts. I had stated that we don't know what happened to their hearts, but at the time, I had forgotten the cutscene you had showed me. Even then, it's hard for me to tell whether those lights slowly floating up are hearts or not, considering they're far away. I'm not saying that they're not going to Kingdom Hearts, I'm saying that I don't know what happened exactly to their hearts or where they went. All I know is that their hearts left their bodies and that means that they didn't die.

 

Secret Ansem Report 4 Quote:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

 

 

 

"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

Edited by Master Eraqus

Except those Keyblades could stay there for all those years. When Eraqus' heart left his body and his body disappeared, his Keyblade stayed behind.

 

What does Vanitas' defeat have to do with this exactly? 

 

I never said that they didn't go to Kingdom Hearts. I had stated that we don't know what happened to their hearts, but at the time, I had forgotten the cutscene you had showed me. Even then, it's hard for me to tell whether those lights slowly floating up are hearts or not, considering they're far away. I'm not saying that they're not going to Kingdom Hearts, I'm saying that I don't know what happened exactly to their hearts or where they went. All I know is that their hearts left their bodies and that means that they didn't die.

 

Secret Ansem Report 4 Quote:

 

 

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

 

 

 

"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

Keyblades eject hearts from the body when they stab someone like when Xehanort stabbed Braig and when Master Xehanort ejected his own heart. Strelitzia was not stabbed though. The sound we heard would have been different if she was. Also, the Keyblade wielders in the KHχ battle scene are swinging their Keyblades, not stabbing, to strike down their opponents.

https://youtu.be/VQflSdqD5XQ?list=PLPCJnwphQDQcJOkD9OsmxxMHX7YHE4WP2&t=68

 

By the way, that "some light" you saw was Kingdom Hearts, or one of them I should say. I believe we last saw it look like that in BbS and there was no dispute there what it was. And so logically, if that was Kingdom Hearts, those lights are hearts because that is what Kingdom Hearts is made of.

Keyblades eject hearts from the body when they stab someone like when Xehanort stabbed Braig and when Master Xehanort ejected his own heart. Strelitzia was not stabbed though. The sound we heard would have been different if she was. Also, the Keyblade wielders in the KHχ battle scene are swinging their Keyblades, not stabbing, to strike down their opponents.

https://youtu.be/VQflSdqD5XQ?list=PLPCJnwphQDQcJOkD9OsmxxMHX7YHE4WP2&t=68

Not all Keyblades eject hearts from bodies. You must be a Keyblade Master to be able to do that, with the only exception being the Keyblade of People's Hearts that Riku-Ansem had in KH1 and that Sora used to release Kairi's heart.

 

Quote from Xehanort Report 9:

 

 

 

We Keyblade Masters have a special gift. We can extract a heart, be it our own or that of another. By continuing this cycle, it is possible to remain in the world of the living forever.

 

 

 

Considering it's a war, there's no doubt that some, if not most, died during the battle. But once again, considering the fact that we see many hearts floating away, there's no doubt that some of them didn't die and that their hearts left their bodies. I'm sorry, but I really feel like you're constantly ignoring this one quote that confirms what I've been stating; a being doesn't die when they lose their hearts. I've posted this I think 4 times up till this point and I have to post it again:

 

Secret Ansem Report 4 Quote:

 

Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?

When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?

A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.

 

​"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

 

Definition of perish: "die, especially in a violent or sudden way."

 

So, if a being does not perish when they lose their hearts, then it means that they don't die.

 

Considering the scene faded away when the attack was struck on Strelitzia, it is hard to tell what happened and a sound effect alone is not gonna confirm what happened exactly.

 

And in that scene you posted, we see a total of 4 Keyblade wielders striking with their Keyblades. Those shots are meant to show these people battling, not killing or releasing hearts, considering that we don't even see who's on the receiving end of each strike or what's happening to them.

 

By the way, that "some light" you saw was Kingdom Hearts, or one of them I should say. I believe we last saw it look like that in BbS and there was no dispute there what it was. And so logically, if that was Kingdom Hearts, those lights are hearts because that is what Kingdom Hearts is made of.

When I mentioned the "some light," I wasn't referring to Kingdom Hearts, y'know, the obvious giant heart in the sky. I was referring to the light appearing in the air once Kingdom Hearts appeared. And once again, as I've stated before, I didn't say that the dark blueish lights that start appearing at 0:17 in the video here aren't hearts:

 

 

I said that considering they're far away, it's hard to tell for me. They probably are, I just don't know for sure. So once again, I didn't say that they aren't hearts, I just said that  I wasn't sure.

Edited by Master Eraqus

Not all Keyblades eject hearts from bodies. You must be a Keyblade Master to be able to do that, with the only exception being the Keyblade of People's Hearts that Riku-Ansem had in KH1 and that Sora used to release Kairi's heart.

 

Quote from Xehanort Report 9:

 

 

 

We Keyblade Masters have a special gift. We can extract a heart, be it our own or that of another. By continuing this cycle, it is possible to remain in the world of the living forever.[/size]

 

 

 

Considering it's a war, there's no doubt that some, if not most, died during the battle. But once again, considering the fact that we see many hearts floating away, there's no doubt that some of them didn't die and that their hearts left their bodies. I'm sorry, but I really feel like you're constantly ignoring this one quote that confirms what I've been stating; a being doesn't die when they lose their hearts. I've posted this I think 4 times up till this point and I have to post it again:

 

Secret Ansem Report 4 Quote:[/size]

 

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Three elements combine to create life: a heart, a soul, and a body.[/size]

But what of the soul and body left behind when the heart is lost?[/size]When the soul leaves the body, its vessel, life gives way to death, but what about when the heart leaves?[/size]A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body. The heart alone disappears into the darkness.[/size]

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​"A being does not perish when its heart leaves its body."

 

Definition of perish: "die, especially in a violent or sudden way."[/size]

 

So, if a being does not perish when they lose their hearts, then it means that they don't die.

 

Considering the scene faded away when the attack was struck on Strelitzia, it is hard to tell what happened and a sound effect alone is not gonna confirm what happened exactly.

 

And in that scene you posted, we see a total of 4 Keyblade wielders striking with their Keyblades. Those shots are meant to show these people battling, not killing or releasing hearts, considering that we don't even see who's on the receiving end of each strike or what's happening to them.

 

 

When I mentioned the "some light," I wasn't referring to Kingdom Hearts, y'know, the obvious giant heart in the sky. I was referring to the light appearing in the air once Kingdom Hearts appeared. And once again, as I've stated before, I didn't say that the dark blueish lights that start appearing at 0:17 in the video here aren't hearts:

 

 

I said that considering they're far away, it's hard to tell for me. They probably are, I just don't know for sure. So once again, I didn't say that they aren't hearts, I just said that  I wasn't sure.

I understand what you're saying. I'll just leave it as we'll agree to disagree.

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